Ok guys -
I have been doing thinking, and have come to the realization.
I will bulk until I am 250lb, and can bench 350/400lb, squat 500, and Deadlift the 600lb weight.
THEN I will cut, and be hugely ripped.
What do you think? Manly enoughs? 
Thanks for all the kind advice here, especially from the vets. I really needed kicks in the ass,
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Eating ācleanā has ZERO to do with whether you gain body fat. I wish people would quit using that term all together. Calories are still the primary concern, not some arbitrary concept of what ācleanā means.
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Not to mention that a lot of people have different opinions of what āācleanāā is. For example, to me, a big steak is āācleanāā but to some others itās the Devilās food. Others will see pasta a a great health/clean food and I donāt.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
Right now I am too fat to bulk properly, so I am thinking of starving down for a few months, until I am satisfied and have lost fat. Then bulk up.
I currently weigh 210lb, and am probably 20%bf, maybe more. I eat clean food, and have for years, so I donāt really feel like posting my diet. I eat mostly beef, chicken, tuna, other fish, milk, eggs, oats, fruits and vegetables.
I want to starve down i am not sure to what pointā¦ although I am shooting for somewhere around Christian Bales look in the Machinist (Iāll post up a pic later if poeple doent know what I am talking about). Then from there I can bulk for the rest of my life.
I understand this may be an unconventional way of doing this, but I am just sick of looking like a fat slob, and I have been training for about 2 years.
So any suggestions?
P.Sā
I am not trolling.[/quote]
Thereās a free book copy over in the Alpha section.
Your 20 your hormone levels are higher than they will be for the rest of your life get muscle while you can.
Since you didnāt play any sports, you missed out on super intense working out which is probably why itās so difficult to make changes. People might call it overtraining, but the insane amount of running and training you do because HS coaches think kids can do anything really ramps up your metabolism. Now your going to have to make up for that. Every once now and then break you routine and train super hard and long. If you honestly think you eat clean then keep eating clean and try some 300 workouts, crossfit, or do a search on crazy workouts on T-Nation. You need to learn how to jack up your intensity, routines are good for consistent progress when you know what your doing, but suck for somebody who doesnāt know how to workout hard.
Hope on a treadmill next to somebody and put it at their level+1 and run like itās easy, soon they will jack up theres then you do it, finish when they are done not you.
Get a partner and try to beat him in everything.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
Ok guys -
I have been doing thinking, and have come to the realization.
I will bulk until I am 250lb, and can bench 350/400lb, squat 500, and Deadlift the 600lb weight.
THEN I will cut, and be hugely ripped.
What do you think? Manly enoughs?
Thanks for all the kind advice here, especially from the vets. I really needed kicks in the ass,[/quote]
Wow your one confusing guy.
You dont deadlift in your current program BUT are going to bulk till you get a 600lb deadliftā¦ AND add to that when you last bulked you added 35lbs of fatā¦
I would hate to see what would be the outcome if you were going from a nooby deadlift to a 600lb deadlift whil eeating shit food.
Can you actually tell us as of today your weight ?
And please spare us the im 20% taking random guesses is as good as me getting a blind guy to guess your body fat.
If your actually 6ft and weigh under 170-180 WHILE being overweight then i see no point in cutting unless you really DO want to look like the Machinest guyā¦
As for eating what have you eaten so far today ?
Dont make it up simply write down what has passed your mouth since you woke this morningā¦ and what is on the menu for tonight.
Iām rapt with attention to see it.
I ate
Breakfast: 4 eggs, banana, glass of milk, some whole grain bread
Lunch: fish, vegetables, some potatoes
Afternoon: Chicken, broccoli, some potatoes
More Afternoon: cottage cheese, milk, peanut butter
Evening: cottage cheese and milk.
But 300andabove, what do you mean? I was thinking of training purely for powerlifting then and doing deadlifts. Stick to a weight class and train away.
Is this not good? Are there any concrete answers here? I hear all sorts of conflicting stuffā¦ āfuck it and cutāā¦ ādonāt cut, tighten your diet and liftāā¦ etc. I dontr know what to doo.
I donāt have access to a scale at home but there is one at the gym. I will check my weight tomorro.w
300andabove. Can you help me on what to do? What would you do in my sitation? Cut? Bulk? āJust eat and lift?ā Say āfuck itā and just become huge?
