[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Go fuck yourself. I hope your kids get polio.[/quote]
But they probably never will. Why?
Starts with a “V” and ends with “accines”.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Go fuck yourself. I hope your kids get polio.[/quote]
But they probably never will. Why?
Starts with a “V” and ends with “accines”. [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right. The fucking asshole relies on me and everybody else being a responsible parent to protect his fucking kids and then we’re somehow the stupid and irresponsible ones.
Fucking figures.
I really get fuckin’ tired of all the “my rights” bullshit around the US. (Before some idiot opens his mouth - I AM an American, born and raised) What happened to responsibility and the “common good”? I’ve looked at the research and there is no reason to not get your children vaccinated. I’ve yet to meet a practicing physician who didn’t get their children vaccinated.
All you are doing is risking the life of your children and your neighbors children. For what? To “stick it to big pharma”? Please…these shots are dirt cheap compared to real drugs. I just got a flu shot, uninsured, and it cost $26. My sister just started a family a few years ago and the total cost over the first 3 years of vaccinations cost $40 out of pocket and cost her insurance company $400ish. That’s roughly equivalent of a 3 month supply of statin type medication. It’s 1/5 the cost of 1 shot of MS medication. The out of pocket is less then most people here spend on protein per month. Man…I just don’t get this crap.
[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
I really get fuckin’ tired of all the “my rights” bullshit around the US. (Before some idiot opens his mouth - I AM an American, born and raised) What happened to responsibility and the “common good”? I’ve looked at the research and there is no reason to not get your children vaccinated. I’ve yet to meet a practicing physician who didn’t get their children vaccinated.
All you are doing is risking the life of your children and your neighbors children. For what? To “stick it to big pharma”? Please…these shots are dirt cheap compared to real drugs. I just got a flu shot, uninsured, and it cost $26. My sister just started a family a few years ago and the total cost over the first 3 years of vaccinations cost $40 out of pocket and cost her insurance company $400ish. That’s roughly equivalent of a 3 month supply of statin type medication. It’s 1/5 the cost of 1 shot of MS medication. The out of pocket is less then most people here spend on protein per month. Man…I just don’t get this crap. [/quote]
It cost me 24 dollars total to bring a 13 year old up to date on his immunizations with zero health insurance. I drove him down to the health department the day after I took custody. $16 for the first round and $8 for the second round a month or so later.
Cheapest damn health issue I’ve ever encountered in my life.
[quote]otar wrote:
It’s still mercury and it’s too act as a preservative. Some times too much gets used but they recall meat all the time too and I’m sure people still eat meat… In your average vaccine the amount of mercury present is biologically insignificant.
"The main ingredient in most vaccines is the killed or weakened germ (virus or bacterium), which stimulates the immune system to recognize and prevent future disease. Some vaccines also contain extremely small amounts of preservatives or antibiotics to prevent bacterial contamination.
One preservative called thimerosal has received a lot of attention because it contains a trace amount of mercury. The amount of mercury present in thimerosal is minute, does not accumulate in the body and is much less toxic than other forms of mercury."
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/med/misconception-eng.php
From the Canadian government’s health website, an entity that does not stand to gain any profit via the proliferation of vaccines.
And while some vaccines may require a booster they do, in fact, last a life time as that’s the entire basis of vaccination. It’s a small amount of the virus that allows your body to produce antibodies, once your body produces antibodies to something it keeps the ‘blue prints’ for that anti-body on record for a life time so next time it recognizes the pathogen it simply produces more. I suggest you look into a little bit of science before spreading any more false information.[/quote]
By the way, how much mercury is biologically significant? How much aluminum? And how do those values compare between injection versus ingestion? Got some numbers for us? You’re the science guy, right?
Anyway, accusing me of not knowing the science does not give your supposed science any more credence. I will give you credit and stand corrected in that they do think immune memory does seem to last longer than previously thought, although some antibodies longer than others.
[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
I really get fuckin’ tired of all the “my rights” bullshit around the US. (Before some idiot opens his mouth - I AM an American, born and raised) What happened to responsibility and the “common good”? [/quote]
The U.S. Constitution is based on the theory that there is no such thing as common good, only individual good, but that’s a different thread.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Marvel Girl is making a issue and hurting her family relations over nothing. MG, if there’s sick kids keep them away from your kids, if there not sick you’ve got nothing to worry about. Vaccine or no vaccine. You’re being stupid. The kind of attitude you have is more likely to get you divorced and raise uptight & hateful children than it to protect your kids from disease.
