Steroid Myths and Teenagers

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Fuck my previous post, I’m flaming you properly.

[quote]andrewc1989 wrote:

You’re not sure whether you would? You’re a disgrace.

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He means he wouldn’t help a 104 lb teenager, it’s a figure of speech. You don’t know him well enough to call him a disgrace.

There are very few “absolute” laws (ideas/rules)
That is not one of them. By using the word “teenager” are you encenuating that once a person is 20 they are fine to mix with steroids?

O RLY? I don’t think that’s what he said. I think he said if a teenager is mature, knows what they’re doing, and can put forth a serious training routine and diet, they might be able to handle a beginner steroid cycle. How is it naiive? Naiive would be saying it’s ok for teenagers to take steroids because adults aren’t responsible either.

Is it? Please try to answer it for us, Plato. We are not talking about philosophical “true” maturity, we are talking about maturity with training, diet, bodybuilding, and steroids.

First of all, any idiot can gain 20-30 lbs from a beginner cycle.
Second, who said makavali thinks life is about risking their own health? Where the fuck did you get that?

You think the responsible use of steroids is risking your life? Driving a car is risking your life, it’s about personal choice.
This part of your post alone makes you look like an idiot, Why are you downplaying steroids as a temporary physical advantage and 10 extra pounds of meat?
Go put your 6pack avatar on myspace or something.

For any teenager, idiot.

no one needs steroids. Are you saying any person who uses steroids is not mature, since he/she doesn’t realize they don’t NEED them?

ergo any teenager? WHAT?
Who is TRULY mature, plato? What makes someone “truly mature”?

It’s not a maturity epiphany. We are saying that the threshold for blindly approving steroid use should not be based on the age of 21, it should be based on maturity (see my above definition of maturity in the context of steroid use and bodybuilding)
Writing this post for me, has been humorous.

This is true for everyone. Fortunately, with appropriate care taken, these side affects can almost always be avoided. For everyone. Even teens.

To some, it is. Same for adults. That’s why it’s called “RESPONSIBLE STEROID USE”

Legal troubles are the least of any individual user’s worries. Gov’t does not really go after individual users, just dealers.

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The answer is no.

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umm… FAIL.

That makes no sense. How is he admitting he isn’t mature?

Your arguments make no sense. You’ve thrown in laws of physics and philosophical questions, and totally butchered the use of them.

Go to bb.com, you’ll find friends there.

MODS: I’ve had to edit this several times, it’s not a repost

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I fail at multi quoting a post.

Shit./

Edit…

Figured it out.

Also, Not trying to make a flametrain bushy (that was a comical name you made up, btw! )

Reading this guy’s post made my blood boil. I’ve talked with makavali before and I know he’s a smart guy, and this guy was making a fool of himself on a topic I’m pretty sensitive about, insulting a guy that’s my friend along the way.

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[quote]Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Agreed! However, I think the OP’s point of starting this thread was not to condone teenage AAS use (SO PLEASE DONT HEAR THAT TEENS), It was simply to shed some light on a very touchy issue.

Correct
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Well, if that was true, then the title of this thread should have been something like “Talking to Teens about AAS” or “The Best Way to Educate a Teen on Steroids”. The very fact that “Steroid Myths” was in the title implies that the general consensus around what people in their teens are told about steroids has no basis in fact. That they are just urban legends or myths.

This may not have been the intention but it does seem to be at work in many posts.

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Here are my stats

Age: 18
Height: 5’ 11"
Weight: 185
Body fat: 18%
Bench Max: 270
Squat Max: 275

I eat 6 to 7 meals a day. I always get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. I train 5 days a week and do cardio on weekends. I do a mix of heavy sets and light sets with low and high reps. I also get a lot of sleep.

Mon: Chest
Tue: Back
Wed: Shoulders
Thu: Legs
Fri: Arms

I am considering taking omnevol or tren pills and an anti-estrogen. Can anyone give advice on whether or not I should take this.

