Stevie Wonder Boycotts Florida

[quote]beachguy498 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

You all know damned well if Martin were your son, you would see it differently. [/quote]

My son would not have gone to the store during the rain to get candy and a bottle of iced tea. He would have been home. And if he was he would have run straight home and told me about it. Not take measures into his own hands. There is a time to fight and a time to run. If you know nothing about a person you run. You only fight when you are cornered and have no alternative.
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I think GZ confronted the kid, the kid took an attitude and GZ went for his gun, so the kid had to do something. What else would you think? He sure as shit wasn’t a cop.

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This is speculation though, there is no evidence to prove this.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IT is so simple , Zimmerman hunted Martin , Caught him, Got his ass whipped the Shot his quarry. It does not get any simpler [/quote]

Except that’s not what happened.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Wasn’t used. So, he’s boycotting a law that wasn’t used. Sounds dumb.

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Look who you’re responding to in this post ^ and then let me ask you, “What did you expect?”
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Yeah, I didn’t realize this was 8 pages in and every post is speculation on his part. I mean his extent of knowledge on the case is an article and watching the trial for an hour.

I however had the privilege of watching the entire case as I laid sick on my back in the hospital.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sorry Brother Chris but I can not help my self.

Mods can you change this thread name to Brother Chris replies to all…[/quote]

Lol. Sorry, I can’t help myself when someone is so wrong.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In my opinion the jury could decide , best, what he was guilty of
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So you believe the jury should not only decide guilt vs. innocence, but charges as well? Does that also mean a jury would be needed to decide whether or not to issue a warrant in the first place? Do you believe a warrant should just be an open-ended document which allows someone to be arrested for a charge yet to be decided?

Interesting. So in your ideal world, maybe someone who’s been arrested because he had a dime bag in his pocket could be detained indefinitely because the state needs more time to determine what charge/s to actually place? After all, you’re in favor of a jury deciding on the charge, and to do so a jury would need all possible evidence, right? Hell, would there even be a need for an original charge, or could the almighty government just assume someone is guilty of breaking at least one of its mountains of laws and place him or her in jail while it gathers evidence?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I will also go farther out on the limb and say because of the drug war we have about %70 too many cases in our Judicial system let alone the Jail system. And we have to rethink our Jury system . We ask people that serve on a Jury to foot the bill ( mean ,miss their pay check ) with the exception of a miniscule amount . Tax payers should pay the Jurors pay while they are deciding the case . We could get some intelligent people if they did that [/quote]

Excellent idea. So Bill Gates could serve on the jury for a trial equal in length to O.J. Simpson’s and the taxpayers would have to pay him approximately $2,680,000,000? Seems like a small price to pay because George Zimmerman was found not guilty.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I really think If George were to come to my neighborhood and shoot a 15 year old , I don’t care what his defense is , he will hang[/quote]

And I think this is the solution. Everybody whining about this with no regards to the facts at all, wanting to change laws that had nothing to do with the incident and insisting on the government to commit double-jeopardy should grow a pair, get together an ol’ fasion lynch mob and go kill George Zimmerman. If you think he deserves to die, go kill him and let his blood be on your hands then.
Rather than cluttering up the streets with protests that have nothing to do with the actual case, race, STG laws, etc. Go get Zimmerman and deliver justice yourself.
I would have no issue with you lot doing that.[/quote]

Why do you suppose George would hang in my neighborhood ? I will give you some facts .about Scottsdale AZ, two points 1, Probably the Whitest Large city in America , 2, Medium household income $92,000 .

We have the Best Prosecutors money can buy and The population is politically astute
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Just saying, if you think the man should hang, go hang him.

I prosecutor who wanted this guy to serve time, would not have charged him with murder 2, there was no way to get him on that.[/quote]

I am not sure , IMO things would be less angry if Zimmerman got some time . I personally can not see anything but Zimmerman willfully killing Martin . I could not say premeditation but willfully for sure .
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Had they gone for assault with deadly weapon, he would have gotten time. But everybody wanted blood for blood. They wanted a murder charge and that’s what they got, even though there was no way in hell to convict him of that.
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In my opinion the jury could decide , best, what he was guilty of
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All a jury knows is what they learned on CSI and Law and Order. A jury can not know what to bring as a charge without the Prosecution make a case for a particular crime.

I will kind of agree with you on the mandatory minimum sentences, but there should be some that have minimums. Like child rapists and murderers.[/quote]

I know of more than one instance where a person commits a crime , gets arrested , goes to court and is found guilty . Then the Jury finds out they will spend years in Jail for a minor offense . Justice can not be cookie cut

Add Kanye West and Jay Z to the list of people publically boycotting Fl over stand your ground law.

Add me to the list of people now happier to be living in Florida.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know of more than one instance where a person commits a crime , gets arrested , goes to court and is found guilty . Then the Jury finds out they will spend years in Jail for a minor offense . Justice can not be cookie cut
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If someone is guilty, then they’re guilty. The jury should not decide that based on whether it feels the punishment is excessive. The problem is the law. Real crimes don’t have excessive punishments.

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know of more than one instance where a person commits a crime , gets arrested , goes to court and is found guilty . Then the Jury finds out they will spend years in Jail for a minor offense . Justice can not be cookie cut
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If someone is guilty, then they’re guilty. The jury should not decide that based on whether it feels the punishment is excessive. The problem is the law. Real crimes don’t have excessive punishments.[/quote]

I personally disagree , If I sat on your jury for spitting on the sidewalk and the punishment for such a infraction was death , I would vote not guilty even if I saw you do it. Maybe it is not supposed to be that way but it is an unintended consequence .