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Thanks for illustrating exactly what irritates me about anti-vaccine freaks on edge. You expect people to respect the choices you make for your children but when I make a different decision for MY children, I’m just a stupid bitch whose husband and children hate me.
Never mind that my husband completely agreed with me or that my kid is now 10 years old and I’m still happily married. Never mind that one of these shitbag parents ended up dropping their unvaccinated kid off on my door step five years later cuz they didn’t “feel like” parenting again. Nope, never mind all that. I’m obviously destined for divorce and my kid along with the formerly unvaccinated kid that I’ve been raising as my own all these years will definitely hate me someday. Right.
Go fuck yourself. I hope your kids get polio.[/quote]
It’s not your choice to vaccinate that I don’t respect, it’s that you’re so quick to hate and desire to impose your beliefs on others that I don’t respect. I wasn’t saying your kids would hate you, I was saying that you are teaching them to hate people who have differing opinions. Also, I wasn’t speaking in absolutes. Your children won’t necessarily be haters just because you are and your marriage doesn’t have to end because you bad mouth the inlaws. In general though, those acts make it more likely.
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]
More spreading of the fear for the big Pharma. Small Pox is such a miniscule threat there’s no way a vaccine would be worth the risk of an adverse reaction. I think it’s one in a million deaths due to that vaccine, that’s very high for a zero risk disease. I have no idea what the rate of adverse reactions that aren’t death but I bet they are high.
I think the risk of Shingles is higher in those who have been immunized but I admit my memory is sketchy on that. I may be remembering speculation and there’s just not enough data yet. However, if one catches Chicken Pox later in life because they failed to get their booster (which I’m sure will be the rule not the exception), how is that 1st time infection at the age of 50 going to go for them?
I’d like to see what you’ve got about the Alzheimers 'cause I haven’t heard of any proven direct links aside from genetics.
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For someone who is making health decisions on behalf of your kids, you sure do have a lot of “I have no idea” and “I think…but my memory is sketchy” going on.
Care to provide any data to back what you are saying? How about you show how immunizing someone against the virus that causes shingles…increases your risk of getting shingles later.
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I post from work when I get a few minutes here & there. I don’t have time to go and dig up exact numbers. If your interested I’ll be glad to help you get started. Go to the CDC web site and find the neat little vaccination table they have on there. You can count up exactly how many vaccinations they recommend by what ages. It takes a little interpretation. You have to decide if you’re going to count the MMR as 1 or 3, or count the boosters as additional etc. You can probably also find somewhere on the net how many people get paid compensation by the CDC over adverse reactions to vaccines. The CDC has a fund set up for such pay outs. I’m sure you can also find some kind of numbers for the incidence of death due to the Small Pox vaccine. You won’t find exact numbers on that because it was so long ago used. A few years ago when Bush got the vaccine they said on the news it was one in a million.
Regarding the Shingles, the vaccine isn’t 100 percent so people still get infected with Varicella. Thus they can get shingles later. Or, they can get CP later in life which might be even worse than Shingles.
Oh and LMFAO at you people who thing those of us who don’t vaccinate, don’t vaccinate to save a buck. That’s probably a tip off to what’s important to you.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]
More spreading of the fear for the big Pharma. Small Pox is such a miniscule threat there’s no way a vaccine would be worth the risk of an adverse reaction. I think it’s one in a million deaths due to that vaccine, that’s very high for a zero risk disease. I have no idea what the rate of adverse reactions that aren’t death but I bet they are high.
I think the risk of Shingles is higher in those who have been immunized but I admit my memory is sketchy on that. I may be remembering speculation and there’s just not enough data yet. However, if one catches Chicken Pox later in life because they failed to get their booster (which I’m sure will be the rule not the exception), how is that 1st time infection at the age of 50 going to go for them?
I’d like to see what you’ve got about the Alzheimers 'cause I haven’t heard of any proven direct links aside from genetics.
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For someone who is making health decisions on behalf of your kids, you sure do have a lot of “I have no idea” and “I think…but my memory is sketchy” going on.
Care to provide any data to back what you are saying? How about you show how immunizing someone against the virus that causes shingles…increases your risk of getting shingles later.
