Has anyone ever used these? i was thinking about ordering some and just emptying them into a vial.
also, has anyone ever had trouble with getting there gear? this will be my first time buying via online. cause gear in my local area is twice as much.
Search brother, search. This has been discussed ad nauseum.
Most people report that the stealth sachets suck.
Swab sachet with alcohol, let it dry. Stick a needle in the sachet, fill syringe with how much you plan to use. Unscrew syringe from needle, leaving needle in sachet. Do not remove the needle from the sachet. Put a new needle on filled syringe.
Attach a new syringe to the needle that is in the sachet, fill with how much you plan to use, unscrew syringe and replace needle.
Wash, rinse, repeat. Put filled syringes with new needle in safe place until ready for use. Dispose of the needle used to pierce the sachet safely.
Movie, how to draw from a sachet is linked below. Note the sanitary procedure.
http://www.eurobolic.com/index.php?main_page=videos_drawing_sachet
And don’t forget, most people do not recommend sachets, and I recommend doing some searching. You will get more info faster than you will et from this post.
People are reporting that the Stealth brand sucks and is painful to inject, but the Eco-oils brand is smooth to inject, has no problems, and is not painful like the Stealth.
The only inconvenience is drawing oil from the sachets, but we have to adapt if it’s hard to get vials or ampoules through customs. No big deal, sachets work fine…who cares what the gear comes in, as long as it’s sterile, is the real thing, and can be drawn into a needle.
I’d use them myself, except I don’t have to…
Johnny,
I have read on other boards Eco oils varies greatly in dose, and is frequently under dosed.
The prognosis is not so good for them on this board either:
i rather just buy gear in vials.
sachets sound like they are pain.
can’t you just draw out of the satchets, and then inject into a steril multi-vial?? a friend of mine made good gains with Stealth (test En, and Tren. enan.)…doing this.
[quote]iksrtfo28 wrote:
can’t you just draw out of the satchets, and then inject into a steril multi-vial?? a friend of mine made good gains with Stealth (test En, and Tren. enan.)…doing this.
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Yes, of course you can. Either draw it into loaded syringes, or inject the juice into a sterile vial.
Doesn’t matter what you draw out of, as long as you have sterile equipment and gear.
I don’t have first-hand experience with sachets, but most juicers use 200ml bladder packs here and it’s just the same.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Johnny,
I have read on other boards Eco oils varies greatly in dose, and is frequently under dosed.
The prognosis is not so good for them on this board either:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1387508
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Pete,
I haven’t seen what’s been said about the Eco oils on other boards, but the thread you posted didn’t have too many bad things to say about the Eco oils:
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bobzan wrote:
Very smooth application. No pain, no discomfort.
laconic wrote:
delurking to chime in. I have had good results with the npp, test E and prop. the price is right and they smell great!if any leaks out just smear it on your neck and smell like a hippie.
TranzForm wrote:
I’ve had two different experiences with the eco-oil sachets.
When I first saw them available I ordered about 6 grams of Test E or TEE as indicated on the sachet. The morning after my first injection I had a knot the size of a baseball in my glute…I emailed them and told them of my issues and they sent me another 6 grams for free of which I have had not even the slighest discomfort.
I guess I got the first batch and the BA content was totally off. But, like I said the new batch is a dream. Hope this helps and I will continue to use these products for the price and ease of shipment through customs…
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So there has been three positive reports here about Eco-oils, and only one slightly negative experience with the BA content being off in a batch, but the issue was resolved and the faulty gear was replaced for free with a new batch, which was described as a dream.
Yea, but don’t forget about Advanced Stealth’s post.
Overall, I will say this board had a higher review of the Eco Sachets than other boards.
Well, not arguing with you Pete, but Advanced-Stealth is a competing company, who was promoting their 20ml sachets in that thread. They said the Eco oils are real, but the only negative point in their opinion is the price. Advanced Stealth says they have a better deal, pretty much.
I’m not sure how big a 20ml sachet is, but I think a smaller 3ml or 5ml one would be less noticeable than a larger one.
In any case, I’m not trying to promote one product over another. They all have their drawbacks and advantages, but in the end I would choose quality over price. There are 3 stealth companies that sell sachets I know of, if one chooses to buy sachets. They are Natural Oils, Eco Oils and Advanced Stealth. Having never had experience with the products, there’s not really much I can say except what others have posted about each product. But you’ve seen more message boards, so maybe you have more information on people’s experiences than I do.
IMO, a trusted local source with good prices is preferable over mail order though.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
IMO, a trusted local source with good prices is preferable over mail order though.[/quote]
Yea definitely. Personally, if a trusted local source cannot be found, I would recommend a a domestic mail source, then a trusted UG lab.