Steroid Newbie Cycle Planning

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I KNOW THAT THIS THREAD IS OLD BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR OPINIONS ON THE CYCLE I AM RUNNING. PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR OPINIONS.

I WAS KINDA HOPING FURIOUSGEORGE COULD ANSWER.

THANKS,

week, test-andropen, clen, var
1, 275mg/2WICE WK
2, 275mg/2WICE WK
3, 275mg/2WICE WK , 20-60mcg/day, 30mg/day
4, 275mg/2WICE WK , 60-120mcg/day, 30mg/day

week ,test-andropen, win (oil based)
5, 275mg/2WICE WK , 100mg/EOD

week, test-prop,var, clen,win (oil based)
6, 100mg/E3D,50mg/day, 100mg/EOD
7, 100mg/E3D,50mg/day, 20-60mcg/day,100mg/EOD
8, 100mg/E3D,50mg/day, 60-120mcg/day,100mg/EOD
9, 100mg/E3D

*arimidex .25mgs/EOD wks 1-12

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This probably isn’t going to go over well considering the multiple requests to do otherwise but I’m kinda desperate. Maybe someone could at least point me in the right direction of where the quickest place to get info is considering I have NO TIME to do any research before I need to take action.

My situation- low T levels and have a legitimate Dr. and already have a filled script for T-Proprionate that the doc wants to start me on in the next few days. My concerns and things I’m begging for help on:

  1. I wanna have another kid… would 1 2000mg bottle administered in 200mg shots over a few months make me sterile?
  2. I don’t want to suffer from estrogen effects and was wondering if there is anything over the counter I could use.
  3. I’ve worked out plenty in the past but don’t belong to a gym and I’m not joining one, but I would like to take advantage of the fact i have a legit script for T… thinking of that “P-90X” program… not to become superman but just to shed a few pounds of fat and add some muscle.
  4. I have an unused script for androgel and was wondering if it should be used in conjunction to help with #3
  5. I will do the right thing diet-wise and stick to an at-home program to maximize effects if there is ANY worthwhile gains to be had doing things this way.
  6. My T is like 80 -very low- but I’m happy and otherwise healthy and if I’m going to see absolutely no gains maybe I should just skip the injections altogether and accept my fate.
  7. What’s the deal with drinking while getting injections?
  8. I think the doc wants to do 200mg like every 3 weeks- too low to even bother with anything? Even if I sneak a little androgel in there?
  9. What’s the deal with hair loss if you get injections? I’m 36 with all my hair and if I am going to have a significant risk of baldness for messing with injections and see ZERO gains then probably will not do it.
  10. What would you do in my situation? I am getting the stuff for free ($5 copay) but if I am going to see nothing why bother?

Thanks… I know there are a lot of you dudes that put your time, money, and life into taking this seriously and may look at a guy like me as a waste of your forum but I could really use some advice from experienced folks. Again, this is all 100% legit and I just need to make an informed decision because my Dr. (endocrinologist) doesn’t do a lot of TRT. Help me if you can, and thank you!

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[quote]Santoochio wrote:
This probably isn’t going to go over well considering the multiple requests to do otherwise but I’m kinda desperate. Maybe someone could at least point me in the right direction of where the quickest place to get info is considering I have NO TIME to do any research before I need to take action.

My situation- low T levels and have a legitimate Dr. and already have a filled script for T-Proprionate that the doc wants to start me on in the next few days. My concerns and things I’m begging for help on:

  1. I wanna have another kid… would 1 2000mg bottle administered in 200mg shots over a few months make me sterile?
  2. I don’t want to suffer from estrogen effects and was wondering if there is anything over the counter I could use.
  3. I’ve worked out plenty in the past but don’t belong to a gym and I’m not joining one, but I would like to take advantage of the fact i have a legit script for T… thinking of that “P-90X” program… not to become superman but just to shed a few pounds of fat and add some muscle.
  4. I have an unused script for androgel and was wondering if it should be used in conjunction to help with #3
  5. I will do the right thing diet-wise and stick to an at-home program to maximize effects if there is ANY worthwhile gains to be had doing things this way.
  6. My T is like 80 -very low- but I’m happy and otherwise healthy and if I’m going to see absolutely no gains maybe I should just skip the injections altogether and accept my fate.
  7. What’s the deal with drinking while getting injections?
  8. I think the doc wants to do 200mg like every 3 weeks- too low to even bother with anything? Even if I sneak a little androgel in there?
  9. What’s the deal with hair loss if you get injections? I’m 36 with all my hair and if I am going to have a significant risk of baldness for messing with injections and see ZERO gains then probably will not do it.
  10. What would you do in my situation? I am getting the stuff for free ($5 copay) but if I am going to see nothing why bother?