[/quote]
I post from work when I get a few minutes here & there. I don’t have time to go and dig up exact numbers. If your interested I’ll be glad to help you get started. Go to the CDC web site and find the neat little vaccination table they have on there. You can count up exactly how many vaccinations they recommend by what ages. It takes a little interpretation. You have to decide if you’re going to count the MMR as 1 or 3, or count the boosters as additional etc. You can probably also find somewhere on the net how many people get paid compensation by the CDC over adverse reactions to vaccines. The CDC has a fund set up for such pay outs. I’m sure you can also find some kind of numbers for the incidence of death due to the Small Pox vaccine. You won’t find exact numbers on that because it was so long ago used. A few years ago when Bush got the vaccine they said on the news it was one in a million.
Regarding the Shingles, the vaccine isn’t 100 percent so people still get infected with Varicella. Thus they can get shingles later. Or, they can get CP later in life which might be even worse than Shingles.
Oh and LMFAO at you people who thing those of us who don’t vaccinate, don’t vaccinate to save a buck. That’s probably a tip off to what’s important to you.[/quote]
I don’t need help interpreting the CDC guidelines - I have done it for patients. My point was that you are making decisions without having a full understanding of the issue. I would normally say “to each his own,” but your kids deserve decisions based on facts. You obviously have an opinion of vaccines and use whatever logic and faulty data you can to rationalize that opinion. That isn’t how decisions that impact your kids’ health should be made. The data should guide that decision. What you wrote about “following the money” shows exactly how little you know about the issue. Many pediatric offices lose money or barely break even on vaccines.
It’s amazing how so many people who have no idea what they are talking about decide to play doctor. Your kids deserve better.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
As was Thorsen who has churned out a fair amount of pro-vaccination literature, recently indicted in Atlanta for fraud. So it happens on both sides. Though I agree the autism link is tenuous currently.
Then again so was the smoking-lung cancer link 30 years ago.
[quote]Theface wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
As was Thorsen who has churned out a fair amount of pro-vaccination literature, recently indicted in Atlanta for fraud. So it happens on both sides. Though I agree the autism link is tenuous currently.
Then again so was the smoking-lung cancer link 30 years ago.
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Cant argue that good point.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
Isn’t he a descendant of that guy who tried to get all his colleagues to wash their hands? LOL
In all seriousness, when I researched all this, years ago, I didn’t see a link to autism. It is clear though, some people are harmed by vaccines. That being a fact, I’m dismayed by all the people who militantly want to impose vaccines on others. In reflection, I do cut Mrs. Jewbacca some slack since she comes from a culture where, for her peoples survival, the government needs to be militant in nature.[/quote]
Yes there are going to be a very small % of people harmed by vaccines, however how many more are harmed by not taking them? When risking the life of a love one I will that the one with the 99% chance of protecting them from possible death or impairment.
Just a question but what did you research? New England Journal of medicine or something propagated by media? In all fairness drug companies also put out false press, however we have a government watch dog that WILL shut down bad meds and false press.
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]engerland66 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]
More spreading of the fear for the big Pharma. Small Pox is such a miniscule threat there’s no way a vaccine would be worth the risk of an adverse reaction. I think it’s one in a million deaths due to that vaccine, that’s very high for a zero risk disease. I have no idea what the rate of adverse reactions that aren’t death but I bet they are high.
I think the risk of Shingles is higher in those who have been immunized but I admit my memory is sketchy on that. I may be remembering speculation and there’s just not enough data yet. However, if one catches Chicken Pox later in life because they failed to get their booster (which I’m sure will be the rule not the exception), how is that 1st time infection at the age of 50 going to go for them?
I’d like to see what you’ve got about the Alzheimers 'cause I haven’t heard of any proven direct links aside from genetics.
[/quote]
For someone who is making health decisions on behalf of your kids, you sure do have a lot of “I have no idea” and “I think…but my memory is sketchy” going on.
Care to provide any data to back what you are saying? How about you show how immunizing someone against the virus that causes shingles…increases your risk of getting shingles later.
[/quote]
I post from work when I get a few minutes here & there. I don’t have time to go and dig up exact numbers. If your interested I’ll be glad to help you get started. Go to the CDC web site and find the neat little vaccination table they have on there. You can count up exactly how many vaccinations they recommend by what ages. It takes a little interpretation. You have to decide if you’re going to count the MMR as 1 or 3, or count the boosters as additional etc. You can probably also find somewhere on the net how many people get paid compensation by the CDC over adverse reactions to vaccines. The CDC has a fund set up for such pay outs. I’m sure you can also find some kind of numbers for the incidence of death due to the Small Pox vaccine. You won’t find exact numbers on that because it was so long ago used. A few years ago when Bush got the vaccine they said on the news it was one in a million.
