[quote] JJ wrote:
good advice mr B[/quote]
Didn’t you tell me that tapering into a cycle was unnecessary?
for different reasons Maka. In this case safety over-rides protocol to optimise AAS effects IMO.
Know what i mean?
[quote] JJ wrote:
for different reasons Maka. In this case safety over-rides protocol to optimise AAS effects IMO.
Know what i mean?[/quote]
Ha ha, yeah I realized. I’m just messin’ with ya!
pffttt…!
[quote] JJ wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.
I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.
Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.
I saw an online interview with ex wrestler the honky tonk man where he was asked about the benoit thing.
he said
that wasnt steroids he was not in some damned roid rage.
a roid rage is where maybe youll want to go and hit a mother fucker with a pipe across the face but roinds wont make you kill 2 people then yourself. its just not like that.
and a little off topic
but GB what is it with you and crying in a super duty? memories? or you just stalking me watching what I do on weds.
oh crap its weds wheres my keys?
what it is here… steroids make HIM want to go smash up a guy… but maybe they make someone else wanna kill… i can relate to that i am afraid.
JJ[/quote]
and yes I would agree with that also.
different things affect different people differently
I still think that if someone has a mental disorder at all that is being treated by a doctor.
then they should really evaluate the risk,which is what dude is doing here.
but I also think that if it may affect his mental health then its not worth it.
some people are not meant to go that route its that simple.
either way be careful
it ISNT that simple - in life quite often the things that are the worst for us, we want the most.
Like your girlfriends best mate… MMmm!
opioids
Anal Sex
Big Muscles and a raring sex drive enough to kill a herd of buffalo…
Just dont mix them up, or else we will have a very, very sore friend of the girlfriend who doesnt remember much but has a very nice animal fur bra and pantie set and track marks…
I have no clue, its one of the fucking songs off his In between dreams. Crying nancy all the way. Not even Pantera would snap me out of it.
I have OCD and have used steroids quite a bit and have had some problems. They seemed to have a more negative effect as time went on and my last cycle was my last cycle because I was starting to experience increased OCD activity along with anxiety and depression. I had had some bits and pieces of problems before but I ignored them and paid for it with a very mentally destructive cycle. Steroids do affect your brain chemistry and there is a chance you will have problems. I would advise you to leave them alone, espcially if you are just using a little to cut.
On a side note, I never got an increased sense of well being, increased aggression, or any of the other usual mood changes, even when using strong androgens and such. Perhaps it was the OCD meds.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I have no clue, its one of the fucking songs off his In between dreams. Crying nancy all the way. Not even Pantera would snap me out of it. [/quote]
Cyring shame?
[quote] JJ wrote:
It isnt about being an asshole, arsehole… It is about the fact that Testosterone DOES have psychological effects on people.
So steroids dont increase aggression??
Confidence? yeah…
Well-Being? yep…
Self-belief and worth…
and Assertiveness.
Why is a heightened aggression so hard to accept? Is it because it is seen as a negative emotion?
I AM aggressive anyway, which is why i notice heightened aggressiveness. Those that are only occasionally mildly aggressive may have a slight change and those that are never aggressive tend to just be more assertive and confident.
Steroids make me more confident, thus self-worth is higher - thus i become more assertive, except i seem to have an aggressive manner about me. (which i constantly monitor and check). SOoo… that is viewed as heightened aggression.
Those that arent really aggressive, get more confident, have higher self-worth values and become more assertive maybe but are capable of delivering that in a non-aggressive way.
Maybe Steroids are capable of making certain personality types more aggressive. We are in a steroid forum… there are going to be a whole range of “types” here…
I dont mind admitting i am aggressive and more so due to anabolics… and i take offence to being called an asshole obviously, as you have read a book-done a degree and assume to understand the inner workings of an aggression increase from AAS on certain personality types.
Just from being one of those people and intelligent enough to see many sids to a story makes me more qualified than you.
What is mentioned above is a good argument i think other than this…
Certain steroids make people more aggressive than others. Plus i know - that myself on test, i can get so angry, so severe, i have to be very careful about my circumstances. I will not allow myself to be involved in confrontation if possible, as i can cause confrontation with perfect strangers in minutes as it is! It is constantly there… that isnt more confidence etc… it is something else.
I can categorically say in SOME people, steroids increase aggression. Alot. And it isnt about being an asshole, cause i am a decent guy.
Ever used Halo? Tren? Even in the most mild people, tren causes an incerase in anger emotions…
JJ[/quote]
This is a great post!
Me and a friend decided to do our first cycle together. I am a pretty calm person but my friend has some personal issues from the past that he had kept to himself. He got along with everyone, a positive guy, but you could tell there was something bothering him.
After a month or so into his cycle, he completely changed. His anger was uncontrollable. He lost his girl and every friend he had. Finally, his anger turned into depression. To this day we are no longer friends. I was told to be aware of potential personality changes I might experience during my cycle but these changes are very hard to explain.
It’s something you kinda have to experience to fully understand. For me, I did get a little more emotional but I knew what was causing it and was able to remain positive throughout.