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[quote]dedicated18 wrote:
Here are my stats

Age: 18
Height: 5’ 11"
Weight: 185
Body fat: 18%
Bench Max: 270
Squat Max: 275

I eat 6 to 7 meals a day. I always get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. I train 5 days a week and do cardio on weekends. I do a mix of heavy sets and light sets with low and high reps. I also get a lot of sleep.

Mon: Chest
Tue: Back
Wed: Shoulders
Thu: Legs
Fri: Arms

I am considering taking omnevol or tren pills and an anti-estrogen. Can anyone give advice on whether or not I should take this.[/quote]

Start your own thread, post a pic or two and don’t expect us to research it all out for you. Give what dose, what drug and PCT and we’ll critique.

But at 18, 185 @ 18%BF I’d say no, don’t. You’d weigh all of 155-160lbs if you lost a lot of that fat.

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[quote]andrewc1989 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
Pics and stats shouldn’t matter. As reasons stated earlier, I don’t see the relevance. Goals are definitely important as you have to know what direction you’re headed.

I’m not sure I’d help a 104lbs skinny fat teen with a Steroid cycle. If he posts fake pics, that’s his call, and liability shifts away from this board. The risk of lying is still there, but greatly reduced.

You’re not sure whether you would? You’re a disgrace. Steroids and teenagers just don’t mix. Period. THat is an absolute. If you are going to make claims paralleling relativism, you have to prepare for the slippery slope that follows. Saying it’s ok for one teenager to take steroids if he is serious about training or has a true goal in mind is pretty naiive. What constitutes true maturity is a inherently difficult question, I’d honestly question the maturity of people like you, who seem to think life is about risking your own health and potenitally teenagers, provided it gives them a temporary physical advantage and ten pounds of extra meat. Part of maturity by any teenager is knowing that he/she does not need steroids, and ergo any teenager taking steroids isn’t truly mature. I find it so humorous that people relate steroid use to some kind of maturity epiphany.
Part of the concern isn’t whether steroids do stunt growth, alter endocrine functions permanently, cause organ failure etc…We all know these effects are GREATLY exaggerated. The question is CAN steroids cause these complications, and the answer of course is yes. The moral and ethical question becomes, is a few extra slabs of meat worth the risk a teen could potentially face? (even if it may be small), such as breaking the law and potenitally facing legal trouble, and other possible and potential health concerns? The answer is no.

If you consider yourself mature, by your own admission, you’re not.[/quote]

Well sir, you definately bring a very strong opinion to this thread! I do however, beg to differ on some of your points.

First you say “Steroids and teenagers just don’t mix. Period. That is an absolute.” Well the fact of the matter is that there are very smart and responsible teens out there who are using AAS who are ending up in better health all around than before they started. So to say teens and steroids dont mix is an absolute is very incorrect.

Secondly, maturity is not defined by people who take risks. Actually, life is all about taking risks. We all take them in some way or another.

Thirdly, you say “Part of maturity by any teenager is knowing that he/she does not need steroids, and ergo any teenager taking steroids isn’t truly mature.” Can you actually say that anyone, with the exception of those with medical issues, really NEED steroids? ENERYONE (not just teens) can make positive changes to thier bodies without the use of steroids.

Lastly, you say “The moral and ethical question becomes, is a few extra slabs of meat worth the risk a teen could potentially face? (even if it may be small), such as breaking the law and potenitally facing legal trouble, and other possible and potential health concerns? The answer is no.” Everyone who uses steroids without prescription face these same issues, not just teenagers.

Singling out teenagers and putting them in a class of their own is like singling out a particlar race a saying they shouldnt use steroids because of their race! Sure, the risks of teenage AAS use is greater than those of healthy adult males, but its all RISKS. Bottom line is, any and everyone who uses AAS are potentially risking their health. So regardless of your age, you better educate yourself enough so that if you do decide to use them, you can do so in the safest manner possible!