Thanks… I know there are a lot of you dudes that put your time, money, and life into taking this seriously and may look at a guy like me as a waste of your forum but I could really use some advice from experienced folks. Again, this is all 100% legit and I just need to make an informed decision because my Dr. (endocrinologist) doesn’t do a lot of TRT. Help me if you can, and thank you![/quote]

ok not make u sterile,I had 2 kids while on TRT

yes use the androl gel till its gone,

drinking has zero affect…

normally its 200mg every other week,just do 100 every week

Ive seen no hair loss at all
also many use and will tell you u anti estrogen,I have not needed it…

Ive suffered no ill affects,gained weight right away,and thats about it,I sleep better also
my levels where 190 when I started,now they stay around 600-700 on 100 every week
will this make u superman…no…will it hurt you no…I ended buying my own test and now I do 300mg a week,…hope this helps…

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i’m planning on running my second cycle this summer (starting in may). im planning on test cyp and tren e. i will be looking for leanness and dryness throughout. I was wondering what ancillaries should be used throughout. ive read and heard quite a few different opinions on using ratios of test to tren and running something like arimidex throughout. or should i not even think about using tren for a second cycle?

any thoughts? thanks.

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[quote]mobrallica wrote:
i want to bulk up but i dont want the moon face (extra water rentention).last time i took enant,dbol,deca,colmid,arimidex and the results was good but 4 the 2nd go round i just dont want so much weight in the face,So what should i take?

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use test c and turinabol. turinabol works a lot like dbol but it doesn’t aromatize so no water retention. make sure you run nolva with it! good luck!..(this was my first cycle!)

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[quote]jk703 wrote:

[quote]mobrallica wrote:
i want to bulk up but i dont want the moon face (extra water rentention).last time i took enant,dbol,deca,colmid,arimidex and the results was good but 4 the 2nd go round i just dont want so much weight in the face,So what should i take?

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use test c and turinabol. turinabol works a lot like dbol but it doesn’t aromatize so no water retention. make sure you run nolva with it! good luck!..(this was my first cycle!)[/quote]

You’re a fucking 'tard. You don’t run a SERM on cycle. I love how practically everybody in this thread neglected to read the fucking stickies.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]jk703 wrote:

[quote]mobrallica wrote:
i want to bulk up but i dont want the moon face (extra water rentention).last time i took enant,dbol,deca,colmid,arimidex and the results was good but 4 the 2nd go round i just dont want so much weight in the face,So what should i take?

[/quote]

use test c and turinabol. turinabol works a lot like dbol but it doesn’t aromatize so no water retention. make sure you run nolva with it! good luck!..(this was my first cycle!)[/quote]

You’re a fucking 'tard. You don’t run a SERM on cycle. I love how practically everybody in this thread neglected to read the fucking stickies.[/quote]

lol this made my day…

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I’m about to start my first cycle of Eq only at 600mg a week for ten weeks I’ve done some research over the last few weeks and I’ve decided that this would probably be best for what i am trying to do as I am not a body builder. What I’m looking to increase recovery, stamina and speed as well as strength but strength is really secondary. I dont really have access to very many ancilliaries just clomid. My questions are.

  1. At what point after the cycle should I start to use the clomid?

  2. If I decide to do another cycle how long should I wait after doing this one?

I’m 32 years old 180lbs 5’11 and been training in my sport for 3yrs

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I’ve already done a couple basic cycles of just test and dbol and want to try something new. I want to do a cycle for about 10 weeks. I had wanted to try Decca for its benefits but I’m not able to run a cycle for 12-14 weeks because of all the traveling that I do. I was thinking about running 50mg dbol a day for 4 weeks, 500mg cypionate and 500mg of equipose a week, .5mg arimidex a day, 50mg winny a day for 4 weeks at the end, and then a post cycle. How does that sound for a third cycle?

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I’m 45 and have been training hard since I was 16. Ive never been able to get cut do to my diet and not realizing how important it is, so now I have a very low carb diet and take in about 200mg of protein a day.I do a half hour of cardio every other day after i train. My last testosterone test was 125 , which is very low. I had no gains and was always tired. I have always thought of taking steroids but just never did till now.As of right now My doctor is giving me 70mg a week of Androgel.

I feel a lot better and Im getting stronger but very slow. The Gel is a pain in the ass because if you shower you take the dose off until the next day when you reapply. I have spoken to several guys who say ask for the 100mg shot of test a week which would be much more effective as a first cycle will this have a big enough impact any thoughts? I have some other options such as sustanon and winstrol. I’m getting so many different views on Sustanon 250 as far as having a bloating effect. Has anybody found this to be true for them ?as far as winstrol I read that it is great before the summer or for pre contest and I have read its poison for some guys so my head is spinning. Any thoughts ?

