Steroid Vet Dogma

Pharma
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‘Science’ kills me too. Science is having a plan, recording what you did and how you responded. It isn’t big words and using studies to jump to conclusions. It would be using the study as a guide and then trying something and recording what you did and how you repsonded. There should be a board where all you could post is what you did and how you repsonded. Not theories. The problem is people often leave out key factors. like…

‘…i did 20mg of var a day and it made me so strong’
ME: ‘did you use anything else?’
…“just 2g sustanon a week, but it wasn’t until I added the var that my strength jumped”
Me: ‘oh, thanks. (disregard eveything that was said up until then)’

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[quote]Dopamineloveaffair wrote:
grey wrote:
What we have here is a guy telling everybody that all our combined information and personal experience is suspect and that basically we should shut the fuck up because Hooker has all the right answers.

Yeah, I am saying a lot of the information being spewed on these forums are suspect. Not all of it, but some of it. I don’t think that’s a surprise to anybody, or else I hope it’s not. I tried looking for my comment that people should shut the fuck up and listen to Hooker but couldn’t find it. I don’t care if the information comes from Hooker or anybody else. All I’m saying is I think everyone could pitch in and do a little more research and critical thinking before posting, myself included.

I didn’t start this thread to flame the vets that are here, I’m just looking for more complete answers that can be of benefit to everyone. Theories are made to be changed. The state of steroid information is different than it was 10 years ago, and it’ll be different 10 years from now as we learn more about it. I think that’s the reason why most are here, to learn how to plan their cycles/HRT more effectively. Why allow dogma and misinformation to interfere with that?

Grey, what’s your reason for being here? To appear knowledgeable and intelligent or to find the best solutions for yourself and others?[/quote]

My reason for being here is definately not to pad my pocketbook.
Therefore I should be able to give my opinion without it being suspect.
AR on the other hand is trying to become important by discrediting other people.
What you don’t believe me?

Read carefully the things he has written and get back to me.
I definately do not need a knowitall telling me what is right and wrong. I need intelligent debate with give and take…not absolutes like your wannabe guru spews forth across the boards.

I find his bedside manner reprehensible.
It really pisses me off when i read the smartass shit that Roberts writes.
Nobody can claim to be an expert in this field…especially a theatre of arts student who played rugby in some low end league in NZ.

I will continue to call a spade a spade as long as this phoney continues to bullshit.
Please have him answer the following question if you would be so kind.

AR stated on another site that the effects of virilization in women who use winstrol vary depandant on whether the winny is oral or injectable.
Have smartasss explain his logic.

Till he does i will consider him full of shit.
That is all.

Oh and stop kissing his ass. You guys slay me with your hero worship.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I don’t believe this. You’ll come out of the woodwork to insult me, or anyone else that is involved on steroid boards, but you won’t back up your accusations - or even explain why freebies are okay for you to take but a sin for mods/vets.

I hope folks are taking notice of this. Wanna talk about board dogma? Wanna talk about spreading unsubstantiated rumors? Look no further than hooker. He is the personification of all the he supposedly hates.

Where are you? You make baseless charges and then disappear. I am not suprised. Providing proof has never been a strong point for you. [/quote]

I don’t really even read all of the bullshit people write here…I certainly don’t read all of your senseless posts.

Ever since you decided to post that thread about IGF and BSA, you lost any real credibility. You made assertions and eventually had to admit that you had nothing to back them up.

Why don’t I reply to everything people say?

Partially because I don’t read half the shit being shoveled, and partially because most of it doesn’t deserve an answer.

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[quote]grey wrote:
AR stated on another site that the effects of virilization in women who use winstrol vary depandant on whether the winny is oral or injectable.
Have smartasss explain his logic.
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That explanation will be in my next MesoRx article. I know that it seems incomprehensible to people who have all day to post on the internet, but occasionally I need to turn answers into full articles to derive a profit from dispensing that information.

As a result of continuously being asked about my DNP cycle, I turned it into an article for T-Nation. This was because I felt that I needed to really tell people what was going on when I used DNP, and also because I can not devote that much time to writing about a particular compound or answering a particular question- without deriving a material benefit. This is, after all, my job, and I don’t do it for free.

I feel that the article I’m going to produce will easily answer all questions about that topic.

