more than a bottle a week? where did you get that? it would be 2mL a week. spaced out in EOD injections. i think you need to do a little more research on the broad spectrum to which testosterone can be applied. the weight you gain will depend on diet and training regimen. it will help you recover super quick in between training sessions therefore you could train harder. Im pretty sure contrl has a few threads you should read on explosivness and aerobic effects with AAS.
Wondering if a cycle side effect, perhaps the liver getting overwhelmed would be getting the shits? The last two weeks my bowels have been loose every single time.
[quote]Bike racer wrote:
Hey Game_over,and muscles101,
Thanks for the replies. To show just how much of a newbie I am, I just need a few things that you’ve mentioned clarified. You said that 250 is too low and that 500 is better for the gains. Since I’m a bicycle racer, huge weight gain is not an option. Some, of course, is essential, but I can’t afford to gain 15-20lbs. Unless I was a muscle bound track cyclist which I’m not. I’m not a pure hillclimber either. I’m a sprinter and time trialist, so I need that extra power. My question to you is, since the bottles of Sust I have are 250mg/10cc. Are you saying that I should do more than a bottle per week? See…that’s how ignorant I am. I’m also doing 100mcg of T3 and and started HGH a month ago at smaller than body building doses. I am 40 after all. But I do look more like 32. What are your thoughts?
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You’re a bicycle racer? So why in the hell are you wanting to take 500mg/week of Sust? If you don’t want to put on a bunch of weight you should stick to something best suited for what you want… Winstrol, var, primo. etc. something that will help keep you lean and not pack on the lbs. Hit the books broski.
ok os no lowering dosages at the end of the cycle i found that i took 1000mgs for 12 weeks dident drop dosage or up dosage and it worked well that was 1000mgs enanthate 600 deca 4ius growth and 10 ius insulin gained about 25 lbs in 3 months
[quote]muscles101 wrote:
ok os no lowering dosages at the end of the cycle i found that i took 1000mgs for 12 weeks dident drop dosage or up dosage and it worked well that was 1000mgs enanthate 600 deca 4ius growth and 10 ius insulin gained about 25 lbs in 3 months [/quote]
Dude, that a heavy cycle! Lets get this straight…was it 1000 mgs total with Enanthat and the Deca or are you saying you took 1000 of Enanthate plus 600 of Deca?
After you lost all the water weight and got rid of the cycle fat, how much weight do you think you really gained in solid muscle?
Say…are there any guys over 40 who write to this site? If so, I would like to hear from them as to what there programs consist of. Since natural test starts to decline in your 30’s, It stands to reason that there must be some differences in how much of certain gear as well as when to administer them. I am a newbie to steroids, but I’ve been racing Bicycles for 18 years and still hold a pro license, although I race age class events now. I don’t want to gain a whole lot of weight, but I do want to gain some muscle mostly below the waist. Alot of upper body muscle is impractical. Abs however, are an exception. I think this question is probably more up Furious Georges’ alley.
it was 1600 total and i went from 178 up to 203 went off went to 195 no lower took one more cycle after that and been of for about 4 monthes and im at 110 where i left off at the end of my cycle i keep my gains never did tell i hit 23 b4 that couldent grow to save my life but iv never gona beyone deca and enanthat never tryed cyp prob test suspention eq or any of that took anadrols one and hurt my stomach
Hey Furiousgeorge on the oral stack could you stack Dbol with the Winny instead of Drol or does it need to be Drol?
Furious George from your pics I think you should increase your training and fix your diet before shooting yourself with steroids. LOL
thanks, great post. after reading that sticky i have decided to wait another 3 years before considering steroids. i was kinda wanting to claim natural for a while longer anyways. i gain muscle too easy anyways i bust ass
How can you say: this is what you should take for your first cycle! people want different things! personally i have researched a lot and i still have a question, i want to go on a cycle of anavar only, but i need help with pct! what should i take? when and how much???
