[quote]Sloth wrote:
At least down here in Florida we stop to rescue people trapped in vehicular accidents. Just today this guy was rescued with the help of a guy named George Zimmer…WAIT!! WHAT?! Strange days.
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
LOL. Strange Days indeed![/quote]
Apparently it was a family of four. Two children and their parents.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
At least down here in Florida we stop to rescue people trapped in vehicular accidents. Just today this guy was rescued with the help of a guy named George Zimmer…WAIT!! WHAT?! Strange days.
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
LOL. Strange Days indeed![/quote]
Apparently it was a family of four. Two children and their parents.
Very strange days.
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This is like putting salt in a wound.
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I’m going to go ahead and assume this was only his Hispanic side helping people. If He’d tried to run them over, then he’d be white again.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
At least down here in Florida we stop to rescue people trapped in vehicular accidents. Just today this guy was rescued with the help of a guy named George Zimmer…WAIT!! WHAT?! Strange days.
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.
LOL. Strange Days indeed![/quote]
Apparently it was a family of four. Two children and their parents.
Very strange days.
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This is like putting salt in a wound.
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I’m going to go ahead and assume this was only his Hispanic side helping people. If He’d tried to run them over, then he’d be white again.[/quote]
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I really think If George were to come to my neighborhood and shoot a 15 year old , I don’t care what his defense is , he will hang[/quote]
And I think this is the solution. Everybody whining about this with no regards to the facts at all, wanting to change laws that had nothing to do with the incident and insisting on the government to commit double-jeopardy should grow a pair, get together an ol’ fasion lynch mob and go kill George Zimmerman. If you think he deserves to die, go kill him and let his blood be on your hands then.
Rather than cluttering up the streets with protests that have nothing to do with the actual case, race, STG laws, etc. Go get Zimmerman and deliver justice yourself.
I would have no issue with you lot doing that.[/quote]
Why do you suppose George would hang in my neighborhood ? I will give you some facts .about Scottsdale AZ, two points 1, Probably the Whitest Large city in America , 2, Medium household income $92,000 .
We have the Best Prosecutors money can buy and The population is politically astute
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Just saying, if you think the man should hang, go hang him.
I prosecutor who wanted this guy to serve time, would not have charged him with murder 2, there was no way to get him on that.[/quote]
I am not sure , IMO things would be less angry if Zimmerman got some time . I personally can not see anything but Zimmerman willfully killing Martin . I could not say premeditation but willfully for sure .
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Had they gone for assault with deadly weapon, he would have gotten time. But everybody wanted blood for blood. They wanted a murder charge and that’s what they got, even though there was no way in hell to convict him of that.
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In my opinion the jury could decide , best, what he was guilty of
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They cannot charge him, they can only decide if he is guilty of the charges against him beyond the shadow of a doubt…
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not sure but the way I understand it , If Trayvon would have been an adult , he would have been justified in killing Zimmerman . [/quote]
No, he would have been charged with murder since he is the aggressor towards Zimmerman.
Wasn’t used. So, he’s boycotting a law that wasn’t used. Sounds dumb.
Plus, African Americans in Florida disproportionately benefit from Stand Your Ground.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not sure but the way I understand it , If Trayvon would have been an adult , he would have been justified in killing Zimmerman . [/quote]
No, he would have been charged with murder since he is the aggressor towards Zimmerman.
Wasn’t used. So, he’s boycotting a law that wasn’t used. Sounds dumb.
Plus, African Americans in Florida disproportionately benefit from Stand Your Ground.[/quote]
Brother Chris, all of us individuals that actually watched the trial really like your post, and we agree. The people protesting did not watch so they do not know the truth.
I will never understand how this was turned into a white on black racial case. A multicultural, multiracial/ethnic, bilingual, self-identifying Hispanic Democrat becomes the brown face of white racism. I mean, if a university was putting together a diversity and minority outreach program, Zimmerman’s photo and family back ground would be featured in the recruitment pamphlets. This guy, Zimmerman, looks more ‘brown’ than Cain “Brown Pride” Velasquez…George “White Pride” Zimmerman? Really? He’s “diversity” personified.
I will never understand why people continue to talk about this case and Stand Your Ground together. It wasn’t a SYG defense.
I’m tired of everyone pretending that white on black homicides are what needs to end in order for black youth to make it into their 30’s.
Inter-racial homicide is pretty damn uncommon across the board. Even so, 8% of all homicides are black on white. Only 4% are white on black…
But, nationally, blacks make up half of homicide victims and offenders with only 13-14% of the population. Having the highest level of intra-racial homicides.
Stevie doesn’t like Florida? Good. He and the rests of the racial agitators, race pimps and hustlers, should consider marching and protesting on NYC. Oh no, right, a black life only has value in the rare instance when a white man takes it. Or hell, if you don’t have a white man, shoe horn in a multiracial Hispanic.
