What if their children want to dance in DC?
Shouldn’t the government intervene then as well?
[quote]on edge wrote:
This is really my point that I was only able to hint at this morning due to time. So many of the vaccines they want you to get are so completely unjustifiable it’s clearly a money making machine so they loose all good faith on my part. If I remember right, it’s something like 32 vaccines the CDC recommends for children by the age of something like 2 years old.
There probably are vaccines that we should get for our children, like Meningitis off the top of my head, but I’m so put off by the corporate mission, how am I supposed to trust they’ve done their due diligence and done everything they can to protect our children. I’ve read unopposed statements that there’s all kinds of shit in those vaccines like mercury, lead and formaldehyde.
I have 3 kids and none of them have had any vaccines. My oldest has pretty bad eczema and my wife and I read that kids with eczema get much worse Chicken Pox. Our son goes through enough dealing with itching so we recently decided we will get him the vaccine. The reason I’m telling this is just so you know I’m not a complete whack job who’s against vaccines at all cost. I also think vaccines overall have been a great benefit to society. The problem is its become a business and no longer for our well being.
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I love the idea of vaccines. It’s a brilliant idea. I hate the idea of the crap adjuvants they put in them to make them supposedly better but in fact just increase the profit margin. It used to be mercury, now it’s aluminum. Do you want your kid injected with aluminum? Fuck that.
BTW, vaccines are only good for about 7 years. They do not last a lifetime, contrary to popular belief.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]limburg wrote:
This is like the seat-belt issue. Why should I HAVE to wear a seat belt in a car? There was one person who was cut in half by their seatbelt. I’m more safe without it. I tend to believe the THOUSANDS whose lives were saved by seatbelts. Plus, unbelted passangers in an accident cause more fatal injuries to other passangers.
Very similar to vaccinations. I’ll take the risk of infection or side affects over small pox, or rubella. Plus, when those that don’t get vaccinated, carry around the virus, they can keep it.[/quote]
The last laugh goes to that kid though, because when he’s 75 he’s a lot less likely to get Shingles which is a much more severe disease.[/quote]
I got shingles when i was 29, worst fucking thing ever. I had chicken pox when i was 13.
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
This is really my point that I was only able to hint at this morning due to time. So many of the vaccines they want you to get are so completely unjustifiable it’s clearly a money making machine so they loose all good faith on my part. If I remember right, it’s something like 32 vaccines the CDC recommends for children by the age of something like 2 years old.
There probably are vaccines that we should get for our children, like Meningitis off the top of my head, but I’m so put off by the corporate mission, how am I supposed to trust they’ve done their due diligence and done everything they can to protect our children. I’ve read unopposed statements that there’s all kinds of shit in those vaccines like mercury, lead and formaldehyde.
I have 3 kids and none of them have had any vaccines. My oldest has pretty bad eczema and my wife and I read that kids with eczema get much worse Chicken Pox. Our son goes through enough dealing with itching so we recently decided we will get him the vaccine. The reason I’m telling this is just so you know I’m not a complete whack job who’s against vaccines at all cost. I also think vaccines overall have been a great benefit to society. The problem is its become a business and no longer for our well being.
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I love the idea of vaccines. It’s a brilliant idea. I hate the idea of the crap adjuvants they put in them to make them supposedly better but in fact just increase the profit margin. It used to be mercury, now it’s aluminum. Do you want your kid injected with aluminum? Fuck that.
BTW, vaccines are only good for about 7 years. They do not last a lifetime, contrary to popular belief.
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It’s still mercury and it’s too act as a preservative. Some times too much gets used but they recall meat all the time too and I’m sure people still eat meat… In your average vaccine the amount of mercury present is biologically insignificant.
"The main ingredient in most vaccines is the killed or weakened germ (virus or bacterium), which stimulates the immune system to recognize and prevent future disease. Some vaccines also contain extremely small amounts of preservatives or antibiotics to prevent bacterial contamination.
One preservative called thimerosal has received a lot of attention because it contains a trace amount of mercury. The amount of mercury present in thimerosal is minute, does not accumulate in the body and is much less toxic than other forms of mercury."
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/med/misconception-eng.php
From the Canadian government’s health website, an entity that does not stand to gain any profit via the proliferation of vaccines.
And while some vaccines may require a booster they do, in fact, last a life time as that’s the entire basis of vaccination. It’s a small amount of the virus that allows your body to produce antibodies, once your body produces antibodies to something it keeps the ‘blue prints’ for that anti-body on record for a life time so next time it recognizes the pathogen it simply produces more. I suggest you look into a little bit of science before spreading any more false information.