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[quote]dedicated18 wrote:
Here are my stats

Age: 18
Height: 5’ 11"
Weight: 185
Body fat: 18%
Bench Max: 270
Squat Max: 275

I eat 6 to 7 meals a day. I always get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. I train 5 days a week and do cardio on weekends. I do a mix of heavy sets and light sets with low and high reps. I also get a lot of sleep.

Mon: Chest
Tue: Back
Wed: Shoulders
Thu: Legs
Fri: Arms

I am considering taking omnevol or tren pills and an anti-estrogen. Can anyone give advice on whether or not I should take this.[/quote]

I think this is clearly an attempt by someone who disagrees with some of our opinions, to get us to bite and give this “kid” advice.
Why would an 18 year old post his first post here, asking about steroids? Why would his username be dedicated18? Seriously.

What 18 year olds know what omnevol or tren pills are, anyway, and would use proper english?

I’d like to start a wager, I bet $20 this is someone trying to troll…

I don’t even know what omnevol or tren pills are.

Also, Jazzman…

If we were gay like bb.com, I would, like, totally rep you into da green.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Agreed! However, I think the OP’s point of starting this thread was not to condone teenage AAS use (SO PLEASE DONT HEAR THAT TEENS), It was simply to shed some light on a very touchy issue.

Correct

Well, if that was true, then the title of this thread should have been something like “Talking to Teens about AAS” or “The Best Way to Educate a Teen on Steroids”. The very fact that “Steroid Myths” was in the title implies that the general consensus around what people in their teens are told about steroids has no basis in fact. That they are just urban legends or myths.

This may not have been the intention but it does seem to be at work in many posts.[/quote]

I see your point. Maybe in our dispelling myths we should all be careful and make sure we state some of the reasons these myths came about. This way one has the whole truth and not just one side.

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[quote]Also, Jazzman…

If we were gay like bb.com, I would, like, totally rep you into da green.[/quote]

Lol!!! Sorry bro…Dont do the gay thing!!!

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
Well, if that was true, then the title of this thread should have been something like “Talking to Teens about AAS” or “The Best Way to Educate a Teen on Steroids”. The very fact that “Steroid Myths” was in the title implies that the general consensus around what people in their teens are told about steroids has no basis in fact. That they are just urban legends or myths.

This may not have been the intention but it does seem to be at work in many posts.[/quote]

Well, I condone steroid use by intelligent teens, when done in a responsible manner. The reason I wrote it was that I believed a lot of the dogma had no basis in science, hence urban legend or myth.

Chances are, if a teenager OR adult is asking people to design a cycle for them, then they are not ready for it. They have to put 90% of the legwork in before they would be considered ready, in my mind.

The same goes with people hiring personal trainers. Most people would be better off not hiring one and learning things on their own.

I learned how to workout by reading bodybuilding magazines, strength training books, talking to guys bigger than me at the gym, and through trial and error. By doing this I figured out what worked, and tailored it to my body. A personal trainer can’t do this for you.

Learning about steroids isn’t much differant in my mind. You have to research it first in order to understand the risks involved. You have to know the “best practices” then tailor those to meet your specific goals. Having someone else give you the answers is asking for trouble.

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[quote]Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
… have to put 90% of the legwork in before they would be considered ready, in my mind.[/quote]

Yep. That’s what I think. But most of the “Critique my cycle” posts are along the lines of:

“Yo guyz i wanna take sum winny, how much and where do i buy it frum?”

Hence the frostiness toward teenagers on this board. But I’d like to think if we got intelligent posting, then intelligent remarks would follow suit?

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[quote]Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
Dopamineloveaffa wrote:
Well, if that was true, then the title of this thread should have been something like “Talking to Teens about AAS” or “The Best Way to Educate a Teen on Steroids”. The very fact that “Steroid Myths” was in the title implies that the general consensus around what people in their teens are told about steroids has no basis in fact. That they are just urban legends or myths.

This may not have been the intention but it does seem to be at work in many posts.

Well, I condone steroid use by intelligent teens, when done in a responsible manner. The reason I wrote it was that I believed a lot of the dogma had no basis in science, hence urban legend or myth.

