[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
hey bros just have s a question
where is the best place to get steroids? [/quote]
Go into your local underground BB/PL gym and find the biggest, ripped motherfucker there - preferably black with scars.
Walk directly upto him and loudly ask if he is “Juicin’”…
You will find that he has the answers to all your problems.
His name is either delroy… or Mungo.
Good luck fellow ‘bro’
[quote]Smitty22 wrote:
nobody answered my question about my test e cycle…I wrote it at the top of the page…Just wanted one of you experts to help me out…with when to start the letro and when to use the nolvadex and clomid with a test taper…as I said I know i’m very prone to estrogen conversion so I wanted to know if starting the letro a week before the first injection would be fine, and if 250mg of test e every 3 days would be fine for 12 weeks then starting my taper…
when do I start the pct in conjuction with my taper and what is reccomended for the letro during the taper and pct… is it okay to run letro all the way until the end of the pct or should I stop taking it somewher along the way??? Help Furious or Brook… been reading your stuff you seem like you have a good grasp of everything[/quote]
Letro takes anywhere from 4-6 weeks to provide stable peak blood levels so 1 week before hand leaves a little to be desired.
Seeing as it is the drug it is though i find that using it at the same time as the cycle is fine, but i titrate my dose accordingly as needed.
If you are going to do a test taper as outlined in schwartzeneggers sticky, then use either nolvadex or clomid at a moderate dose (20mg or 50mg respectively) from the beginning of the 100mg bridge.
Continue the SERM throughout and run it a couple of weeks past the very last injection of test at least.
IMO it is important to run the SERM the duration as that is what the ‘research’ apparently says is less or unsuppressive.
Cease the letrozole (by tapering the dose) during the 100mg bridging period of the stasis taper.
[quote]hvywrest wrote:
I plan to begin my first cycle which would be 500mg of test for 14 weeks and either 4-6 weeks of d-bol or anadrol. I did extensive research on d-bol and ana as well as talking to people who have used them and they sound fairly similiar.
I am on a budget and looking to gain size and strength, but keep as much of my gains as possible. Which would be the best choice?[/quote]
There is very little between them - i personally prefer dbol over drol.
Drol is quite harsh - gave me prostate hypertrophy and nosebleeds quickly. Does increase size quite nicely however…
I have also had bleeds on dbol, but it is tolerated that little bit better IMO.
There really isnt much between them though - when used at the same dose, in fact dbol is better at 50mg/day while drol is better at… you guessed it, 100mg/day!
Obviously…
Brook
I have opted to do a series of short cycles since I have to keep this on the DL, and I only care about making steady progress, not getting swole all at once. I am planning to do this with Dbol although it was said that the bloating can make it obvious.
I understand that Dbol is hard on the liver, but is it that hard over the course of 2 weeks? If you go 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off, does the damage accumulate or will your liver values bounce back? Would you take a liver support for a short cyle?
Shit, thanks Brook!
Ha i’m such a newbie. That pretty much answers all my questions in terms of getting my head around this stuff.
peace
[quote]yakbutter wrote:
I have opted to do a series of short cycles since I have to keep this on the DL, and I only care about making steady progress, not getting swole all at once. I am planning to do this with Dbol although it was said that the bloating can make it obvious.
I understand that Dbol is hard on the liver, but is it that hard over the course of 2 weeks? If you go 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off, does the damage accumulate or will your liver values bounce back? Would you take a liver support for a short cyle?[/quote]
You are not likely to build much lasting muscle with dianabol ran for 8 weeks, let alone 2 on 4 off (i am familiar with the protocol).
It is a big mass drug, lots of water which increases your size and strength like a mofo. GHowever water doesnt stay and post cycle the real gains are revealed - and they are not only very disappointing compared to the raw size you thought you had built, they are apparently not too good even in the grand scheme of things -
I remember reading one of the roberts’s articles suggesting it was about as muscle building when used alone as appreciable amounts of Oxandrolone… I can believe that from what i have experienced of dbol alone.
Now, i think when added to deca or another class II sted, the anabolism is much improved.
Now, which class II could you use for your cycle plan? i think you need to put some work in…!
As for your post (why is it that people manage to ask the wrong questions?) and its original query - no. It is unlikely that if your liver is naturally healthy to begin with, that it will be affected negatively.
No other toxic drugs used (alcohol of course) and no more than 50mg of dianabol used a day - and if a first cycle i recommend 30mg.
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
yakbutter wrote:
I have opted to do a series of short cycles since I have to keep this on the DL, and I only care about making steady progress, not getting swole all at once. I am planning to do this with Dbol although it was said that the bloating can make it obvious.
