Steve Jobs Dead

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Who the fuck cares? All he made were products that eased the speed at which we bury our heads in the sand and ignore Real Life. I’m so sick of looking at teenagers walk into my classroom with their heads buried in an iWhatever who have never heard of Libya, couldn’t find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map and have no fucking clue who the 2nd President of this country was. Fuck Steve Jobs. Thanks for your contributions to the dumbing down and rampant materialism going on in this country you fucking asshole. Burn in hell.[/quote]

I thought it smelled a bit douchey in here.[/quote]

This post shouldn’t surprise anyone who checks GAL regularly, the guy is anti-technology and new-age knowledge in general. Don’t have to go further than the MLB thread where you can read his opinions on instant replay and Sabremetrics.

I honestly think he’s really just intimidated by things he doesn’t understand, in this case technology. I mean, is there any other poster on this site other than DB who doesn’t know how to use quote function after 2+ years on this site? He doesn’t actually wish for Steve Jobs to burn in hell, his post is just a front for his inadequacies, in this case understanding basic technology and being a shitty teacher.

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looks like we’ll never get the iphone5 now

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I’m dead serious. Look, I get it. He was an innovator and perhaps it’s in poor taste for me to slam his vapid accomplishments so soon after his death. But my point still stands. I’m sure Jobs used his wealth to help a lot of people and all that, but what has anything he has created really done for any of us? Has the iPod helped anyone here become a better person? Has the iPad directly done one single thing to erase poverty in this country, or any other country? When was the last time your iPhone helped put food in the stomach of a hungry single mother? And before people start spouting off about his philanthropy I remind you of the parable about the rich guy making a show of his donations to the church in the front row and the poor woman in the back who gives one coin a week, the only coin she has.

And before anyone accuses me of unjustifiably getting on my high horse, I really DO help with this sort of thing, okay? So I my stance isn’t one of hypocrisy. I volunteer at soup kitchens, I donate my time on the weekends and once a week in the evenings taking care of a 90 year-old woman because no one else will, I volunteer time as a mentor to young teenaged foster children, I’ve practically taken a vow of poverty to work as a teacher in a public school. And it isn’t because I want summers off. And I know a lot of people who do more than I do with less resources and time. And it’s people like THOSE people and not Steve Jobs who are the innovators and the geniuses and the people who have shaped this country. THOSE people are actually doing something to improve the lives of others, not Steve Jobs. I know I’m not the only one on here who thinks there is a serious problem with this country and personally, I think Steve Jobs is at least indirectly responsible. His products are all designed to placate ME, to make MY life easier. Nothing he used his innovation and genius for was designed to encourage me to help others, only to reinforce my selfish need for creature comfort. I think one could make the argument that no one in the last 50-60 years has done more to advance Americans’ total obsession with themselves than Jobs.

So when the Pantheon for Great Americans is built one day, Jobs doesn’t belong in it. All this canonizing of him and his “accomplishments” speaks volumes about the type of people we value in this country.[/quote]

Surgeons have been using his iPad and iPod as a tool in the operating room while performing surgery.

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An Apple a day…keeps a CEO away? =(

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Who the fuck cares? All he made were products that eased the speed at which we bury our heads in the sand and ignore Real Life. I’m so sick of looking at teenagers walk into my classroom with their heads buried in an iWhatever who have never heard of Libya, couldn’t find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map and have no fucking clue who the 2nd President of this country was. Fuck Steve Jobs. Thanks for your contributions to the dumbing down and rampant materialism going on in this country you fucking asshole. Burn in hell.[/quote]

I thought it smelled a bit douchey in here.[/quote]

This post shouldn’t surprise anyone who checks GAL regularly, the guy is anti-technology and new-age knowledge in general. Don’t have to go further than the MLB thread where you can read his opinions on instant replay and Sabremetrics.

I honestly think he’s really just intimidated by things he doesn’t understand, in this case technology. I mean, is there any other poster on this site other than DB who doesn’t know how to use quote function after 2+ years on this site? He doesn’t actually wish for Steve Jobs to burn in hell, his post is just a front for his inadequacies, in this case understanding basic technology and being a shitty teacher.