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[quote]RoyKeane12345 wrote:
How can you say: this is what you should take for your first cycle! people want different things! personally i have researched a lot and i still have a question, i want to go on a cycle of anavar only, but i need help with pct! what should i take? when and how much???[/quote]
there isn’t much PCT needed if what you have is actually real anavar because it really doesn’t cause much suppression and you will bounce back pretty quick as long as the cycle is restricted to about 6 weeks. Anavar is pretty heavily faked so chances are you may end up with something more suppressive like dianabol or a mix of winstrol and anadrol. If you really want a PCT take some nolva.
you may get decent gains from it but most find that the gains from anavar are not all that impressive and generally people have a much better experience with doing test only as a first.
at no time do I say that test only is the only option. Just that it has been proven to be the best option.
[quote]Jake DeMichele wrote:
Furious George from your pics I think you should increase your training and fix your diet before shooting yourself with steroids. LOL[/quote]
Are you kidding?!
Look at the depth of that squat! You must be bananas.
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Just a question regarding the timing on test enth…E3D I assume means every 3 days…
Does that mean that if I inject Monday, I inject on Wednesday, or Thursday?
Jeffe…every other day would be shoot Mon. skip tue. shoot WED… so every third day would be shoot MON. skip tues. and wed. shoot THUR.
Alright I’ve read through EVERY page and it’s very helpful. It’s answered ALOT of questions I’ve had but I still have some concerns.
I’m going to be 33 this month, have been training for about 4 years steady, diet is straight, and Test-E has captured my attention. I’m going in to get some blood work done to see what my Test levels are.
Here’s my thoughts/concerns;
What are the cons/risks/side-effects from a Test-E 10 week cycle?
I’ve read this but want to reconfirm - Protein and Creatine intake should be continued as usual - correct?
PCT - Are these only to be taken orally, Any risks/side effects with these and what are people recommending?
Post Cycle - What happens after you’re done with the cycle and PCT? Does your body return to “normal” do you lose what you’ve gained, what changes, what stays the same?
Side from test depend on the dose…I would give you a list of doses and where the different sides come into play but everyone is different…
usual issues are:
acne - this can be controlled usually with a body scrub and dillegent showering…prisoner actually just posted on it at the end of the test taper thread.
hair - if you are prone to hair loss (or body hair growth) this will happen more so on test or any DHT based steroid (some others like Tren it will happen as well).
gyno - this happens at a different dose for everyone. some people get it at low doses (around a half gram/week), others have no problems even when they are running over 2grams/week…for most issues will start up at 500-1000mg/w. it is best to be prepared for this by having nolva on hand or just being proactive and taking arimidex with it to start.
Suppression of natural test - this should be obvious but is of course an issue. anything over 100mg/w will shut most people down…typical dose is 200mg/w for TRT and 500-2000mg/w for bodybuilders so it isw guaranteed unless you are also running HCG.
Protein intake should be increased.
Creatine can be continued as normal.
Nolva and Clomid are both oral drugs so yes.
If you are tapering for your PCT then it is injected as normal you just decrease the dose…read the test taper thread to fully understand it. most who have tried this method like it better.
If your PCT goes well you should be back to normal before it is over and all you will lose is the extra water you were carrying around…if your PCT goes poorly you will have a suppressed libido for a couple of months, lose all the muscle mass you gained, and gain fat in the process. so you can see it is important to do it as best you can.
hey guys I’m new on the forum, I’m 20, 5’11 190, and i swim competitively. I was looking at cycle for the summer that will bulk me up and give significant strength gains as well as be clean from my system by the time September comes… this is what i came up with 4 weeks dbol 30mg/day and 4 weeks winny 50mg/day, and that stacked with the first 6 weeks test prop 100 mg and last 2 clenbuteral 40mcg-100mcg a day (progressivly adding)…
should i come off with hcg and clomid, or is the hcg unnessacary and just stick to clomid? and does anybody know the detection times for those ive heard only a week or so because of short half life of each