[quote]Cutler7 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to tell everyone that that Sustanon is testosterone! A blend of test esters similar to blends of Omnadren, Sten, etc…and not a single ester.
My questions were specifically about serms/ai’s and mixing single and multi ester blends of test. If you have experience in that let me know. [/quote]
Mixing a single ester and a blend is essentially still a blend. You are just adding a 5th different ester to the sustanon blend. What’s the point of the second question then? If you need to shoot sustanon every other day, why would you add Test E to the mix? Makes absolutely no sense.
Regarding your SERM vs. AI question. If a SERM is the only possible choice for estrogen control it is better than nothing. It will do nothing for controlling systemic levels of estrogen, however.
Might want to check that attitude as well. No one owes you anything.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Cutler7 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to tell everyone that that Sustanon is testosterone! A blend of test esters similar to blends of Omnadren, Sten, etc…and not a single ester.
My questions were specifically about serms/ai’s and mixing single and multi ester blends of test. If you have experience in that let me know.
Mixing a single ester and a blend is essentially still a blend. You are just adding a 5th different ester to the sustanon blend. What’s the point of the second question then? If you need to shoot sustanon every other day, why would you add Test E to the mix? Makes absolutely no sense.
Regarding your SERM vs. AI question. If a SERM is the only possible choice for estrogen control it is better than nothing. It will do nothing for controlling systemic levels of estrogen, however.
Might want to check that attitude as well. No one owes you anything. [/quote]
Hey BONEZ,
Good points, thanks for answering. Wasn’t trying to be a dick with the test comment. Just trying to put something together again with limited supplies. Again the answers are appreciated. Cheers.
[quote]osirisdstephen wrote:
Is it worth it to mix Prop and Test E?[/quote]
Prop can be used to kickstart a cycle comprised of longer estered drugs. It would be silly to use both Prop and E for the duration of a 10 week cycle though, for example. I’m not sure I can say whether or not it is worth it, that would depend on the individual case.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
osirisdstephen wrote:
Is it worth it to mix Prop and Test E?
Prop can be used to kickstart a cycle comprised of longer estered drugs. It would be silly to use both Prop and E for the duration of a 10 week cycle though, for example. I’m not sure I can say whether or not it is worth it, that would depend on the individual case.
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I agree - really you’d use one or the other, if you want to inject ED and have the quicker results and a shorter cycle (potentially), then use prop. If you want less injects 2-3/wk then use enanthate.
For what its worth i frontload both drugs anyway so 6-8 weeks is plenty for me.
After 3 fucking months i start to get fucking bored of not gaining anymore because all has been gained by week 10 un frontloaded and also the not looking forward to a long painful PCT.
6 week or maybe 8wk cycles done exclusively can build a fantastic physique IMPO.
I’m not Brook, but I know him well enough to understand his meaning. He frontloads on the first dose of test e or even a short ester like prop (for even faster activation).
The general calculation is:
Frontload = (weekly dose * ester half life days / days in week) + interval dose
Eg.: Test E @ 500mg/w (250mg 2x/w)
(500 * 5 / 7) + 250 = 600mg
So if you are injecting test e on Mon. & Thurs - on week 1 you inject 600mg on Monday and 250mg on Thursday. Then 250mg on each following Monday & Thursday for the full duration.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I’m not Brook, but I know him well enough to understand his meaning. He frontloads on the first dose of test e or even a short ester like prop (for even faster activation).
The general calculation is:
Frontload = (weekly dose * ester half life days / days in week) + interval dose
Eg.: Test E @ 500mg/w (250mg 2x/w)
(500 * 5 / 7) + 250 = 600mg
So if you are injecting test e on Mon. & Thurs - on week 1 you inject 600mg on Monday and 250mg on Thursday. Then 250mg on each following Monday & Thursday for the full duration.[/quote]
Thanks for the answer. One more thing. Would the front loading of Test E in this way make it possible to reduce the cycle duration to 6(?)-8 weeks because decent blood levels elevate much quicker? Instead of running the standard 10-12 Test E weeks while waiting for them to come up during weeks 1-3?
Yes. I recommend 6-8 week for Test E as ideal, especially frontloaded.
That duration allows you to stay focused and start your recovery before diminishing returns result. This way you can recover and start a second cycle sooner and get more gains from two short cycles than one long one.
I am currently doing a 6 week cycle of 700mg/w test e. I frontloaded with 700mg on my first inject and I use 200mg EOD. I used around .25mg of Adex EOD. I have hCG, but decided not to use it since the cycle is short.