[/quote]

Hahahaha. What, you took a psychology class last year and now you know everything, eh?

I admit, I’m not technologically-advanced. But I hardly condemn it. I use it all the time and I don’t need to sit here and lay out all the different ways it is an inherent part of my life. And really Rajraj, anyone here who knows I don’t know how to use the quote function properly should also know by now that I am fully aware and comfortable with my “inadequacies”. I’ve said more about my character defects in an open, honest way on this site than you’ll ever be capable of. Of course, you’ve never faced your insecurities and deficiencies, so how could I expect you to display them all for everyone here?

But that doesn’t distract from the fact that Jobs’ accomplishments are nothing more than him piggybacking on Americans’ incessant need for SHIT. I enjoy technology and it makes my life easier and I embrace it for all the potential it has to make the world a better place for the less-fortunate. But NOTHING that Jobs has created really meets this criteria. Pretty much everything he’s made are products for people to make THEIR lives easier. Let’s put it this way. Nothing he’s made is of any use to the starving children in Ethiopia. Nothing he’s ever made has advanced efforts to end drug addiction and the fallout it has on children in this country. Nothing he’s ever made is designed specifically to create jobs for unskilled workers in destitute countries. Nothing he’s done has helped end massive human rights atrocities in China.

So forgive me if I minimize his “accomplishments”. A great man? I don’t know about that. But I can tell you who IS a great man. The guy I went to coffee with this afternoon who drives to the hospital five nights a week and brings people, many of them totally homeless and destitute, to AA meetings. This motherfucker spends almost all his free time trying to help people get sober, people who have been told by everyone they know that they’ll never get clean, people whose families have completely given up on them. Or how about another friend of mine who works with foster children? She has a fucking PhD from Stanford and what does she do? She earns about 50K a year working for the county as a social worker. She works every day with children whose parents have abandoned them or who have been taken from their parents by the state. She sees kids every fucking week get put in foster homes where they’re separated from their siblings permanently, she sees kids who literally have never known affection, fucking FIVE year olds with cigarette burns on their faces, kids who don’t understand that not everyone’s father beats the shit out of them every night just for existing.

So where the fuck are the threads extolling all the accomplishments and the vision and impact people like THEM have had on this country? THESE are accomplishments. Why? Because many times there aren’t any rewards, and yet these people put in the time and effort anyways.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Who the fuck cares? All he made were products that eased the speed at which we bury our heads in the sand and ignore Real Life. I’m so sick of looking at teenagers walk into my classroom with their heads buried in an iWhatever who have never heard of Libya, couldn’t find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map and have no fucking clue who the 2nd President of this country was. Fuck Steve Jobs. Thanks for your contributions to the dumbing down and rampant materialism going on in this country you fucking asshole. Burn in hell.[/quote]

I thought it smelled a bit douchey in here.[/quote]

This post shouldn’t surprise anyone who checks GAL regularly, the guy is anti-technology and new-age knowledge in general. Don’t have to go further than the MLB thread where you can read his opinions on instant replay and Sabremetrics.

I honestly think he’s really just intimidated by things he doesn’t understand, in this case technology. I mean, is there any other poster on this site other than DB who doesn’t know how to use quote function after 2+ years on this site? He doesn’t actually wish for Steve Jobs to burn in hell, his post is just a front for his inadequacies, in this case understanding basic technology and being a shitty teacher.

[/quote]

Hahahaha. What, you took a psychology class last year and now you know everything, eh?

I admit, I’m not technologically-advanced. But I hardly condemn it. I use it all the time and I don’t need to sit here and lay out all the different ways it is an inherent part of my life. And really Rajraj, anyone here who knows I don’t know how to use the quote function properly should also know by now that I am fully aware and comfortable with my “inadequacies”. I’ve said more about my character defects in an open, honest way on this site than you’ll ever be capable of. Of course, you’ve never faced your insecurities and deficiencies, so how could I expect you to display them all for everyone here?

