So anyway, how about:
W1-5 Test Enanthate 400mg/week
W6-8 Clomid 50mg/day
W6-8 HCG 1500iu/week
seems like a bit boring straight forward cycles. But my goals are modest, i’ll prolly run this cycle every other month throughout the year. So i guess this is what you’re saying if i HAVE to do roids and not listen to your common sense advise?
Why so much hCG? See my prior post.
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Heh, my girlfriend says: “So you’ve fucked up your body with drugs, and your answer to that is more drugs?” Yep!
Feel free to flame me, i can take it. 
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To be honest if I was that light at your height and wasting away and still losing my hair…
I would just shave that shit and get on some juice.
Better to be bald and strong than have half your hair and be a pussy.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Why so much hCG? See my prior post.[/quote]
I don’t need that much? I read on a lot of sites taht you need those kinds of quantities. Such as this site:
www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm
1500ui seems on the lower side of their recommendation?
The concensus of this forum is 250IU EOD (875IU/w). I used that amount all through my 11 week 550mg/w test cycle and it worked fine. KSman is the resident expert on this.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
The concensus of this forum is 250IU EOD (875IU/w). I used that amount all through my 11 week 550mg/w test cycle and it worked fine. KSman is the resident expert on this.[/quote]
Cool. That’ll save me a wad of cash.
Can you do it oncee a week injections, or do you have to spread them through the week?
EOD is optimal. Subcutaneous shots with an insulin syringe are quick and painless once you get the knack.
You will want to swap the clomid for arimidex my friend.
I feel for you - i worry that this girlfriend may not last the distance also… but if you are aware of that then we are good to go.
4wks on/4wks off - that wont be very effective. Without a frontload test E will take around 4-5 weeks to really get going after building peak drug levels… so stopping then and having just 4 weeks off (only with the exogenous test levels dropping to below supraphysiological during the third of those weeks - disallowing full recovery and ensuring you never are able to come off the drug) will be extremely counteractive to your (or anyones) goals.
HPTA suppression is achieved during and after the third week of use - depending on the drug used - so in order to cycle like you suggested you’d need a 2on40ff cycle like BR pioneered over at MesoRX. This is counter inituitive to the goals and problems you seem to need to use for however, as you need the DHT mainly, so will never be able to cycle on and off… as during the off periods you will lose the gains and become your ‘old’ self quite quickly as no recovery of normal hormones will be anabolic enough to prevent losses.
If you are intent in AAS use you are likely to need TRT maintenance doses of 1-200mg/wk and then cycle up to the higher doses for maximum size increases.
Saying that, i am more than confident that staying on 200mg/wk will be enough for you to not only gain what you lost before but surpass that level quite quickly.
This would mean staying on Testosterone for the duration - forever it would seem, and i cannot possibly try to say that is a good idea to anyone on this forum - as it would be unethical IMO. To the doctor you might need to go.
Brook
Wow. Now if that isn’t a bucket of cold water on my face…
i gotta reassess some shit. Thanks soooo much for your patience Brook.
i’m gonna have a long hard think about whether all this is worth it, and get back to you with some more questions.
i might just have a “trial” period as you suggest with the front-load and see how it goes.
Thanx again!
Just one queston tho,
why the Arimidex instead of Clomid? Don’t i want SOME estrogen in my body because it promotes growth hormone and all the benefits etc… or because you predict my estrogen levels will be so high that i need somethings as strong as Arimi to sort it out?
cheers!
I’m about to do a 12-week cycle of test-e. I’m 25 have been lifting since I was 16, I was Division I college Athlete that has lifted hard under great trainers and consistent for a long time. I’m 6’3" about 225lbs looking to put on solid mass not worried about gettting huge I’m already a decent sized guy I train for MMA and don’t want my weight to jump up to much because it is to hard to carry. So my diet will be strict and to make sure I don’t hold to much excess water. Messed around with some oral winnie, prohormones, and a stupid cycle of tren back in college before I did any research. They all gave me good results but the short usage of winnie and the high side effects of tren and low sex drive, and the mixed opinions on prohormones has led to test-e. My buddy has been on for years with HGH as well and has tried about everything under the sun and says Test-e is what I need and not to bother with anything else like d-bol, deca, tren, untill I need it.
Anyway I used prohormones on and off for a long period of time and got some mild gyno that I cured with letro… I know that I’m prone to it and want help setting up this program so that I don’t get gyno… I have no problem taking letro and feel comfortable with it and have it on hand so I would rather use it then arimadex.
