Sorry, but I think we need to rename this award…
What does the MVP award stand for, anyway?
Taken literally, the most valuable player is probably the player whose removal from their team would result in an exponential decrease in the success of that team. Or, perhaps more literally, the most valuable player could be the player who gives their team “the most bang for their buck” (financial sense of value).
I don’t know…while Nash is an excellent player and had an excellent season on a great team, I don’t know if he’s MVP.
I think the question for many is still…if you got to pick first for a pick up game, who would you pick?
When your choices are:
Duncan
ONeil
Bryant
Iverson
Garnett
McGrady
A. Stoudamire
L. James
Wade
Nowitzki
or
Nash…
I think Nash is on the bottom half of that list…
something around a 40 game win difference this year with the adding of Nash kind of solidified the case. He might lack some defense but at the same time he led the league in assists, something around 11.5 a game. People would say oh but he has Stoudamire with him, its not like Dwayne Wade’s a nobody without Shaq either, Duncan was hurt alot this year and Ginobili is playing the best ball of his life. I think it was the right choice.
[quote]fusion360 wrote:
something around a 40 game win difference this year with the adding of Nash kind of solidified the case. [/quote]
Good argument – what a huge swing (+33 games vs. the Heat’s +17). But (devil’s advocate arrives) is he the only one responsible? Stoudamire has stepped up big time (perhaps a tribute to Nash), Q Rich came on board, and isn’t their coaching staff new?
But I agree, Nash does deserve much of this credit, especially considering the turn for the worse when he was injured.
So I guess Nash does fit the first definition of an MVP that I threw out…but there is just something counter-intuitive about Steve Nash as the league’s MVP…Stockton never won it, even when he was dropping almost 13 dimes and they were winning 60 games…?
When your choices are:
Duncan
ONeil
Bryant
Iverson
Garnett
McGrady
A. Stoudamire
L. James
Wade
Nowitzki
or
Nash…
How could you leave Ray Allen off this list?Especially with half of the cats on it.I’m kind of partial to Sea-town cause I’m from WA,but still! Not even on the list.We wouldn’t even be in the playoffs if it weren’t for Ray Ray,let alone the second round.
The list wasn’t meant to be exhaustive
[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
I don’t know…while Nash is an excellent player and had an excellent season on a great team, I don’t know if he’s MVP.
I think the question for many is still…if you got to pick first for a pick up game, who would you pick?
When your choices are:
Duncan
ONeil
Bryant
Iverson
Garnett
McGrady
A. Stoudamire
L. James
Wade
Nowitzki
or
Nash…
I think Nash is on the bottom half of that list…[/quote]
I think I’d pick every guy on that list you gave before taking Nash. That is, I’d take them before him if I were to start a franchise. But in any given year, anyone can have the best year/be most valuable. And this year, I have NO problem w/ Nash as the MVP, I think he deserves it.
And I see your point that it’s strange that Nash won the award, but Stockton never did. However, there was a guy by the name of Michael Jordan in the league the same time as Stock.
Later,
Danny
P.S. nice finish last night Bulls…WTF!
[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
So I guess Nash does fit the first definition of an MVP that I threw out…but there is just something counter-intuitive about Steve Nash as the league’s MVP…Stockton never won it, even when he was dropping almost 13 dimes and they were winning 60 games…?[/quote]
Stoudamire is no Karl Malone. I wouldn’t even call Q a Jeff Hornacek for that matter. Plus you’re also talking about the Jordan era, where they were looking for someone other then him to win it every year, and its tough to win when you aern’t the best player on your team. (some could even argue that Nash isn’t).
I gotta go with Kobe.
After all, look at what he acheived this year:
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Ran one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game out of town.
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Ran O’Neill out of town.
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Tattled on Karl Malone and ran him out of town.
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Got off on a rape charge.
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Lead his team to its worst season in recent history.
Oh, wait. This is for the person who helped his team the most.
Nevermind.