Regarding the Shingles, the vaccine isn’t 100 percent so people still get infected with Varicella. Thus they can get shingles later. Or, they can get CP later in life which might be even worse than Shingles.
Oh and LMFAO at you people who thing those of us who don’t vaccinate, don’t vaccinate to save a buck. That’s probably a tip off to what’s important to you.[/quote]
I don’t need help interpreting the CDC guidelines - I have done it for patients. My point was that you are making decisions without having a full understanding of the issue. I would normally say “to each his own,” but your kids deserve decisions based on facts. You obviously have an opinion of vaccines and use whatever logic and faulty data you can to rationalize that opinion. That isn’t how decisions that impact your kids’ health should be made. The data should guide that decision. What you wrote about “following the money” shows exactly how little you know about the issue. Many pediatric offices lose money or barely break even on vaccines.
It’s amazing how so many people who have no idea what they are talking about decide to play doctor. Your kids deserve better.[/quote]
Dude, you are laughable. Most people don’t look into it at all they just do what the pediatrician recommends. It should be clear to you I have.
Show me my bad logic and faulty data. Show me where I’ve been wrong about something. You’re just name calling at this point. If you can’t do better than that, you’re the crack pot not me. Show me “the data”.
Who the hell has a full understanding of the issues? This shit is way too complex and there is too much that just simply can’t be known. Nobody has a full understanding of this issue. I have already demonstrated in this thread that I’m not a victim of faulty data. I said I didn’t buy into the link between vaccine and autism. Do you know why I didn’t buy into it? Because it would be easy to link. There’s a substantial vaccinated population and a substantial non vaccinated population and so far (or at least as of 3-5 years ago when I researched) nobodies shown that vaccinated populations have a higher rate of autism. If I was rationalizing my opinion I would be on that bandwagon too.
While your at it, tell me what pediatric offices have to do with big pharma. Sounds like you are squirming around trying to rationalize your opinion. I said big pharma making money and you come back with pediatric offices breaking even. Weak.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
Isn’t he a descendant of that guy who tried to get all his colleagues to wash their hands? LOL
In all seriousness, when I researched all this, years ago, I didn’t see a link to autism. It is clear though, some people are harmed by vaccines. That being a fact, I’m dismayed by all the people who militantly want to impose vaccines on others. In reflection, I do cut Mrs. Jewbacca some slack since she comes from a culture where, for her peoples survival, the government needs to be militant in nature.[/quote]
Yes there are going to be a very small % of people harmed by vaccines, however how many more are harmed by not taking them? When risking the life of a love one I will that the one with the 99% chance of protecting them from possible death or impairment.
Just a question but what did you research? New England Journal of medicine or something propagated by media? In all fairness drug companies also put out false press, however we have a government watch dog that WILL shut down bad meds and false press.[/quote]
That’s great but too late for the people who get the bad product before it gets pulled. Sometimes they don’t even pull them after they learn there is a problem. One of those childhood vaccines used to have egg protein in it. When they realized the problem they changed the formula but they kept using up the old product already in circulation. This is a fact (other guy, feel free to check it out). My oldest son who has asthma and eczema and is allergic to cats, dogs, milk AND EGGS would have gotten that shot. I checked it out, it was still in use in our area.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
Isn’t he a descendant of that guy who tried to get all his colleagues to wash their hands? LOL
In all seriousness, when I researched all this, years ago, I didn’t see a link to autism. It is clear though, some people are harmed by vaccines. That being a fact, I’m dismayed by all the people who militantly want to impose vaccines on others. In reflection, I do cut Mrs. Jewbacca some slack since she comes from a culture where, for her peoples survival, the government needs to be militant in nature.[/quote]
Yes there are going to be a very small % of people harmed by vaccines, however how many more are harmed by not taking them? When risking the life of a love one I will that the one with the 99% chance of protecting them from possible death or impairment.
Just a question but what did you research? New England Journal of medicine or something propagated by media? In all fairness drug companies also put out false press, however we have a government watch dog that WILL shut down bad meds and false press.[/quote]
That’s great but too late for the people who get the bad product before it gets pulled. Sometimes they don’t even pull them after they learn there is a problem. One of those childhood vaccines used to have egg protein in it. When they realized the problem they changed the formula but they kept using up the old product already in circulation. This is a fact (other guy, feel free to check it out). My oldest son who has asthma and eczema and is allergic to cats, dogs, milk AND EGGS would have gotten that shot. I checked it out, it was still in use in our area.