I personally would not be a good jury member , because I have seen the maljustice in America

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I personally disagree , If I sat on your jury for spitting on the sidewalk and the punishment for such a infraction was death , I would vote not guilty even if I saw you do it. Maybe it is not supposed to be that way but it is an unintended consequence .

I personally would not be a good jury member , because I have seen the maljustice in America
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Then your problem is with the government’s punishment or law itself. I absolutely believe there are excessive and unequal punishments given out in America. This is one reason I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty.

[quote]Severiano wrote:

There is a difference in perception. I look at what Zimmerman did as harassment, as the only thing Martin was doing was heading home. That is enough to warrant suspicion, it was enough to warrant both a call, and a response from the police. IMO there is a clear difference between peering into windows and scoping houses, and walking home. There is also a difference between dealing with someone with training, has the confidence and know how to deal with people. If you greet people, let them know of your presence and what you are doing whether they are up to no good, or just walking home, that’s one thing. Did Zimmerman even let Martin know he’s neighborhood watch before following him? “Hi, I’m Andrew, I head up neighborhood watch, can I help you with anything?” Vs. seeing a back person, not saying a word to them, getting on the phone and calling the police and then following them.

Do any of you know what half of the concept/ point of security is? Well, since the majority of you have no military, or guard, or security experience, it’s your job to primarily be a deterrent in most circumstances unless you are guarding a VIP or dignitary. Generally, you want to make your presence known, and put the people you are protecting at ease. You do this by letting people know who you are, what you do, why you are doing it.

If you heard that cops were called on your child while walking home and they weren’t even spoken to, how would that make you feel compared to if the same guy walked up to your child, let your child know they were neighborhood watch, then offered to walk them home? What Zimmerman should have done was inform Martin of who he was, what he was doing, and then offered to walk him home. As someone who would be doing security/ or captain of the neighborhood watch or whatever, if you are into security, especially your own neighborhood, you want to establish good relations with the families and children you are supposed to be protecting. Not lumping all blacks in as criminals and suspicious, especially when a good portion of people in your neighborhood are black! I’d expect the same from someone who spends their time at KKK rallies.

Zimmerman was either more interested in flexing his muscles, or completely lacked the concept and training of what a neighborhood watch person should be/do. The problem with a lot of people who carry around weapons is, that weapon tends to be their first resort, and only power. These sorts of people are pussies, their balls are attached to their weapons.

If you lack training, the ability to handle someone around your size or smaller (who themselves don’t have training) then why the hell would you be in that line of work? If your first resort is the same as your last, why wouldn’t you want to just let people know your an overweight VAG, and just have your weapon unconcealed? If people know you are armed they avoid altercation?

If you lived in a neighborhood where there were murders, burglaries, etc… And you saw a stranger make a phone call, then start following you to your home without so much as a word, what are you going to think? You might think you are about to get robbed, or mugged, or jumped. Would you want to lead such a party to your home? It’s more understandable that you might imagine or find yourself in altercation in this situation now, isn’t it?

This is why I say Zimmerman, under his capacity as a neighborhood watch/ security person harassed Martin by not declaring who he was, his intentions, his duties… I’m saying simple communication/ rudimentary training and maybe Martin would be alive.

The way I see this is the same way I see the way TSA uses their authority… Grounds of suspicion are ungrounded, completely ambiguous. The problem imo arises from how we define our terms… What is: suspicious? What is it specifically in that situation?
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It’s a shame that 3 days later, this thoughtful, respectful, well reasoned and thoroughly considered post has not been responded to in favor of childish attacks and “corn baiting”. LOL obviously nothing has changed since I realized how much of my life I was wasting arguing with these dunces.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sorry Brother Chris but I can not help my self.

Mods can you change this thread name to Brother Chris replies to all…[/quote]

Lol. Sorry, I can’t help myself when someone is so wrong.[/quote]

just razing you man. I know it is hard to hold back sometimes when such ignorance is spouted.

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I personally disagree , If I sat on your jury for spitting on the sidewalk and the punishment for such a infraction was death , I would vote not guilty even if I saw you do it. Maybe it is not supposed to be that way but it is an unintended consequence .

I personally would not be a good jury member , because I have seen the maljustice in America
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Then your problem is with the government’s punishment or law itself. I absolutely believe there are excessive and unequal punishments given out in America. This is one reason I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty. [/quote]

Jury Nullification.

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Add Kanye West and Jay Z to the list of people publically boycotting Fl over stand your ground law.

Add me to the list of people now happier to be living in Florida. [/quote]

Are people not going to start going to Illinois because Obama passed Stand Your Ground there?

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sorry Brother Chris but I can not help my self.

Mods can you change this thread name to Brother Chris replies to all…[/quote]

Lol. Sorry, I can’t help myself when someone is so wrong.[/quote]

just razing you man. I know it is hard to hold back sometimes when such ignorance is spouted.[/quote]

How have you been, saw a picture of you and was mind blown…specially since I had a mental picture of someone 6 footish skinny and young. Come to find out you’re a full grown man with a great head of hair.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Sorry Brother Chris but I can not help my self.

Mods can you change this thread name to Brother Chris replies to all…[/quote]

Lol. Sorry, I can’t help myself when someone is so wrong.[/quote]

just razing you man. I know it is hard to hold back sometimes when such ignorance is spouted.[/quote]

How have you been, saw a picture of you and was mind blown…specially since I had a mental picture of someone 6 footish skinny and young. Come to find out you’re a full grown man with a great head of hair.[/quote]

lol. Been good. Need to drop some weight though. I have been that big for a good time now, and it is time to hit the cardio more than the weights.