In fact, it’s really indicative of a lack of pharmacological and pharmacokinetic understanding to even really question the rationale behind this assertion re: winstrol.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Funny thing, though. Evertything in hookers book worth underlining in red was actually written by Llewellyn.
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Llewellyn has a copy of my book, actually. The only similarities are basics (chemical names, brand names, structures, etc…).

Other than that, there’s only so much you can really say about testosterone. I wouldn’t suspect you to know that, however.

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[quote]Viking69 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
grey wrote:
Every terminal will be manned by a person who has been given a copy of Hookers booklet with the important stuff underlined in bold red.

Funny thing, though. Evertything in hookers book worth underlining in red was actually written by Llewellyn.

Wait a second, now we’re on to something!

And everything that can be underlined in red was a tip from word of mouth from a pro bodybuilder, or experimentation on himself or his clients, until Llewellyn and Duchane or whoever got something they “thought” worked. They all stole these ideas from each other and compiled it into a book.

This shit all started as gym conversation in Venice. Finally these guys wrote it down and get credit as “experts”. Then comes along another guy like Roberts who claims to have come up with the idea of taking HCG and serms at the same time. But luckily nowadays we have cut and paste.

And now these same people who made their livings off of regurgitating info, get angry when guys come onto internet forums and talk about what they think works, because it goes against shit they plagiarized.

This reminds of Metallica against napster… the ultimate in hypocrisy.
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THANK YOU VIKING! For god sakes people there has not been an origianl thought in steroid publication in many years it is all just rehashed crap dug up from various studies that you or i can easily find on our own. That being said if a guy can make a living at taking advantage of the fact that most people are too lazy to do their own research than so be it.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
I don’t really even read all of the bullshit people write here…I certainly don’t read all of your senseless posts.

Ever since you decided to post that thread about IGF and BSA, you lost any real credibility. You made assertions and eventually had to admit that you had nothing to back them up.

Why don’t I reply to everything people say?

Partially because I don’t read half the shit being shoveled, and partially because most of it doesn’t deserve an answer.
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You made the accusation that ChemOne is a bunch of scammers. I have asked you numerous times to prove it. But you won’t. You hide behind some bullshit about “I don’t read half of this stuff” which is utter horse shit. You are a coward.

It is on only one forum and in two threads that I have asked you to at least show some semblance of proof that my company is a scam. You have made an unsubstantiated claim. At least I was man enough to admit I was wrong. But not you. You duck and dodge. Real classy.

I could give a shit if you read everything I write. I can promise you I read very little of the drivel you call writing, and I would certainly never pay to do so. Anyone that expresses interest in your copy/paste publication should pay the original writer for it - not a lazy-assed rugby player.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Funny thing, though. Evertything in hookers book worth underlining in red was actually written by Llewellyn.

Llewellyn has a copy of my book, actually. The only similarities are basics (chemical names, brand names, structures, etc…).

Other than that, there’s only so much you can really say about testosterone. I wouldn’t suspect you to know that, however.
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That’s all well and good - but you lifted it from his book.

How about proving your claim that Chemone is a scam? You are a liar and not to be trusted by anyone - much less noobs that know no better.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
Why don’t I reply to everything people say?
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I don’t give a fuck if you reply to every thing people say. This is a specific request for proof of an accusation you made. Don’t broad brush it in an attempt to downplay it.

I’ll ask one more time:

Will you or will you not provide proof that ChemOne is a scam?

I suspect that you are too much of an estro-queen to man up and answer - but I will continue to ask anyhow.

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As I was saying, ain’t a sombitch perfect. All yall that want to step on someone’s head to make you look bigger…You suck my dick while I take a shit all day. If a sombitch on this board thinks they can’t learn something…get the fuck on, we don’t need know it alls.

Bushy I’m not kissing your ass either…I’m just giving credit where it’s due.The man know’s his stuff.

Not to good to learn from anyone,
biscuite

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[quote]biscuite wrote:
As I was saying, ain’t a sombitch perfect. All yall that want to step on someone’s head to make you look bigger…You suck my dick while I take a shit all day. If a sombitch on this board thinks they can’t learn something…get the fuck on, we don’t need know it alls.

Bushy I’m not kissing your ass either…I’m just giving credit where it’s due.The man know’s his stuff.

Not to good to learn from anyone,
biscuite[/quote]

I still love you you Alabama tick. LOL

You crack me up Bis.

JW