But that doesn’t distract from the fact that Jobs’ accomplishments are nothing more than him piggybacking on Americans’ incessant need for SHIT. I enjoy technology and it makes my life easier and I embrace it for all the potential it has to make the world a better place for the less-fortunate. But NOTHING that Jobs has created really meets this criteria. Pretty much everything he’s made are products for people to make THEIR lives easier. Let’s put it this way. Nothing he’s made is of any use to the starving children in Ethiopia. Nothing he’s ever made has advanced efforts to end drug addiction and the fallout it has on children in this country. Nothing he’s ever made is designed specifically to create jobs for unskilled workers in destitute countries. Nothing he’s done has helped end massive human rights atrocities in China.

So forgive me if I minimize his “accomplishments”. A great man? I don’t know about that. But I can tell you who IS a great man. The guy I went to coffee with this afternoon who drives to the hospital five nights a week and brings people, many of them totally homeless and destitute, to AA meetings. This motherfucker spends almost all his free time trying to help people get sober, people who have been told by everyone they know that they’ll never get clean, people whose families have completely given up on them. Or how about another friend of mine who works with foster children? She has a fucking PhD from Stanford and what does she do? She earns about 50K a year working for the county as a social worker. She works every day with children whose parents have abandoned them or who have been taken from their parents by the state. She sees kids every fucking week get put in foster homes where they’re separated from their siblings permanently, she sees kids who literally have never known affection, fucking FIVE year olds with cigarette burns on their faces, kids who don’t understand that not everyone’s father beats the shit out of them every night just for existing.

So where the fuck are the threads extolling all the accomplishments and the vision and impact people like THEM have had on this country? THESE are accomplishments. Why? Because many times there aren’t any rewards, and yet these people put in the time and effort anyways.[/quote]

He developed the GUI operating system, most of what you see in front of you is a result of him. To put this into simple terms you can understand, he made computers user-friendly so the average person could use them without needing a computer science degree. What you don’t realize is this innovation has indirectly helped feed the poor, fight poverty and education millions of people.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
looks like we’ll never get the iphone5 now[/quote]

I think this will ultimately go ahead.

I’d think that surely Jobs would have built Apple on some strong fundamentals (regarding creativity and innovation) so this will be seen in future products. Of course no one can replace Jobs which is why he’s such an icon but the probability of Apple producing another technological marvel (like the iPod) is there. I say iPod because the impact of that device on portable music players was greater IMHO than the phone or tablet releases.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Who the fuck cares? All he made were products that eased the speed at which we bury our heads in the sand and ignore Real Life. I’m so sick of looking at teenagers walk into my classroom with their heads buried in an iWhatever who have never heard of Libya, couldn’t find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map and have no fucking clue who the 2nd President of this country was. Fuck Steve Jobs. Thanks for your contributions to the dumbing down and rampant materialism going on in this country you fucking asshole. Burn in hell.[/quote]

Soooo your a PC? Wow that was the worst MAC versus PC commercial I have ever seen.

Well most kids did not know any of that before Steve Jobs.

But let’s be honest I didn’t have a daily lunch with the man so I’ll still be eating steak an ice cream on Thursday.

But come on… Really, fuck him kinda harsh.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I’m dead serious. Look, I get it. He was an innovator and perhaps it’s in poor taste for me to slam his vapid accomplishments so soon after his death. But my point still stands. I’m sure Jobs used his wealth to help a lot of people and all that, but what has anything he has created really done for any of us? Has the iPod helped anyone here become a better person? Has the iPad directly done one single thing to erase poverty in this country, or any other country? When was the last time your iPhone helped put food in the stomach of a hungry single mother? And before people start spouting off about his philanthropy I remind you of the parable about the rich guy making a show of his donations to the church in the front row and the poor woman in the back who gives one coin a week, the only coin she has.

