this forum needs to be published into a book.
Vets, I need your help …
50 yrs old, sports since youth and lifting/training last 3 years, clean diet last 2.
Relatively good athletic condition. Excellent health.
183cm, 78kg, 12.6%BF
Would like to increase strength and get to 85kg.
Planning on Short Oral cycle (small steady gains under radar screen) as recommended by George earlier.
Drol 50mg 3x/D and Winny 25mg 3x/D (2 on, 2 or 3 off)
Would like some feedback on the following questions:
Nolva just in case, or should I use it on off weeks?
Assuming continued use of Creatine, Glutamine and BCAA is ok, but shold I continue Omega 3 caps (now at 6/day) or will blood thinning become an issue?
Now following Precision Nutrition Diet (4K cals/D)… ok to continue or better even more Carbs?
And finally, would you recommend working out every day to maximize opportunity or taking day off to give more time for growth?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions … P
im a newbie and havent even started my first cycle yet(finding genuine online sources is an adventure) but i even know to never ever do just an oral cycle only…short or long.
[quote]pjw630 wrote:
im a newbie and havent even started my first cycle yet(finding genuine online sources is an adventure) but i even know to never ever do just an oral cycle only…short or long.[/quote]
Oral only cycles are not inherently bad. The reason why they are not often recommended is because there are usually better or more appropriate cycle options for those who want to use steroids. Andarol/winstrol cycles are sucessful for people who know what they are doing.
To the guy with the question about drol/winny cycle; Sorry no experience with that. There are a few threads about it though, do a search.
What sort of PCT should be ran after using sustanon? Ive read because of the long ester it can take months to totaly leave your body. I have plenty of nolva on hand.
you can make progress on oral only cycles but if you are expecting rapid body transformation you need to do a proper cycle.
x2 on using the search cause there is a lot of logs etc on here from people who have done drol/win cycles (also called anastrol by some).
[quote]Kerley wrote:
What sort of PCT should be ran after using sustanon? Ive read because of the long ester it can take months to totaly leave your body. I have plenty of nolva on hand.[/quote]
Nolva is fine, you would wait 4 weeks before starting… or use dbol or prop to ‘bridge’ between the last sust shot and the PCT…
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
Nolva is fine, you would wait 4 weeks before starting… or use dbol or prop to ‘bridge’ between the last sust shot and the PCT…
Brook[/quote]
ok thanks ill do that
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
you can make progress on oral only cycles but if you are expecting rapid body transformation you need to do a proper cycle.
x2 on using the search cause there is a lot of logs etc on here from people who have done drol/win cycles (also called anastrol by some).[/quote]
Thanks George, went through again and found a nice thread from Vic with great input from TB, Bushy, etc …
No, not hoping for too much other than steady gains over some time in order to get to my first target.
I also hit the Med books and it seems that Omega3 caps (even in high doses) will not constitute a problem.
So, I think i’ll go for the drol/win cycle to start with, work like hell to maintain whatever gains I get, and then on a later cycle consider adding var to the mix.
Still 2 questions, if you guys bear with me: better to maximize the on time by working out even more (I’m 6 days/wk now with splits), or put in some rest to aid growth? And, TB wrote to up the carbs but not too much in order to keep puffiness down, is this still valid for a 2wk on cycle?
Thanks again for all of your advice.
Had some free time and had a chance to look through more old posts. I found this suggested:
MILD ORAL
W 1-6 DBol 10mg 3x/D or Var 20mg 3x/d
ORAL STACK
W 1-6 Drol 50mg2x/d and Winny 25mg 2x/d
PCT
W 7-9 Clomid or Nolva
Now, its not exactly what I had planned on as I was looking at a series of 2 wk cycles, but it seems to have been preferred by the group due to the slightly longer cycle length.
Keeping in mind my specific target of approx 15 lbs over 3 months, and as I do have access to var, should I reconsider the 2x3 drol/win cycle?
Thanks again, hoping to do this right (so i keep asking and appreciate your feedback).