I will be using Test E as I said at 250mg every 3-4 days about 500mg per week for 12 weeks… I have heard conflicting information about when to start your letro, I understand it all but eliminates your estrogen but I’m looking to stay fairly dry and not get that nasty gyno. When i took it before to cure my gyno it worked well and I had no issues with it. Anyway I have heard starting it two weeks prior and running it through the cycle then for pct hitting nolvadex & possibly clomid also but I have heard mix theories on that as well… I plan on doing a Test taper as well can anyone help me with sorting out how I should use the letro in conjunction with the test and the nolva with the pct throughout the cycle including the taper all the while preventing gyno???
I really have been studying but I do not want to make a mistake because I was afraid to ask… Any suggestions or exspiriences that are similar to mine would be appreciated… I dont have hcg, hgh. Only test-e, letro, clomid, nolvadex.
With the 2 week short cycle is there an advantage or disadvantage to using Test Suspension instead of Test Prop?
With oil based injections I use 23g with 1" needle. If I use test susp what is the smallest size needle and gauge I should use?
Also, thanks Furious and Brook for sharing your knowledge!
I’m looking to do a 10 week cycle of Test E 500mg a week and maybe oral winstrol for the last 4 weeks a couple of quick questions,do I NEED nolva in case of gyno or can I take clomid during cycle as a substitute? from what I’ve read it seems liek you can’t take clomid until PCT is this correct? also is ADEX an absolute must or is it optional?
Everything is optional. BUT it is not recommended to start a cycle of any aromatising steroid without adex (or other AI of choice).
Most men will get gynocomastia from the injection of exogenous supraphysiological amounts of Testosterone - some may not but they will definitely have raised estrogen. raised estrogen can and will cause a host of other health and wellbeing issues.
In days gone by when arimidex (etc) was not available or too expensive it was common for BB to use a SERM and Proviron, this is a half decent way to reduce the chance of gynocomastia - not to reduce estrogen, but just prevent gyno in all but the most sensitive individuals.
Now adex and the AI’s (sounds like a rock band from the 80’s) are so affordable and accessable it is wise to use it. A low dose is enough to prevent excessive aromatisation from most low to moderate cycles, and it is totally worth it.
You will still need nolvadex or clomid for your PCT however.
What is the reason for adding the winny at the end?
Are you a fitness competitor?
No, I just know that test enanthate gives you a bloated look,has alot of water retention and you store a little extra fat so I wanted to try and kind of harden up for the end of the cycle.So will clomid combat gyno or does it not work for that because the source im lookin at doesnt seem to have nolva or adex.
I believe i have answered that mate…
To re-phrase it…
Clomid will only block the action of Estrogen at certain receptors, not prevent the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen via Aromatase enzyme.
Clomid will assist the bloat, the fat and Gynocomastia… It is like a band aid where an aromatase inhibitor is like a stitch! 
Most if not all AAS users dont buy their AI from an ‘in-person’ supplier, they order online.
I am trying to say that there are two ways to do this - the correct, safe and best way and the other way.
To use clomid during a cycle instead of an AI due to the reasons you give is the latter…
Research chemical sites sell liquid suspension of AI drugs cheaply as they are not for human consumption - for research testing only.
The generic and branded pills are very very expensive and not commonly used by the masses.
Brook
hey bros just have s a question
where is the best place to get steroids?
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
hey bros just have s a question
where is the best place to get steroids? [/quote]
Your doctor
GTFO with that question. Seriously
nobody answered my question about my test e cycle…I wrote it at the top of the page…Just wanted one of you experts to help me out…with when to start the letro and when to use the nolvadex and clomid with a test taper…as I said I know i’m very prone to estrogen conversion so I wanted to know if starting the letro a week before the first injection would be fine, and if 250mg of test e every 3 days would be fine for 12 weeks then starting my taper…
when do I start the pct in conjuction with my taper and what is reccomended for the letro during the taper and pct… is it okay to run letro all the way until the end of the pct or should I stop taking it somewher along the way??? Help Furious or Brook… been reading your stuff you seem like you have a good grasp of everything
I plan to begin my first cycle which would be 500mg of test for 14 weeks and either 4-6 weeks of d-bol or anadrol. I did extensive research on d-bol and ana as well as talking to people who have used them and they sound fairly similiar.
I am on a budget and looking to gain size and strength, but keep as much of my gains as possible. Which would be the best choice?