And before anyone accuses me of unjustifiably getting on my high horse, I really DO help with this sort of thing, okay? So I my stance isn’t one of hypocrisy. I volunteer at soup kitchens, I donate my time on the weekends and once a week in the evenings taking care of a 90 year-old woman because no one else will, I volunteer time as a mentor to young teenaged foster children, I’ve practically taken a vow of poverty to work as a teacher in a public school. And it isn’t because I want summers off. And I know a lot of people who do more than I do with less resources and time. And it’s people like THOSE people and not Steve Jobs who are the innovators and the geniuses and the people who have shaped this country. THOSE people are actually doing something to improve the lives of others, not Steve Jobs. I know I’m not the only one on here who thinks there is a serious problem with this country and personally, I think Steve Jobs is at least indirectly responsible. His products are all designed to placate ME, to make MY life easier. Nothing he used his innovation and genius for was designed to encourage me to help others, only to reinforce my selfish need for creature comfort. I think one could make the argument that no one in the last 50-60 years has done more to advance Americans’ total obsession with themselves than Jobs.

So when the Pantheon for Great Americans is built one day, Jobs doesn’t belong in it. All this canonizing of him and his “accomplishments” speaks volumes about the type of people we value in this country.[/quote]

This.

CS

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Who the fuck cares? All he made were products that eased the speed at which we bury our heads in the sand and ignore Real Life. I’m so sick of looking at teenagers walk into my classroom with their heads buried in an iWhatever who have never heard of Libya, couldn’t find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map and have no fucking clue who the 2nd President of this country was. Fuck Steve Jobs. Thanks for your contributions to the dumbing down and rampant materialism going on in this country you fucking asshole. Burn in hell.[/quote]

I thought it smelled a bit douchey in here.[/quote]

This post shouldn’t surprise anyone who checks GAL regularly, the guy is anti-technology and new-age knowledge in general. Don’t have to go further than the MLB thread where you can read his opinions on instant replay and Sabremetrics.

I honestly think he’s really just intimidated by things he doesn’t understand, in this case technology. I mean, is there any other poster on this site other than DB who doesn’t know how to use quote function after 2+ years on this site? He doesn’t actually wish for Steve Jobs to burn in hell, his post is just a front for his inadequacies, in this case understanding basic technology and being a shitty teacher.

[/quote]

Hahahaha. What, you took a psychology class last year and now you know everything, eh?

I admit, I’m not technologically-advanced. But I hardly condemn it. I use it all the time and I don’t need to sit here and lay out all the different ways it is an inherent part of my life. And really Rajraj, anyone here who knows I don’t know how to use the quote function properly should also know by now that I am fully aware and comfortable with my “inadequacies”. I’ve said more about my character defects in an open, honest way on this site than you’ll ever be capable of. Of course, you’ve never faced your insecurities and deficiencies, so how could I expect you to display them all for everyone here?

But that doesn’t distract from the fact that Jobs’ accomplishments are nothing more than him piggybacking on Americans’ incessant need for SHIT. I enjoy technology and it makes my life easier and I embrace it for all the potential it has to make the world a better place for the less-fortunate. But NOTHING that Jobs has created really meets this criteria. Pretty much everything he’s made are products for people to make THEIR lives easier. Let’s put it this way. Nothing he’s made is of any use to the starving children in Ethiopia. Nothing he’s ever made has advanced efforts to end drug addiction and the fallout it has on children in this country. Nothing he’s ever made is designed specifically to create jobs for unskilled workers in destitute countries. Nothing he’s done has helped end massive human rights atrocities in China.

So forgive me if I minimize his “accomplishments”. A great man? I don’t know about that. But I can tell you who IS a great man. The guy I went to coffee with this afternoon who drives to the hospital five nights a week and brings people, many of them totally homeless and destitute, to AA meetings. This motherfucker spends almost all his free time trying to help people get sober, people who have been told by everyone they know that they’ll never get clean, people whose families have completely given up on them. Or how about another friend of mine who works with foster children? She has a fucking PhD from Stanford and what does she do? She earns about 50K a year working for the county as a social worker. She works every day with children whose parents have abandoned them or who have been taken from their parents by the state. She sees kids every fucking week get put in foster homes where they’re separated from their siblings permanently, she sees kids who literally have never known affection, fucking FIVE year olds with cigarette burns on their faces, kids who don’t understand that not everyone’s father beats the shit out of them every night just for existing.