Please help. Thank you.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Your 20 your hormone levels are higher than they will be for the rest of your life get muscle while you can.
Since you didnāt play any sports, you missed out on super intense working out which is probably why itās so difficult to make changes. People might call it overtraining, but the insane amount of running and training you do because HS coaches think kids can do anything really ramps up your metabolism. Now your going to have to make up for that. Every once now and then break you routine and train super hard and long. If you honestly think you eat clean then keep eating clean and try some 300 workouts, crossfit, or do a search on crazy workouts on T-Nation. You need to learn how to jack up your intensity, routines are good for consistent progress when you know what your doing, but suck for somebody who doesnāt know how to workout hard.
Hope on a treadmill next to somebody and put it at their level+1 and run like itās easy, soon they will jack up theres then you do it, finish when they are done not you.
Get a partner and try to beat him in everything.[/quote]
Thanks.
So you think I am fat and weak because I have poor training intensity and bad work capacity? I was reading about Marc bartley and how he did all kinds of crazy shit to lose the fat and build the muscles. I think I will start training super intenslyu. And do more intese cardio-.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
I ate
Breakfast: 4 eggs, banana, glass of milk, some whole grain bread
Lunch: fish, vegetables, some potatoes
Afternoon: Chicken, broccoli, some potatoes
More Afternoon: cottage cheese, milk, peanut butter
Evening: cottage cheese and milk.
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Eat more.
Look dudeā¦ seriously i think this site is hurting you personally.
I mean you cant even make up your mind what to do, that is a death sentence to you EVER making progress if you flip flop from cutting/bulking every single time you see a post by someone.
So for tonight turn off the damn pc, sit down look in the mirror and ask what is it YOU want.
Ignore us for tonight, you MUST decide which it is, or you will be in the same position in a years time. Plus or minus a few extra lbs.
And what is your bodyweight ?
Now seriously i think this is your best chance to go somewhere no one minds helping you or others, but you HAVE to make up your mind. Which is it ?
AND no do NOT change your mind in 2 weeks time, as you read Mr Z did this or Mr. Y did that.
Pick one:
1)Bulk
2)Cut
I honestly donāt know the best way. As I said I want to ultimately be strong and huge.
Do I get there with cut? Or will it damage my metabolism?
Do I bulk slowly with clean foods?
I donāt know at all. I thought if I just eat clean and lift weights it would sort itself outā¦ I guess not.
WHat do other people in this sort of situation do?
Also I want to say, I wouldnāt mind bulking but it seems I donāt actually gain any muscleā¦ just get stronger but gain fat.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
My routine:
Monday - Legs
Front Squats
RDL
Leg Press
Wednesday - Chest+Tricep
Incline Bench
DB Flat Bench
Skullcrusher
Pushdown
Friday - Back
T-Bar Row
Pulldown
Shrugs (I do not do deadlifts here because i think with RDL it would overtax my lower back)
Sunday - DElts + biceps
Overhead press with arbell standing
Lateral raise
Preacher curl with straight bar
preacher curl with db
It seems great, good volume, and frequency. Oh i do about 3 sets per exercise, workning up to heavy weight last set.[/quote]
I know youāre focusing on your diet, but this routine doesnāt look like it has enough intensity for serious growth (whether that be fat loss or muscle gain).
For someone with 20% bf and wanting to lose fat, Iād suggest working out each body part more than once per week. And, you certainly donāt need to focus a whole day on ādelts and biceps.ā You might try full body workouts for a while and see what kind of results you get. If you donāt want to try full body workouts, at least combine a couple of those days and try to hit each body part 2x week.
Ok.
I was thinking today, at school. Looking around. Seeing the whelps. And I know now what to do.
I see now that I wantā¦ no I needā¦ to become the hugest, strongest personā¦ ever.
That is my goal now. Now you can say āman you really are confusedā like that one guy above posted. But whatever.
I was watching the vids of Kevin Neeā¦ and strongman competitionsā¦ and DeFranco vidsā¦ and I realize my calling.
I just said now āFuck Itā. My goals from now on are simple: Get stronger as possible period.
I eat now on a missionā¦ train like warrior. It is no more about being christian bale in machinistā¦ now it is about christian bale in the batman.
The training will be intenseā¦ it is now gonna be like this:
Squat Day
Back Squats - heavy stuff, 4-6 sets
Front Squats - high rep, conditioning style, maybe 2 sets
Leg Press - For strength plus hypertrphof, 4 sets.