I understand that Dbol is hard on the liver, but is it that hard over the course of 2 weeks? If you go 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off, does the damage accumulate or will your liver values bounce back? Would you take a liver support for a short cyle?
You are not likely to build much lasting muscle with dianabol ran for 8 weeks, let alone 2 on 4 off (i am familiar with the protocol).
It is a big mass drug, lots of water which increases your size and strength like a mofo. GHowever water doesnt stay and post cycle the real gains are revealed - and they are not only very disappointing compared to the raw size you thought you had built, they are apparently not too good even in the grand scheme of things -
I remember reading one of the roberts’s articles suggesting it was about as muscle building when used alone as appreciable amounts of Oxandrolone… I can believe that from what i have experienced of dbol alone.
Now, i think when added to deca or another class II sted, the anabolism is much improved.
Now, which class II could you use for your cycle plan? i think you need to put some work in…!
As for your post (why is it that people manage to ask the wrong questions?) and its original query - no. It is unlikely that if your liver is naturally healthy to begin with, that it will be affected negatively.
No other toxic drugs used (alcohol of course) and no more than 50mg of dianabol used a day - and if a first cycle i recommend 30mg.
Brook[/quote]
I actually understand that most of the gains are water and I’m OK with that. I get that a short cycle will not build much mass. I figure if I got .5 lb of muscle a week naturally, then I could maybe double that with some help.
Basically what I’m trying to do is recover some mass I lost over the past year. I used to weigh over 200 and I got there perfectly naturally. I’m at 175 now and much leaner, but I know I have lost mass dieting. My goal is to get back to 200 but at a faster rate than naturally. It just doesn’t need to be that fast.
Preferably, it won’t be because I don’t want my family asking questions. They actually grilled me about roid usage when I got big naturally. A standard 12 week test cycle is out of the question.
I would prefer to do Oral Turanabol or Anavar truthfully, but those seem to be much more expensive.
Gains not too good in the grand scheme of things? What does that mean? Relative to other products or relative to staying natural?
If you want to maintain the mass you put on with dbol it is highly recommended to combine it with test as you know. I get that you don’t want to put on too much too fast, but the dbol will do that anyway all on its own.
The only difference is that you’ll shrink back down as soon as you stop just like a pin prick in the Michelin man. That will be EVEN MORE OBVIOUS!!! I would do a short cycle - 6 weeks maybe of test 500mg/w - the first 4 weeks with dbol 30mg/d.
I would frontload the test to get max benefit and avoid having to wait until the last week or two of the cycle for blood levels to get to where you want them.
That way you can justify the gains by saying you decided to redouble efforts in the gym and eat big. Those around you will notice the change in intensity and eating so they will give you the benefit of the doubt.
You could use Test propionate at a dose of 350mg (50mg/day) for 2 weeks then 4 off… although i think susp would be better (unsuitable for you of course).
Using the clomid/serm etc as outlined in BR’s articles on Mesomorphosis.com.
IIRC the doses of the drugs for that protocol are supposed to be fairly high to get full effect from them in the limited time - before full suppression occurs in the third week.
So the test would be 700mg or so IMO… again prolly unsuitable for you with your experience.
Dbol, as dynamo told you, is one of the steroids that is the MOST moticeable! You can explain gaining 15lbs over 3 months but can you explain 15lbs in 4 weeks??!
Not only that but when it drops off within a week post cycle it is (as mentioned) even worse!
BTW - the 2on/4off cycle is meant to be ran over a long period… say 6 months or a year (which would give 2 months on and 4 off in six months OR 4 on and 8 off in twelve).
It doesnt really work otherwise, as the gains are too small to notice from each 2 week cycle, but they add up… so that you gain your 20lbs over a year, which is real, naturally maintained and where you are off more than on - so health conscious as well as discreet.
My honest opinion? Dont bother - why use steroids to get natural or moderate regular normal gains? You use steroids to get extreme performance of some sort - you want mediocre… so why waste your money, time and risk your health (yes, it is a risk) for nothing more than - middle of the road?
Peace.
[quote]
My honest opinion? Dont bother - why use steroids to get natural or moderate regular normal gains? You use steroids to get extreme performance of some sort - you want mediocre… so why waste your money, time and risk your health (yes, it is a risk) for nothing more than - middle of the road?
Peace.[/quote]
Thanks for your advice, I very much appreciate it.
With regard to your question, I can tell you why- I want to get where I’m headed faster. A shortcut.