My goals are to become stronger and much more ripped and vascular but not to sure which direction i should go… Thanks

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Wait so do all of you guys agree that steroids are the way to go?

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You are in the steroid forum.

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Hi guys,
A very informative post on the first cycle of steroids.I advice you all people to use the steroids with great amount of care.Try to use a natural method like increasing food etc but don’t use steroids.The main reason is that it leads to liver damage as well increase the cholesterol level of the body.

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AGE: 25
5’8
195 lbs
16% BF
Bench 375
Squat 350
deadlift 425

FIRST CYCLE
Test enth 500mg/wk wk1-10
Winny (oral) 50mg ED wk10-14

PCT
LiquiNolv 40/40/20/20 wk14-18
LiquiClomid on hand not sure how much to take with the nolv wks 14-18

Questions are really aimed at guys who are in the military like me an have been successful with deployment cycles.

GOAL
Im trying to get a great increase in strength an at the end look very hard at the end of the cycle which will also be the end of my term an time to go home ( want to look amazing )

ISSUES
1.Somtimes i am out chasing down haj for 3-4 days at a time , Obviously this will mess up my gains but as long as im busting my ass when im inside the wire i should still see some good gains?

  1. Obviously i have no room for error on Gyno an other sides going to a medic could be the end of my carreer if found using Steroids my question is if i start to feel gyno tenderness etc in the begining weeks how much nolva should i start taking daily within those 1-14 wks along with the Test/winny?

  2. Arimidex above FuriousGeorge you recommend .25 with the Test through the whole cycle I dont have arimidex an the supply out here in trashganistan is limited to none an mail is very slow DO MOST of you use arimidex in the 1-10wks Test portion of the cycle or is this just recommended?

  3. ITS REALLY nasty here an the water is disgusting for showering im expecting some super bad Acne which is fine there is no ladies out here worth impressing but Soaps that you recommend or body wash.

  4. I get tons of shots before an after deployments ranging from anthrax- yellow fever, an all are administered in the upper portion of my arm is there any issue with injecting 250mgtest on Tuesdays in say my left upper arm an then 250mg on friday on my upper right arm an repeating this process the whole cycle the reason i want to avoid injections in my legs an ass is im constantly being dropped off into some nasty haj ditch or chasing the bastards into some shit field falling an the sweat an dirt in my uniform is more on my legs then arms.

  5. Say i am out to long an i miss my shot on friday but am able to get it in on saturday or even sunday am i gonna get immediate shut down or go into depression or worse?

  6. FOOD , isnt on the most healthy side specially when sometimes having to eat MRE’s. but i have plenty of protien an could instead of eating some of the spaghetti nights just take in more shakes?
    i really dont want to have the fat bloated look specially when i go home an i know diet is a HUGE part of all this but im just thinking of what i can do

All advice is welcome very awesome thread i learned alot just thought id ask some questions pertaining to the limits an cautions of being over seas for the future guy on deployment with these same issues Thanks again!

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Being that I’m in the military as well I could see some concerns. When I was in the military I did a cycle when I was deployed.

  1. You should gain a lot even if your going to be gone 3-4 days at a time. I gained around 20-25lbs in my year that I was gone. What I would do if that is happening frequently, the days when your on base do two body parts a day one in the morning and one in the afternoon. Do like a big muscle group in the morning and a small one at night or vice versa. This way you if your gone a lot, you can get full body workouts in and then when your on a mission, you’ll be getting plenty of rest before you lift again.
  2. If you can’t get the Armidex for gyno issues you could take nova instead maybe around 10mgs a day to see how your body responds and take it till you don’t need it anymore.
  3. The armidex just helps prevent possible negative side effects and helps with testosterone absorption. You don’t need it but it is recommended. I’ve never had side effects so I’ve never needed PCT or anything but always have it.
  4. Sorry never had much for acne with my cycles but I agree those showers suck!
  5. I would definitely not recommend taking shots in the arm. I know some bodybuilders will but it’s not a safe place to do it especially if you’re a beginner. Just get a small needle like 25ga and you’ll be fine.
  6. You obviously want to be as consistent as possible with your shots but i’ve missed days before and it hasn’t affected me. That test you are taking has a longer half life, so if you miss a shot by a day you won’t notice any issues.
  7. Take it easy on the protein shakes. You don’t want to be taking like 7 a day. There great replacements for meals if needed but with as much energy your burning over there those MRE’s will give enough calories so you won’t be wasting muscle. Also anything you can grab for the defac like nuts, dried fruit, and PB and J’s are great food sources that you can bring with you to avoid the high calorie MRE’s. Also I ordered a lot of food when I was overseas. You can get all kinds of dried fruit and nuts from websites that will stay fresh in the mail.