So where the fuck are the threads extolling all the accomplishments and the vision and impact people like THEM have had on this country? THESE are accomplishments. Why? Because many times there aren’t any rewards, and yet these people put in the time and effort anyways.[/quote]

He developed the GUI operating system, most of what you see in front of you is a result of him. To put this into simple terms you can understand, he made computers user-friendly so the average person could use them without needing a computer science degree. What you don’t realize is this innovation has indirectly helped feed the poor, fight poverty and education millions of people. [/quote]

The key word in all of this being “indirectly”. Adolf Hitler forced a lot of people in Europe to confront the viciousness behind anti-Semitism head-on. Does he deserve to be lauded for this? For accelerating international dialogue about the atrocities inherent in state-sponsored ethnic cleansing? And since you’re an idiot, I’ll have to explain this further. I’m not equating the Mac with National Socialism. I’m only pointing out that just because the ends are good, does not automatically make the means magnanimous.

We should be celebrating the people who DO use his products for the good that you have described, not the maker of such goods. When Lee Iacocca dies, we aren’t going to be on here saying he was a great man because his vehicles were used as ambulances and were therefore responsible for saving millions of lives. To celebrate Jobs’ “accomplishments” is nothing more than celebrating technology. If the technology can be used for good, great. Then let’s celebrate the people who use it instead of the people who make it. What’s next? Are we going to start eulogizing defense contractors, or American soldiers?

So if me placing value on human accomplishments rather than technology makes me “anti-tech”, well then sign me up!

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I knew when he announced he was stepping away from his CEO role permanently that only being very, very sick would make him do that.

I’ve been around Apple products for over three decades, and they include some of my earliest computer experiences. I’ve never been one who drank the Apple Kool Aide, but I can recognize the tremendous impact Jobs had on the industry. If for nothing else than to show the crucial importance of considering the product as a whole and the user’s interaction with it, not just the technology and the whiz-bang.

There’s a lot to criticize as well. I’ll leave that for a later day.

He died far too young, but I’d say he’s had a very rich life as well.

Thanks, Steve, you are missed.

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I also will state that these stupid fucking ego parties he throws for himself in the form of some warped “unveiling” are more evidence of his complicity in the dumbing down of America. I mean for Christ’s sake, what kind of fucking shit does he unveil at these things? Affordable heart rate monitors? Inexpensive laptops made for quadraplegics? A new school in Zimbabwe? No. He unveils iPhones and iPads.

So again, forgive me for downplaying his accomplishments and the “positive” impact he’s had on America. I doubt the positive extent of that impact and I’ve already made clear what I feel REAL accomplishments worthy of praise are.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

And before anyone accuses me of unjustifiably getting on my high horse, I really DO help with this sort of thing, okay? So I my stance isn’t one of hypocrisy. I volunteer at soup kitchens, I donate my time on the weekends and once a week in the evenings taking care of a 90 year-old woman because no one else will, I volunteer time as a mentor to young teenaged foster children, I’ve practically taken a vow of poverty to work as a teacher in a public school. And it isn’t because I want summers off.[/quote]

This is the same mentality as “I’m not a racist, I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS, so I am qualified in saying stupid shit on the subject”

You have such a nurturing personallity, I bet you’re as hardcore of a liberal as they come, I also bet you fucking lactate quarts of estrogen filled breast milk a day

you write, serve soup, read books to kids, and scrub corns on old ladies feet, yea you’re a real fucking HERO this world could not possibly survive without you. Do you ever realize how fucking EASY it is to do the things that you do? I mean liberal arts-cereal box degree-dreams of adolescent girls type shit

If you didn’t do these things some other bitch would.

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RIP

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Yeah, never gave a damn about the guy while he lived won’t cry now he is dead but i hope he does RIP.