I think that as long as you are aware of the possibilities in mood change, you’ll be ok. But I strongly believe that there are certain people that should stay away if they have severe emotion problems.
Benoit’s incident took place over a few days. If so-called ‘roid rage’ was a cause, a calculated plan resulting in a double murder-suicide would seem unlikely.
[quote] JJ wrote:
lol at the last comment - like, “in a more serious note… dont use winny alone…” HAHAA!
As for the AAS induced mental illness… me either, but many men get negative psychological effects from AAS… depression and aggression mostly.
OP read this… very relevant IMO.
http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/945104.htm
Joe[/quote]
With so little data, perhaps we should not listen to a policy wonk. He can’t make money advising government agencies to do things contrary to their preconceived objectives. The policy guy is there to polish the turd so it can be used to further someones agenda. { I really did not read much of that article, but I had to give it a go 
Perhaps there are aggressive and or psychotic people before they start steroids. Steroids in that case are not the cause. Some wreck-less, self destructive, drug seeking people get into steroids. Crazy people do crazy things. If we eliminate steroids, there will still be crazy people.
L-tryptophan [supplement] is legal again. This will increase serotonin. Perhaps some SSRI sides can be reduced.
Guys on TRT know what long term estrogen excesses can do: ED, no libido, outbursts from confusion, frustration and overload, mood problems or depression, social withdrawal, lack of initiative and motivation.
This is not from the anabolic steroids, but from the elevated estrogen. Some steroid users are probably causing estrogen poisoning. Do steroids do that… only in the hands of the uninformed. The mental effects are from estrogen - the anti steroid.
[quote]KSman wrote:
L-tryptophan [supplement] is legal again. This will increase serotonin. Perhaps some SSRI sides can be reduced.
Guys on TRT know what long term estrogen excesses can do: ED, no libido, outbursts from confusion, frustration and overload, mood problems or depression, social withdrawal, lack of initiative and motivation.
This is not from the anabolic steroids, but from the elevated estrogen. Some steroid users are probably causing estrogen poisoning. Do steroids do that… only in the hands of the uninformed. The mental effects are from estrogen - the anti steroid.[/quote]
I know someone that is actually normal when she takes when she takes L-tryptophan in the form of 5-htp
its weird actually how effective it is when you need it
[quote]KSman wrote:
L-tryptophan [supplement] is legal again. This will increase serotonin. Perhaps some SSRI sides can be reduced.
Guys on TRT know what long term estrogen excesses can do: ED, no libido, outbursts from confusion, frustration and overload, mood problems or depression, social withdrawal, lack of initiative and motivation.
This is not from the anabolic steroids, but from the elevated estrogen. Some steroid users are probably causing estrogen poisoning. Do steroids do that… only in the hands of the uninformed. The mental effects are from estrogen - the anti steroid.[/quote]
THATS what it is like to be a woman? ITS HORRIBLE, simply horrid. I wouldnt wish it on my best friend, and she is a girl.
JJ
[quote] JJ wrote:
KSman wrote:
L-tryptophan [supplement] is legal again. This will increase serotonin. Perhaps some SSRI sides can be reduced.
Guys on TRT know what long term estrogen excesses can do: ED, no libido, outbursts from confusion, frustration and overload, mood problems or depression, social withdrawal, lack of initiative and motivation.
This is not from the anabolic steroids, but from the elevated estrogen. Some steroid users are probably causing estrogen poisoning. Do steroids do that… only in the hands of the uninformed. The mental effects are from estrogen - the anti steroid.
THATS what it is like to be a woman? ITS HORRIBLE, simply horrid. I wouldnt wish it on my best friend, and she is a girl.
JJ[/quote]
and you was wondering why all guys say that girls are batshit crazy.
its true really really true
and yes I want any excuse I can get to say “batshit crazy”.
its contagious too… i wan to say in in context too now… Damn.
[quote]KSman wrote:
L-tryptophan [supplement] is legal again. This will increase serotonin. Perhaps some SSRI sides can be reduced.[/quote]
I wouldn’t recommend taking L-tryptophan or 5-HTP concurrently with an SSRI. You will almost certainly feel a mild form of serotonin syndrome if not severe. I know from experience.
OP: You are on Cymbalta AND Lexapro? I would get off the Lexapro and see how it affects your mood. I’m really surprised your doctor prescribed both. Never seen that before.
Batshit crazy.
Wow, it does feel good to say that. Context be damned, that going to be my real-world answer to everything.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
Nice find JJ
I think the most important part for me is in the conclusion:
“At present, little has been scientifically proven about the psychological changes which may be associated with anabolic steroid use”
Experienced users will tell you there is a definite change in mood and sexual libido, so even without medical studies documenting it as known fact, it does happen to most guys.
Also thinking about it, one of the main concerns for you may also be coming off a cycle, if not done properly your testosterone levels can crash and leave you with depression and low motivation/energy.
Even with the perfect taper or PCT I think all guys suffer a bit of a dip in mood when coming off which may be more of a problem to you.
I am guessing you have severe OCD either that or your doc is just trying to use scare tactics to put you off.
[/quote]
Great advice there Guvnor. I second.