You want to save black lives? Look in a mirror.
I’m over people pretending they gave a crap that a young black kid died. They cared more about the thrill of the activist spirit. Of being part of something. And just the fact that Zimmerman wasn’t black himself gave them all the excuse to get a big touchy feely movement going. I’m over it.[/quote]
I agree the issue is more broad than Racial . But I believe Racism is rampant in America both from Black as well as White . I also think if Trayvon would have been a son of a welthy black person the case could have turned out different .
The way I understand the law is that you do not have to invoke it, it is the LAW
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The way I understand the law is that you do not have to invoke it, it is the LAW
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Then you do not understand the LAW. In the state of Florida there has to be a hearing for SYG to be admitted into the case. Zimmerman only claimed self defense not SYG. If he would have claimed SYG he would have lost.
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Do you live in FLA.? and where did you get your info
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I have family who live in Florida. Did you even watch the trial? They talked about this endlessly. SYG in the State of Texas is pretty much the same thing. There was a guy here in Texas that went down the street to confront his neighbors who were having a loud party. He showed the gun and told the people to quite down because he had called the police. The guys surrounded the guy with the gun and he shot one of them and killed them. The jury found he instigated the fight and the SYG law was not able to be used and found him guilty of murder.
George Zimmerman did not do the exact same thing, but the SYG would not have been the way to go. Zimmerman’s defense team did the correct thing, and we now know why he used self defense.[/quote]
I was in a Government office that had the trial on , I watched about an hour of Defense’s closing Argument
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The way I understand the FLA law is that you are under no obligation to retreat . Go pick a fight , get your ass kicked , kill the person you picked a fight with so they do not kill you . [/quote]
No. You obviously do not understand SYG. SYG is an extension of the Castle Doctrine. In some states, you have to retreat first when someone breaks into your house and is threatening your person. Basically you have to escape your own house and call 911, you can’t pull out a gun to chase them away. Castle Doctrine says you don’t have to do no such thing, if someone breaks into your house you can pull out the carbine and start firing away.
SYG says even outside your house you do not first have to retreat. There still has to be the presence of danger to your life or damage to your person.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not sure but the way I understand it , If Trayvon would have been an adult , he would have been justified in killing Zimmerman .
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Nope, because Trayvon punched first.
False. A minor cannot buy a firearm (until 18 at least in normal states), but a father or mother can give their own child a firearm.
My adoptive dad gave me my first rifle (a Ruger 10/22) when was 8 years old.[/quote]
Yeah you had a limited ownership at best . Ownership gives you the right to possess , sell or anything else you want to do with it. I can speak first handed I bought and sold several guns while I was a minor . I owned those guns , but if I would have gotten in trouble with one of those guns I would have seen the extent of the law
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The way I understand the FLA law is that you are under no obligation to retreat . Go pick a fight , get your ass kicked , kill the person you picked a fight with so they do not kill you . [/quote]
You can’t punch first and rely on the SYG defense.[/quote]
You can lie about it , especially if you kill the only remaining witness. Zimmerman pursued Martin , Martin Kicked Zimmerman’s ass and rather than run like he would have , had he no gun , he shot Martin. Zimmerman was the Aggressor , the Pursuer [/quote]
No, Martin was the aggressor since he was on top of him beating his skull into the concrete.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The jury did not have all options available , I doubt the jury thought he should skate , I am guessing that they acted with in their initial instructions . They might have all thought he were guilty of man slaughter , I don’t know any more than you . But I do know Zimmerman Zimmerman Pursued Martin ,Zimmerman Caught him ,Zimmerman preceded to get his ass kicked , and rather than run he shot Martin. Why ? Because he had a gun. Martin did nothing wrong , no law broken , all he did was defend himself . Period [/quote]
They found him innocent of manslaughter…did you watch any of the trial?
Zimmerman followed him in to the dark , some how Martin got behind him , Sounds like an ambush ? Zimmerman was the aggressor cut and dried . These are Zimmerman’s own words . My facts are spot on [/quote]
Zimmerman said that Zimmerman was the aggressor? I don’t think so.
Zimmerman followed him in to the dark , some how Martin got behind him , Sounds like an ambush ? Zimmerman was the aggressor cut and dried . These are Zimmerman’s own words . My facts are spot on [/quote]
Your “facts” are speculation.
You have chosen to disbelieve George, despite his taking a lie detetector, every other part of his story checking out, and no evidence to the contrary.[/quote]
All I am doing is telling Zimmerman’s story verbatim [/quote]
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my mind there is not a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman Pursued , Caught , Got his ass kicked and shot and killed Martin because he was afraid Martin could kill him
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I’m sure, but since these are not based on facts and evidence in a court of law it is called speculation.