Next time I get a Text or Email on my phone from my Nephew doing a tour in Korea. And I can respond instantly with family pics, I’ll most likely think of Jobs for a second and then go back to what I was doing.

Little things but some do use it for more than sending LOL’s and texting in trafic.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
Yeah, never gave a damn about the guy while he lived won’t cry now he is dead but i hope he does RIP.

Next time I get a Text or Email on my phone from my Nephew doing a tour in Korea. And I can respond instantly with family pics, I’ll most likely think of Jobs for a second and then go back to what I was doing.

Little things but some do use it for more than sending LOL’s and texting in trafic.[/quote]

I feel this way too. I’ve had an iPod and iShuffle for years used in the car and in the gym, worked great. I downloaded movies on iPod to make cardio better. Have libraries worth of music. But the biggest change came when getting the iPhone and communicating/emailing/texting to my close friends and family. Now I take photos/videos of my baby daughter and email them to my sis and parents. Seamlessly. The iPhone 4 is the best phone I’ve ever owned.

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His products sure touch a lot of lives - my kid in preschool uses a frigging i-Pad in the classroom! I am not sure whether or not he qualifies as a “great man” (that kind of question is above my pay grade), but he sure was a technology/marketing GENIUS. As someone interested in sales/marketing/advertizing, I can say with some degree of certainty that in those areas, he was one of the greatest innovators of these times. One can only imagine what else he would have come up with had he lived longer.

I’m sure Apple will continue to thrive as a company - from what I understand, he took great pains to ensure his ethos was well entrenched there. Although I must admit, I recently retired my i-Phone in favor of an Android platform (i-phone couldn’t get a signal where other, cheaper phones on the same service could - I felt ripped off).

I also stopped using i-Tunes after losing more than half of my music after an update simply because I didn’t buy it from THEM… So I’m not swinging on Apple’s nuts by any means, but I can still appreciate the insane talent the man had.

Cancer sucks.

SJ, RIP

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

And before anyone accuses me of unjustifiably getting on my high horse, I really DO help with this sort of thing, okay? So I my stance isn’t one of hypocrisy. I volunteer at soup kitchens, I donate my time on the weekends and once a week in the evenings taking care of a 90 year-old woman because no one else will, I volunteer time as a mentor to young teenaged foster children, I’ve practically taken a vow of poverty to work as a teacher in a public school. And it isn’t because I want summers off.[/quote]

This is the same mentality as “I’m not a racist, I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS, so I am qualified in saying stupid shit on the subject”

You have such a nurturing personallity, I bet you’re as hardcore of a liberal as they come, I also bet you fucking lactate quarts of estrogen filled breast milk a day

you write, serve soup, read books to kids, and scrub corns on old ladies feet, yea you’re a real fucking HERO this world could not possibly survive without you. Do you ever realize how fucking EASY it is to do the things that you do? I mean liberal arts-cereal box degree-dreams of adolescent girls type shit

If you didn’t do these things some other bitch would.[/quote]

Listen pal, if you think you can pigeonhole my political leanings (I couldn’t be farther from the type of liberal you equate me with and I’ve never voted Democrat) based on my charitable contributions to the community I live in, you’re only revealing your ignorance not only about me and what I do, but about political issues in general.

And you know what? Doing what I do isn’t easy at all. At least, I can only assume it isn’t easy because there simply can’t be another explanation as to why there seem to be so little people out there who actually do the things I do. I suppose they avoid doing such easy work because they’re too busy using their iPhone to update their Facebook status every few minutes.

I laugh at your namecalling. I have a degree in history and political science, most of the units toward which I earned at Pepperdine University, perhaps the most conservative four year institution in California. You’re a child with absolutely no concept of what liberalism really is. How often do you spend time helping the poor and needy? I mean, you can’t even find the time to fuck a fat chick more than once a month, so I can only assume it’s because you’re out there actually DOING the easy-as-shit work you’re so quick to ridicule.

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Just now at the Apple campus. Was wondering if people were there.

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