Deadlift Day
Heavy Deadlifts - I start ding these now and no more pussyfy. 4-6 sets. Heavy.
V-Bar Pulldowns/Pullups/Chins - couple setsā¦ to get the lats destroyed, you know.
T-bar Rows - Final stuff to assist Deadlifts. DO 3 sets, pretty heavy.
Heavy Bench
Incline Press - heavy heavy. 4-6 sets, doing 5 or 6 reps mostly.
Flat Bench - light benching, 3 sets, focussing on acceleration, technique and sizing the chest.
Pushdowns - tricep conditioning, 4 sets, medium reps, getting good tricep work in there.
Preacher Curls - some bicep stuff, get elbows healthy.
Bench Assist
Overhead Press with bar - working up to very heavy, feeling the shoulders turn to boulders. 4 sets.
Lateral rasies - higher reps lower rest, more conditioningthan stregnth. 4 sets. Super intense high burn.
Skullcrusher - 4 sets. Working on heavy triceps work. Get em strong.
Db Hammer Curling - For guns, yo.
This is it. Any insults now? Throw away. Tell them to my face now.
My lifts now:
Incline Press - 70kg for 6 reps.
Squat - 85kg for 6.
My goal, for christmas.
Incline Press - 110kg for 6
Squat - 130kg for 6.
Deadlift you say? Whatever it is now, get 160 by christman.
MINIMUM.
No more of āfatnessā boo hoo. I will not allow myself to get over 225lb though. I want to keep in weight class and not get big fat. That is why the conditioning stuff is there.
You do realize you STILL have not answered a very simple questionā¦
Do you wish to
A)CUT
B)BULK
I mean all this about getting strong is fine, food is the determining factor where your bodyweight goesā¦
So again i pose this question to you, even if you do the gym 100% there is only so much you can change while your nutrition is in the shitter.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
You do realize you STILL have not answered a very simple questionā¦
Do you wish to
A)CUT
B)BULK
I mean all this about getting strong is fine, food is the determining factor where your bodyweight goesā¦
So again i pose this question to you, even if you do the gym 100% there is only so much you can change while your nutrition is in the shitter.
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BULK until 225. Probably pretty slowly though.
So my main priority is getting really strongā¦ and looking like it without being a fat sclonb.
What do you think? Is it good idea or bad?
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
BULK until 225. Probably pretty slowly though.
So my main priority is getting really strongā¦ and looking like it without being a fat sclonb.[/quote]
Are you 100% sure this is THE strategy YOU want ??
And your not going to change it when you see a randomer with hawt abz on tv ā¦
You HAVE to make a commitment to this, iāve been ābulkingā near 7 and odd bit years it takes THAT kind of commiment.
And what weight are you now, that 225 is your goal.
ANd as a bonus the more muscle you put on the more fat will be taken off you, as muscle is THE most calorific expensive thing in your body.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
BULK until 225. Probably pretty slowly though.
So my main priority is getting really strongā¦ and looking like it without being a fat sclonb.
Are you 100% sure this is THE strategy YOU want ??
And your not going to change it when you see a randomer with hawt abz on tv ā¦
You HAVE to make a commitment to this, iāve been ābulkingā near 7 and odd bit years it takes THAT kind of commiment.
And what weight are you now, that 225 is your goal.
ANd as a bonus the more muscle you put on the more fat will be taken off you, as muscle is THE most calorific expensive thing in your body.
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If I could I would want to bulk my whole lifeā¦ that is how important this is to me. I donāt even want a six pack. I just want to have a bf that will be natural and I wonāt look fat . Like 12% or something-.
The prime thing stopping me from going on an allout see food diet thing is my current fat levelsā¦ which is why i got so sad and wanted to panic the fat off.
I will probably go for a gradual bulk eating clean but enough to gain strength and weight over timeā¦ I will probably be slightly āchubbyā for a long while but that is just how it is.
BTW my weight is as of today: 205lb
Hey man, do you have any pictures?
From reading this thread it sounds to me like your numbers are very wrong. Calculating what youāve gain in terms of muscle and fat gives completely ridiculous figures.
Iād guess that you are probably guessing your body fat incorrectly. Maybe post a relaxed picture from the front. Cover your face if you like.
But of course, as others have said - itās up to you, not us.