The only issue with test e is that you have to wait two weeks after your last shot before beginning PCT. That is how long it takes for this ester to clear adequately from your system before blood level is low enough for suppression to end and your HPTA to kick back in.
I decided to use dbol in weeks 5-8 (two weeks with test e and two weeks after ending test e) to extract maximum productivity from those two weeks when my blood level of test e will be declining. Since dbol has a very short half life, I can start my PCT the next day after my last dbol tab.
The same can be done with test prop. You could use it during weeks 7-8 while the test e is level is falling. Since Prop is a short ester, you could start your PCT very soon after your last shot of prop (about 2 days).
Even if you don’t use an oral or short ester injectable during your two wait weeks, your 6-8 week test e cycle will be fine.
If you want to use Test E go for 8 weeks; even with a frontload.
If you want to do a 6 week cycle use Prop.
This is especially true if it is your first time. Some people don’t respond to E for a good 4 weeks. Even with a frontload the results will be proportionately delayed for a person that responds slowly.
If you know you are someone that sees results from E in 2-3 weeks (without a frontload) then forget what I said and go by what works for you.
T-bol or Winny tabs should work fine as they both have comparable half lives to dbol. You may not get the power you would fromdbol, but you would get less bloat too. Probably a good compromise. You could also dose slightly lower for any weeks that overlap the test e weeks; then increase the dose a little the first week there is no test e; and finally increase it again in the last week where blood level of test e is lower yet.
Are you in the USA? It is easy to get an AI there. I will leave the SERM estro control question to others.
[quote]Cutler7 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to tell everyone that that Sustanon is testosterone! A blend of test esters similar to blends of Omnadren, Sten, etc…and not a single ester.
My questions were specifically about serms/ai’s and mixing single and multi ester blends of test. If you have experience in that let me know. [/quote]
Well, IF we’re being cunty about the subject - Which seems to be the case then- Actually the blends of sust USED to differ and are now identical.
i was gonna use test 250 a week and 25 mg winny a day. i don the test deca before and put on rediculous strength and size. i dont want to get much bigger or gain much more wieght. is this enough to get decent results as far as strength without bloat. im 30yrs old 6’8 225
Alright guys, looking for some help. Been training hard on and off for ten years. I’m about to start my 4th run with gear. I tore my shoulder last Jan.
Light duty in the gym until about May, started going at it hard again and in august started my 3rd run. At the time i ran 500mg/sust/every 5 days with 200mg/EQ as well. Gains were great as usual. 3900 to 4200 Calories a day, 380-400 grams of protein, 325-350 grms carbs. I was unable to get my PCT for this run( i know i should have waited till i had it).
i was on for 8 weeks. I was relocated with work and life just happened and i pissed around the gym for three months, stress, etc. I snapped back into reality and started hitting it like a madman at the new year, caloric intake is good, quality of food is good, sleep could be better.
I am unable to get good pumps for the first time in years. What little i do diminishes in an half hour after i leave the gym. Muscle bellies that grow good/stay full are not. I have also retained water around my waste where i usally wouldn’t.
Did missing the PCT this time F me up? I’m about to start 10 weeks of cyp, with 4 weeks of EQ and sust, and incorporating winny towards the end. I’m 5’8" 206, 29 years old. Any ideas as too what’s up?
Did missing the PCT this time F me up? I’m about to start 10 weeks of cyp, with 4 weeks of EQ and sust, and incorporating winny towards the end. I’m 5’8" 206, 29 years old. Any ideas as too what’s up?[/quote]
Why are you running EQ for 4 weeks in that cycle? That’s just a waste. By the time it starts to kick in you will be off of it. Either run it for atleast 10 weeks or don’t run it at all.
I apologize EastCoaster. I did not specify the amount/dosages. I am considering a normal run (8-10 weeks) compressed into 4 weeks looking for exponential progress. I am starting to consider i am suffering from a low test count due to common side effects i am seeing and responses from my body. Doctor’s visit coming soon. I do agree with your point however. The sust will be employed at the beginning with the cyp. for an obvious kick start.
This time i have the PCT in hand. Do you have an opinion on the PCT issue I mentioned earlier? Thanks for your opinion regarding the other.
Take the time to research a source and get an AI before embarking on your cycle. It is not difficult. Google Research Chemical and Adex and you will find several sites.
thanks, i’vr actually had someone help me so i should be alright now, i’m gonna run the adex as suggested on here (W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg Every Other Day - reduce to 0.125mg Every Other Day in last week). think it was a little too naive of me to not look further into it.