Good Day Gentlemen, my name is Deuce? I?ve been training off and on for the past 15 years. I am going to be reaching 40 in a few a months. Since have returning to the gym in the past month I?ve slowly regained my strength and size. It?s a just a matter of time and consistency before I get back to where I once was. Previous cycle Sustaining 250, Decca and D-bo and PCT of Nova and Clomid. The results were great and significant.
This was about 2 years ago when last completed a cycle. This time my goal is to gain 15-25lbs of muscle but maintain at least 10-15lbs of lean muscle. If anyone can provide some guidance it will be deeply appreciated.
This is my projected cycle in the coming weeks please do critique.
Ethanate 250 1-10wk 500mg -
Deca 200mg 1-10wk 400mg
Dbo 5 mg/daily 1- 5wk 25mg daily
Prop 100mg 8-12wk 200mg
EQ ? 8-12wk 100mg
Nov 10mg ? 13 ? 17wk 40mg/4 tabs daily
Clo 50mg - 14-18wk 150mg/3 tabs daily
This is another reserved thread osirisdstephen. Just click on the picture of a stamp on the right hand corner of the top of the first page of the steroids forum to start your own thread.
[quote]osirisdstephen wrote:
Good Day Gentlemen, my name is Deuce? I?ve been training off and on for the past 15 years. I am going to be reaching 40 in a few a months. Since have returning to the gym in the past month I?ve slowly regained my strength and size. It?s a just a matter of time and consistency before I get back to where I once was. Previous cycle Sustaining 250, Decca and D-bo and PCT of Nova and Clomid. The results were great and significant.
This was about 2 years ago when last completed a cycle. This time my goal is to gain 15-25lbs of muscle but maintain at least 10-15lbs of lean muscle. If anyone can provide some guidance it will be deeply appreciated.
This is my projected cycle in the coming weeks please do critique.
Ethanate 250 1-10wk 500mg -
Deca 200mg 1-10wk 400mg
Dbo 5 mg/daily 1- 5wk 25mg daily
Prop 100mg 8-12wk 200mg
EQ ? 8-12wk 100mg
Nov 10mg ? 13 ? 17wk 40mg/4 tabs daily
Clo 50mg - 14-18wk 150mg/3 tabs daily
[/quote]
Youre going to run EQ for four weeks at 100mg/week? WTF?
I don’t have much left from a previous cycle…So what am I do?
drop it all together, and I would also lower your deca to about 300mg/week unless you have ran it before. What is your dose for the prop?
I sorted him out via PM, he should have a pretty good plan now.
This is what I recommended to him if anyone was curious:
W 1-3 Test Prop 100mg EOD
W 1-12 Test Ethanate 250mg 2x/w
W 4-8 Dianabol 25mg per day
W 1-10 Deca 150mg 2x/w
W 1-10 EQ 150mg 2x/w
W 1-14 Adex 0.25mg/d
W 3-12 HCG 250iu E3D
PCT
W 13-18 Test Enth 50mg 2x/w
W 19-22 Slowly Taper Test down to nothing
I really like this cycle…you could drop the EQ and it would still be plenty good…it’s basically just there to help with appetite and to give a little extra pump.
its a test, deca, dbol stack. whats not to like!!!
Brook
Trifecta baby!!!
[quote]Cutler7 wrote:
Hey George,
I think that the use of Adex, Letro and some other AI’s are popular in the US now b/c of cheap availability from research chemical websites. However these substances are harder to get in some countries and they are also expensive as hell in true pharmaceutical form. That being said, 2 questions:
- If one was to do the example cycle of 500mg Test E for 10 weeks is there an option of using a SERM (like nolva) to minimize estrogen effects INSTEAD of an AI (which I know is better but impossible to find compared to nolva). Or other alternative?
- What do you think of stacking 250 mg Test E with a Sustanon 250 a week instead of 2 shots of Test E for 10 weeks? [/quote]
A stack implies using at least 2 different drugs. Sustanon is testerone.