Our rooms never got searched so hopefully you won’t either. Good luck though and take advantage of the tour and lift a ton so no one can recognize you when you get back!

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[quote]jerometjosvold wrote:
Being that I’m in the military as well I could see some concerns. When I was in the military I did a cycle when I was deployed.

  1. You should gain a lot even if your going to be gone 3-4 days at a time. I gained around 20-25lbs in my year that I was gone. What I would do if that is happening frequently, the days when your on base do two body parts a day one in the morning and one in the afternoon. Do like a big muscle group in the morning and a small one at night or vice versa. This way you if your gone a lot, you can get full body workouts in and then when your on a mission, you’ll be getting plenty of rest before you lift again.
  2. If you can’t get the Armidex for gyno issues you could take nova instead maybe around 10mgs a day to see how your body responds and take it till you don’t need it anymore.
  3. The armidex just helps prevent possible negative side effects and helps with testosterone absorption. You don’t need it but it is recommended. I’ve never had side effects so I’ve never needed PCT or anything but always have it.
  4. Sorry never had much for acne with my cycles but I agree those showers suck!
  5. I would definitely not recommend taking shots in the arm. I know some bodybuilders will but it’s not a safe place to do it especially if you’re a beginner. Just get a small needle like 25ga and you’ll be fine.
  6. You obviously want to be as consistent as possible with your shots but i’ve missed days before and it hasn’t affected me. That test you are taking has a longer half life, so if you miss a shot by a day you won’t notice any issues.
  7. Take it easy on the protein shakes. You don’t want to be taking like 7 a day. There great replacements for meals if needed but with as much energy your burning over there those MRE’s will give enough calories so you won’t be wasting muscle. Also anything you can grab for the defac like nuts, dried fruit, and PB and J’s are great food sources that you can bring with you to avoid the high calorie MRE’s. Also I ordered a lot of food when I was overseas. You can get all kinds of dried fruit and nuts from websites that will stay fresh in the mail.

Our rooms never got searched so hopefully you won’t either. Good luck though and take advantage of the tour and lift a ton so no one can recognize you when you get back![/quote]

haha thanks man, one other thing i didnt mention as im coming home an the cycle is ending obviously ill be at the end of my PCT the libido an drive to slay some ass is gonna definatly be there right?

i went ahead an made my own POST for this because i wanted more military vets to see it

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Some people are different. Sometimes the side effects hit people hard and others (luckily me) don’t get anything. I’ve had friends that have had issues getting up after a cycle but my sh*t has always worked. I start taking my nova right away and it seems to work. Besides a year in Iraq with military girls and I’m sure when you get home you will have no issues keeping it up lol.

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Welcome Newbie,

First off please don’t email me asking for juice connections, I don’t have any to give out. I am happy to help people with cycle plans but won’t hook you up with a connection. I am not a medical professional, just a dude that knows a lot about juice so take my advice as just that.

Happy lifting.

FG[/quote]

Where do so many get the anti-aromatase you mentioned like Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg. I mean give some sort of hint to help out like an url from some third party server or whatever.

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[quote]I don’t want to find about juice connections but how & where do so many get the anti-aromatase you mentioned like Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg. I mean give some sort of hint to help out like an url from some third party server or whatever. I’m lost on that.
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Nolva and Clomid are not anti-aromatase fyi.

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[quote]IdolHands wrote:

[quote]I don’t want to find about juice connections but how & where do so many get the anti-aromatase you mentioned like Nolva 20mg 2x/d or Clomid 50mg. I mean give some sort of hint to help out like an url from some third party server or whatever. I’m lost on that.
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Nolva and Clomid are not anti-aromatase fyi.[/quote]

Is there a book that spells this information out in an outlined logical fashion? The forum is super but it just goes round and round and round sometimes.

In a previous post I was answered with:

  1. I would seriously be willing to bet $500 (heck maybe even a $1,000) that the Urologist will be of no help. Do a quick search for urologist in this forum and see how many have been helpful to those here. You need to find a local HRT doc. Have you read the finding a doc sticky? Have you called around to any local compounding pharmacies and asked for a referral?

  2. 200mg a week is crazy - and will drive your estradiol through the roof killing any possibility of symptom improvement. Have you read the injection protocol sticky? Do you know what your body does with excess T? like aromatase excess T to Estradiol. What do you think massive amounts of estrogen are going to do to you →