As a Piston fan who has watched the last 5 Detroit-Philly play-off game, I can confidently say that the 76ers couldn’t beat the Houston Comets without Allen Iverson. In my eyes, no one is more valuable to their team than he is.
[quote]Bulldawgcountry wrote:
As a Piston fan who has watched the last 5 Detroit-Philly play-off game, I can confidently say that the 76ers couldn’t beat the Houston Comets without Allen Iverson. In my eyes, no one is more valuable to their team than he is.[/quote]
Philly has some up and coming young talent. True, AI had a great year and is VERY valuable to his team, but I think ur not giving some of his 'mates credit…a lot of talent there.
Danny
Tim Duncan, and KG comes in at second.
Even though he can be a defensive liability, I think this was a good choice. Yes, other guys on the team had great seasons, but look at their numbers in the games Nash missed, it’s almost night and day. No one else made that much of a difference for their teammates, so taking him off the team would make a huge difference.
[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Taken literally, the most valuable player is probably the player whose removal from their team would result in an exponential decrease in the success of that team. [/quote]
Can’t you just calculate most valuable by looking at their contracts.
[quote]Bulldawgcountry wrote:
As a Piston fan who has watched the last 5 Detroit-Philly play-off game, I can confidently say that the 76ers couldn’t beat the Houston Comets without Allen Iverson. In my eyes, no one is more valuable to their team than he is.[/quote]
The 76rs allow AI to be the man, and now can’t get anyone of value to play with him. Heck, in the NBA, if you have the ball inyour hands half the game you should rack up stats. AI is the anti MVP, yah he gets 25 ppg, but it takes him a Dominique like 30 shots to achieve that.
As for their overall lack of talent, which makes him look even better, again blame him and the owners for getting themselves into this mess.
Pickin up a team, at least 10 guards befor AI that I want–maybe more.
[quote]Dboy wrote:
And I see your point that it’s strange that Nash won the award, but Stockton never did. However, there was a guy by the name of Michael Jordan in the league the same time as Stock.
P.S. nice finish last night Bulls…WTF!
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True, MJ held center stage in the 90’s, but K. Malone won the MVP twice…who gave him the ball?
Re: Bulls…Chandler…What was dude thinking? The game was most likely already lost, but why on earth would you shoot a 2 when it wouldn’t matter at all? It would have been wiser to allow the clock to expire as he was running back to reach the 3 point line…but they’re a young squad, and B. Gordon will be amazing in this league (that last game not withstanding!)
[quote]Bulldawgcountry wrote:
As a Piston fan who has watched the last 5 Detroit-Philly play-off game, I can confidently say that the 76ers couldn’t beat the Houston Comets without Allen Iverson. In my eyes, no one is more valuable to their team than he is.[/quote]
I think the problem with AI is that he can’t do it by himself, and he seems to have trouble making his teammates better…I don’t think he’ll ever win a championship
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
Tim Duncan, and KG comes in at second.[/quote]
It would be criminal to award KG the MVP as the leader of that horrendous team.
The minimum prerequisite for the award should be a successful team season.
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Right Side Up wrote:
Taken literally, the most valuable player is probably the player whose removal from their team would result in an exponential decrease in the success of that team.
SheekLouche wrote:
Can’t you just calculate most valuable by looking at their contracts.[/quote]
I think this is what I was alluding to in the initial post, when I wrote:
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Or, perhaps more literally, the most valuable player could be the player who gives their team “the most bang for their buck” (financial sense of value)[/quote]
But the problem then becomes what stats do you measure the dollars they earn against?
[quote]mls jr. wrote:
How could you leave Ray Allen off this list?Especially with half of the cats on it.I’m kind of partial to Sea-town cause I’m from WA,but still! Not even on the list.We wouldn’t even be in the playoffs if it weren’t for Ray Ray,let alone the second round.
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Ray looked damn good against Duncan tonight, right?
HA Ha ha Ha Ha