I try to mind my own business when it comes to other people’s kids but there is one thing that annoys me about SOME parents who choose not to vaccinate.
When I had my son, I didn’t want my husband’s family members’ unvaccinated kids around my baby. I was surprised when they were offended by that. Mostly because they had always used the argument that it wasn’t a public safety issue because other kids were protected by their vaccinations. Well, babies don’t get immunized at birth.
It just irritated me. I still get a little shit about it now and then but I didn’t want to take any chances. I had the measles as a baby because my parents let a friend who “wasn’t feeling well” hold me. He didn’t find out he had measles until a couple days later and I ended up hospitalized. No, I don’t remember it obviously but my mom has told me how terrifying it was. No way was I going to risk it with my kid.
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And while some vaccines may require a booster they do, in fact, last a life time as that’s the entire basis of vaccination. It’s a small amount of the virus that allows your body to produce antibodies, once your body produces antibodies to something it keeps the ‘blue prints’ for that anti-body on record for a life time so next time it recognizes the pathogen it simply produces more. I suggest you look into a little bit of science before spreading any more false information.[/quote]
Then why is there a booster!?!?!?! If it lasted for your life time you would not need a booster!
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
This is really my point that I was only able to hint at this morning due to time. So many of the vaccines they want you to get are so completely unjustifiable it’s clearly a money making machine so they loose all good faith on my part. If I remember right, it’s something like 32 vaccines the CDC recommends for children by the age of something like 2 years old.
There probably are vaccines that we should get for our children, like Meningitis off the top of my head, but I’m so put off by the corporate mission, how am I supposed to trust they’ve done their due diligence and done everything they can to protect our children. I’ve read unopposed statements that there’s all kinds of shit in those vaccines like mercury, lead and formaldehyde.
I have 3 kids and none of them have had any vaccines. My oldest has pretty bad eczema and my wife and I read that kids with eczema get much worse Chicken Pox. Our son goes through enough dealing with itching so we recently decided we will get him the vaccine. The reason I’m telling this is just so you know I’m not a complete whack job who’s against vaccines at all cost. I also think vaccines overall have been a great benefit to society. The problem is its become a business and no longer for our well being.
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I love the idea of vaccines. It’s a brilliant idea. I hate the idea of the crap adjuvants they put in them to make them supposedly better but in fact just increase the profit margin. It used to be mercury, now it’s aluminum. Do you want your kid injected with aluminum? Fuck that.
BTW, vaccines are only good for about 7 years. They do not last a lifetime, contrary to popular belief.
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Depends on the vaccine, really. Some are lifetime. Some are as short as a couple months.
RE: alumnium; you get more drinking a can of coke.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
I try to mind my own business when it comes to other people’s kids but there is one thing that annoys me about SOME parents who choose not to vaccinate.
When I had my son, I didn’t want my husband’s family members’ unvaccinated kids around my baby. I was surprised when they were offended by that. Mostly because they had always used the argument that it wasn’t a public safety issue because other kids were protected by their vaccinations. Well, babies don’t get immunized at birth.
It just irritated me. I still get a little shit about it now and then but I didn’t want to take any chances. I had the measles as a baby because my parents let a friend who “wasn’t feeling well” hold me. He didn’t find out he had measles until a couple days later and I ended up hospitalized. No, I don’t remember it obviously but my mom has told me how terrifying it was. No way was I going to risk it with my kid.[/quote]
As noted upthread, even once your children are vaccinated, you should avoid them, in that they do not have “herd immunity” — a concept descriped upthread.
Treat them for what they are: irresponsible and stupid.
[quote]limburg wrote:
[quote]
And while some vaccines may require a booster they do, in fact, last a life time as that’s the entire basis of vaccination. It’s a small amount of the virus that allows your body to produce antibodies, once your body produces antibodies to something it keeps the ‘blue prints’ for that anti-body on record for a life time so next time it recognizes the pathogen it simply produces more. I suggest you look into a little bit of science before spreading any more false information.[/quote]
Then why is there a booster!?!?!?! If it lasted for your life time you would not need a booster![/quote]
Depends on the vaccine and how robust and immediate an immune response is needed.