Chances are, if a teenager OR adult is asking people to design a cycle for them, then they are not ready for it. They have to put 90% of the legwork in before they would be considered ready, in my mind.

The same goes with people hiring personal trainers. Most people would be better off not hiring one and learning things on their own.

I learned how to workout by reading bodybuilding magazines, strength training books, talking to guys bigger than me at the gym, and through trial and error. By doing this I figured out what worked, and tailored it to my body. A personal trainer can’t do this for you.

Learning about steroids isn’t much differant in my mind. You have to research it first in order to understand the risks involved. You have to know the “best practices” then tailor those to meet your specific goals. Having someone else give you the answers is asking for trouble.[/quote]

I understand you now. Though you probably should have qualified it when you said “Correct” to Jazz’s assertion that you weren’t condoning teenage steroid use.

And learning about training and learning about proper steroid use just isn’t comparable. As you said, when lifting, you figure things out by reading, talking to big guys, and trial and error. I think you would agree that the biggest guys aren’t always the most knowledgable when it comes to AAS usage. And trial and error is something I think we all would like to avoid. At least on the major issues.

Not shooting you down here, just making sure we are on the same page. I can’t say I am against teens using but I can’t think of one off the top of my head who I would say has learned enough about their bodies, their nutritional needs, and their training to warrant the need. There are exceptions, of course, but they are more isolated instances than this thread would have one believe.

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Ok, im a bit late, but I just wanted to add, I was never flamed for being on a steroids forum, EVEN THOUGH I’m 14. I posted a thread here about anti-estrogens to help with gyno caused by puberty. I was given good advice. There was NO flaming AT ALL. If someone is serious, I dont think they would get flamed. Although, I doubt anyone would suggest I use AAS, because im not dedicated enough, and I still havent fully reaped my beginner gains.

There are posters who are in their teens, which are perfect candiates for AAS (newb for example.) Some people are too lazy to post their own cycle, and havent done any research. The best way to deal with these people would be to suggest a VERY RARE and EXPENSIVE steroids at MASSIVE dosage, so they’ll NEVER get it.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Ok, im a bit late, but I just wanted to add, I was never flamed for being on a steroids forum, EVEN THOUGH I’m 14.[/quote]

I’d flame you, but you gotta work with me here. Post something flame-worthy or it’s just not gonna happen.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
The best way to deal with these people would be to suggest a VERY RARE and EXPENSIVE steroids at MASSIVE dosage, so they’ll NEVER get it.[/quote]

The best way to deal with these people is to tell them the truth. If they choose to ignore it, so be it. It’s out of your hands at that point.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Ok, im a bit late, but I just wanted to add, I was never flamed for being on a steroids forum, EVEN THOUGH I’m 14. I posted a thread here about anti-estrogens to help with gyno caused by puberty. I was given good advice.

There was NO flaming AT ALL. If someone is serious, I dont think they would get flamed. Although, I doubt anyone would suggest I use AAS, because im not dedicated enough, and I still havent fully reaped my beginner gains.

There are posters who are in their teens, which are perfect candiates for AAS (newb for example.) Some people are too lazy to post their own cycle, and havent done any research. The best way to deal with these people would be to suggest a VERY RARE and EXPENSIVE steroids at MASSIVE dosage, so they’ll NEVER get it.[/quote]

ehhh… depends on how you define flame. I’ve gotten some fun posts on my log and other threads before.

Course, you’re asking about AI’s… not steroids, but I see your point.

I think the best idea isn’t to suggest rare and expensive steroids in massive doses, because they probably could get it. For example… I only have met one source at this point (my source) but he can get everything… tren ace, test suspension… you name it.

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How many of you that claim to be even remotely qualified to give advice on steroid use to teens have anything more than a glancing familiarity with endocrinology, pediatrics, or both?

Honestly, any of you?

You talk about what constitutes a responsible teen and talk yourselves into thinking you know what you are talking about.

Thats group think and bullshit artistry.