I am 30 years old and my response to training while still good, is not like it was when I was 18. To add mass, a certain amount of fat tags along with it. I am aware that this is the case also with bulking AAS, however you will still have an outstanding partioning effect to take advantage of.
This ultimately means that when I have to diet off the fat it will take less time. People just have different goals, and for me being 180-190 in single digit bf would be an outstanding result, given my very average genetics.
In your experience, how much does an AI like letro mitigate the water retention? I can easily acquire some.
Very much so.
I barely gained much excess water on drol and test.
I dont get too much water retention as it is, but still drol and test has to be the king of water!
I believe that letro is a staple of competitive BB’s these days for ultimate dryness.
Have a question that I cant seem to find an answer for. I live in a cold climate, just getting over two weeks of negative fifty degrees Fahrenheit. Will subjecting my gear, mainly my Test E, to the cold be bad for it?
Hey brook, well done with all the input for the newbies! respect!
Hi Vinnie,
Subjecting your gear to extreme cold may cause crystals to precipitate out of the oil. As was mentioned in another thread (I cannot recall the name right now), just heat it up a bit and everything should go right back into solution. Please do not inject “crashed” gear.
Peace,
Thanks that is just what I needed. I am going to research the velocity diet first.
I’m curious about what kind of gains could be seen with a relatively low oral stack… For instance, dbol at 20/mg per day, 5/d on, 2x/off, for a period of about 5 weeks. I’m hazarding a guess here as I’m still evaluating all info present, I’m wondering if cycling 5 days on 2 off will help keep down water retention and keep side possibilities to a min. It would likely be stacked with deca or winny to help stabilize gains but it is hard to say at this point…
Anyways, not really asking about making a specific cycle, just…
what type of gains would come from a minor dosage 5 week period, with 4 week nolva recoop(about that, not clear if it is taken during every day or simply as needed until the full recovery phase?)
does such a cycle/lowered dosage help to minimize sides and that ‘boy, he sure looks puffed up’ effect that might get a raised eyebrow at work?
nolva… any quick tests to determine if it’s legit? Should I manage to acquire the genuine article for my stack I’d like to know that my safety net isn’t compromised… If there is no such beast I’ll haveta take my chances like the rest, but if there are some quick tests/things noticed about this chem any sharing would be appreciated. This is not something I intend to jump into and I just want to take a month or so of info gathering before considering a plunge.
Thanks!
Davil
Btw, amazing site… This is alllllllot of info to digest but I’m definately going to be able to avoid some pitfalls here with some careful research. Thanks folks!
Hey. I’m brand new to the site and already I’m loving all the great information. I have been cycling for about 3 months now just doing basic popular trend injectables and orals. My last cycle I stacked anadrol 100mg/day and andropen 75 2cc/week. I know anadrol is one of the more powerful orals out there but I did not see the gains I was hoping. I adjusted my diet and trained properly (I am a certified personal trainer).
My dilemma is I am 6’3’’ and putting noticeable size on in a shorter period of time is hard for me. Is there any stack in which I could see the size within 2 months? If so, please tell me because I am gearing up for a competition in June and I’d like to be somewhere around 245 lbs cut and dry. I am 225lbs right now, I know this is an extreme stretch but I am willing to put my body through the torture. Thanks!
20lbs of additional mass while cutting down would require at least (I assume) 30lbs of lean mass gain while simultaneously losing fat…not very easily accomplished my friend. Maybe with a high dose of test and moderate dose of tren stacked with high dose HGH and insulin which you are not qualified to use. Even then it would be a stretch.
[quote]ACFITMED23 wrote:
Hey. I’m brand new to the site and already I’m loving all the great information. I have been cycling for about 3 months now just doing basic popular trend injectables and orals. My last cycle I stacked anadrol 100mg/day and andropen 75 2cc/week. I know anadrol is one of the more powerful orals out there but I did not see the gains I was hoping. I adjusted my diet and trained properly (I am a certified personal trainer).
My dilemma is I am 6’3’’ and putting noticeable size on in a shorter period of time is hard for me. Is there any stack in which I could see the size within 2 months? If so, please tell me because I am gearing up for a competition in June and I’d like to be somewhere around 245 lbs cut and dry. I am 225lbs right now, I know this is an extreme stretch but I am willing to put my body through the torture. Thanks![/quote]
Increase the dose and shorten the length adding a frontload.
For eg, you did 100mg/day drol with 2cc of andropen 75 a week?
Try 750mg test E (2 shots a week first is 650mg, 2nd is 250)
add 400mg deca (2x200mg/wk)
add 50mg dbol (2x 20mg and 1x 10mg)
and if you want further advice on that cycle PM me
Brook