[quote]limburg wrote:
[quote]
And while some vaccines may require a booster they do, in fact, last a life time as that’s the entire basis of vaccination. It’s a small amount of the virus that allows your body to produce antibodies, once your body produces antibodies to something it keeps the ‘blue prints’ for that anti-body on record for a life time so next time it recognizes the pathogen it simply produces more. I suggest you look into a little bit of science before spreading any more false information.[/quote]
Then why is there a booster!?!?!?! If it lasted for your life time you would not need a booster![/quote]
You are always better off having had a vaccine that is not up to date than never having it at all, the booster is to up your free antibody count basically to make it more effective.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
I try to mind my own business when it comes to other people’s kids but there is one thing that annoys me about SOME parents who choose not to vaccinate.
When I had my son, I didn’t want my husband’s family members’ unvaccinated kids around my baby. I was surprised when they were offended by that. Mostly because they had always used the argument that it wasn’t a public safety issue because other kids were protected by their vaccinations. Well, babies don’t get immunized at birth.
It just irritated me. I still get a little shit about it now and then but I didn’t want to take any chances. I had the measles as a baby because my parents let a friend who “wasn’t feeling well” hold me. He didn’t find out he had measles until a couple days later and I ended up hospitalized. No, I don’t remember it obviously but my mom has told me how terrifying it was. No way was I going to risk it with my kid.[/quote]
As noted upthread, even once your children are vaccinated, you should avoid them, in that they do not have “herd immunity” — a concept descriped upthread.
Treat them for what they are: irresponsible and stupid.[/quote]
Speaking of stupid & irresponsible, you’re a doctor and you’re spreading this kind of hysterical crap around? Unvaccinated kids are not diseased and spreading disease and to be shunned like leppars. At the very highest they might be 1 in 100 thousandth more likely to spread a disease and that’s being generous on my part. Remember the example I gave earlier about kids vaccinated against Varicella? They catch mild cases of Chicken Pox that goes unnoticed by their parents or the schools.
Marvel Girl is making a issue and hurting her family relations over nothing. MG, if there’s sick kids keep them away from your kids, if there not sick you’ve got nothing to worry about. Vaccine or no vaccine. You’re being stupid. The kind of attitude you have is more likely to get you divorced and raise uptight & hateful children than it to protect your kids from disease.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
This is really my point that I was only able to hint at this morning due to time. So many of the vaccines they want you to get are so completely unjustifiable it’s clearly a money making machine so they loose all good faith on my part. If I remember right, it’s something like 32 vaccines the CDC recommends for children by the age of something like 2 years old.
There probably are vaccines that we should get for our children, like Meningitis off the top of my head, but I’m so put off by the corporate mission, how am I supposed to trust they’ve done their due diligence and done everything they can to protect our children. I’ve read unopposed statements that there’s all kinds of shit in those vaccines like mercury, lead and formaldehyde.
I have 3 kids and none of them have had any vaccines. My oldest has pretty bad eczema and my wife and I read that kids with eczema get much worse Chicken Pox. Our son goes through enough dealing with itching so we recently decided we will get him the vaccine. The reason I’m telling this is just so you know I’m not a complete whack job who’s against vaccines at all cost. I also think vaccines overall have been a great benefit to society. The problem is its become a business and no longer for our well being.
[/quote]
I love the idea of vaccines. It’s a brilliant idea. I hate the idea of the crap adjuvants they put in them to make them supposedly better but in fact just increase the profit margin. It used to be mercury, now it’s aluminum. Do you want your kid injected with aluminum? Fuck that.
BTW, vaccines are only good for about 7 years. They do not last a lifetime, contrary to popular belief.
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Depends on the vaccine, really. Some are lifetime. Some are as short as a couple months.
RE: alumnium; you get more drinking a can of coke.[/quote]
Great. What about all the other crap in them?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]
More spreading of the fear for the big Pharma. Small Pox is such a miniscule threat there’s no way a vaccine would be worth the risk of an adverse reaction. I think it’s one in a million deaths due to that vaccine, that’s very high for a zero risk disease. I have no idea what the rate of adverse reactions that aren’t death but I bet they are high.
I think the risk of Shingles is higher in those who have been immunized but I admit my memory is sketchy on that. I may be remembering speculation and there’s just not enough data yet. However, if one catches Chicken Pox later in life because they failed to get their booster (which I’m sure will be the rule not the exception), how is that 1st time infection at the age of 50 going to go for them?
I’d like to see what you’ve got about the Alzheimers 'cause I haven’t heard of any proven direct links aside from genetics.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Small Pox is extinct. [/quote]
Is it? Smallpox can be easily manufactured from old, dormant samples, and I don’t mean clinical test samples. I mean from cadavers, artifacts, etc. So, even if Smallpox is not a current threat, it can easily become one in the future.