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You are correct about to late for the ones who got the product however most Flu vaccines are made with “eggs” however you are explained this prior to the shot. Because they have no alternative way to harvest the vaccine at this time. So of course this would make your child exempt from this vaccine. Not arguing with you like politics people can be set in there ways, however to demonize public health officials who are trying to prevent pandemics is not an appropriate pathway. IMO
An interesting thread. I must admit, I don’t recall ever meeting someone who wouldn’t get vaccinated or get their kid vaccinated in the real world, so it has been interesting to read.
On Edge, may I ask, you seem to believe their is a link between big pharma and the CDC, correct? Do you believe that link extends to all the other countries’ government agencies as well? Do you generally distrust the scientific consensus or is it just on this issue?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
An interesting thread. I must admit, I don’t recall ever meeting someone who wouldn’t get vaccinated or get their kid vaccinated in the real world, so it has been interesting to read.
On Edge, may I ask, you seem to believe their is a link between big pharma and the CDC, correct? Do you believe that link extends to all the other countries’ government agencies as well? Do you generally distrust the scientific consensus or is it just on this issue? [/quote]
There’s definately a link between big pharma and the CDC. Big pharma lobbies the US government hard. I’m pretty sure big pharma and medical devise makers provide most if not all the continuing education for doctors (DJ?). They fund research studies. I’d be surprised if they don’t fund medical schools in various ways.
I don’t know how big their influence is in other countries. I think it’s safe to say, the bigger the market, the more effort they will make to do whatever they can. “Whatever they can” will be different with each country.
It sounds like you’re on to me with the last question. I mostly trust scientific consensus but have a hard time where the drug companies are involved. I think they have been given the ability to set the standards very much like the banking system has been allowed to self regulate.
By the way, I own Astrazeneca, Glaxo Smith Klein and two small cap drug companies. I usually own Abbot Labs but sold it a month ago and will probably buy it back soon. If you would like to make (me) lots of money, I recommend everyone buy tons of PDLI and CRME. Buy as much as you can, buy on margin, get all your friends and family buying. Get your grandmother buying. I, I mean you won’t regret it.
I sincerely hope you all do go out and buy those stocks and it’s a good example of how quickly principles go out the window when money can be made.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
An interesting thread. I must admit, I don’t recall ever meeting someone who wouldn’t get vaccinated or get their kid vaccinated in the real world, so it has been interesting to read.
On Edge, may I ask, you seem to believe their is a link between big pharma and the CDC, correct? Do you believe that link extends to all the other countries’ government agencies as well? Do you generally distrust the scientific consensus or is it just on this issue? [/quote]
There’s definately a link between big pharma and the CDC. Big pharma lobbies the US government hard. I’m pretty sure big pharma and medical devise makers provide most if not all the continuing education for doctors (DJ?). They fund research studies. I’d be surprised if they don’t fund medical schools in various ways.
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I had this long typed out response and questions Edge, but I have to much work today. So all I will say is good luck and God speed.
The issue is not freedom, but truth.
So, with standard 3-point seat belts, they are proven very effective at reducing injuries in crashes, so yes they should be required.
Whereas with vaccines, the evidence proves they are not safe and not effective. Unfortunately, medicine is not only a business, it’s also a business that’s filled with “true believers.”
[quote]yorik wrote:
I love the idea of vaccines. It’s a brilliant idea.
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This is the exact opposite of the truth. Injecting mercury, formaldehyde, partially de-composed organic matter (from a chicken? From something else? We don’t know - that’s “proprietary”) and who-knows-what-else directly into your bloodstream - thereby bypassing ALL of your body’s filtering and defense mechanisms - is insane. The government forcing it on everyone is evil.
[quote]Theface wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
As was Thorsen who has churned out a fair amount of pro-vaccination literature, recently indicted in Atlanta for fraud. So it happens on both sides. Though I agree the autism link is tenuous currently.
Then again so was the smoking-lung cancer link 30 years ago.
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I would. The problem with the smoking and lung cancer link is that you cannot ethically use experimental methods to prove it. There will always be the question “are people who are predisposed to lung cancer also predisposed to smoking?” and we cannot take a random sample of people who do not smoke, force them to smoke, and see if they end up with higher lung cancer rates than the rest of the population.
Nevertheless, population data pointed directly at smoking as a factor in lung-cancer. We do not have a parallel in the vaccine-autism debate.