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The last laugh goes to that kid though, because when he’s 75 he’s a lot less likely to get Shingles which is a much more severe disease.[/quote]
Incorrect. If you haven’t had Chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. Once you have had CP, the virus remains dormant in your body. For most adults, it stays that way, but for an unlucky few, it re-awakens in the form of shingles. This is why you cannot catch shingles from someone else, but a person who has not had CP can get them from someone with shingles.
DB
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Small Pox is extinct. [/quote]
Is it? Smallpox can be easily manufactured from old, dormant samples, and I don’t mean clinical test samples. I mean from cadavers, artifacts, etc. So, even if Smallpox is not a current threat, it can easily become one in the future.
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The last laugh goes to that kid though, because when he’s 75 he’s a lot less likely to get Shingles which is a much more severe disease.[/quote]
Incorrect. If you haven’t had Chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. Once you have had CP, the virus remains dormant in your body. For most adults, it stays that way, but for an unlucky few, it re-awakens in the form of shingles. This is why you cannot catch shingles from someone else, but a person who has not had CP can get them from someone with shingles.
DB[/quote]
I addressed both these points (even though indirectly) sufficiently above.
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Dont know if this will link correctly however shows the source of the Autism and vaccination hysteria. Cliff notes the “Dr.” who started this was actually stripped of his license and had legal action of fraud. [/quote]
Isn’t he a descendant of that guy who tried to get all his colleagues to wash their hands? LOL
In all seriousness, when I researched all this, years ago, I didn’t see a link to autism. It is clear though, some people are harmed by vaccines. That being a fact, I’m dismayed by all the people who militantly want to impose vaccines on others. In reflection, I do cut Mrs. Jewbacca some slack since she comes from a culture where, for her peoples survival, the government needs to be militant in nature.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
If the vaccines work as advertised, my not being vaccinated poses no threat to the rest of society.[/quote]
Incorrect. Vaccines do not work 100% of the time, more like 75-95% of the time.
The least understood benefit of vaccines is they create “herd immunity” — that is, a sufficient percentage of the population is immune, so that any outbreak is limited because there are not enough vectors (infectable people) to cause on outbreak.
Idiots who avoid vaccinations (should they become sufficiently numerous) put the greater population at risk for this reason — damage herd immunity.
FWIW, anyone who thinks smallpox, polio, and all the other nasties in this world are “dead” are living in fantasy land. They’re alive in animal vectors (or labs in certain countries that should make you worry) waiting to come out again into the human population, just like they did before.
Also, the virus in chickenpox is directly linked to alzheimers and an infection causes shingles later (not the other way around). It’s hardly harmless.
— Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]
More spreading of the fear for the big Pharma. Small Pox is such a miniscule threat there’s no way a vaccine would be worth the risk of an adverse reaction. I think it’s one in a million deaths due to that vaccine, that’s very high for a zero risk disease. I have no idea what the rate of adverse reactions that aren’t death but I bet they are high.
I think the risk of Shingles is higher in those who have been immunized but I admit my memory is sketchy on that. I may be remembering speculation and there’s just not enough data yet. However, if one catches Chicken Pox later in life because they failed to get their booster (which I’m sure will be the rule not the exception), how is that 1st time infection at the age of 50 going to go for them?
I’d like to see what you’ve got about the Alzheimers 'cause I haven’t heard of any proven direct links aside from genetics.
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For someone who is making health decisions on behalf of your kids, you sure do have a lot of “I have no idea” and “I think…but my memory is sketchy” going on.
Care to provide any data to back what you are saying? How about you show how immunizing someone against the virus that causes shingles…increases your risk of getting shingles later.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Marvel Girl is making a issue and hurting her family relations over nothing. MG, if there’s sick kids keep them away from your kids, if there not sick you’ve got nothing to worry about. Vaccine or no vaccine. You’re being stupid. The kind of attitude you have is more likely to get you divorced and raise uptight & hateful children than it to protect your kids from disease.
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Thanks for illustrating exactly what irritates me about anti-vaccine freaks on edge. You expect people to respect the choices you make for your children but when I make a different decision for MY children, I’m just a stupid bitch whose husband and children hate me.
Never mind that my husband completely agreed with me or that my kid is now 10 years old and I’m still happily married. Never mind that one of these shitbag parents ended up dropping their unvaccinated kid off on my door step five years later cuz they didn’t “feel like” parenting again. Nope, never mind all that. I’m obviously destined for divorce and my kid along with the formerly unvaccinated kid that I’ve been raising as my own all these years will definitely hate me someday. Right.
Go fuck yourself. I hope your kids get polio.