May as well be, the same absolutes, the same sarcasm, same attacks.
He be little dbossa.
This forum needs way more moderation too settle the bitches down.
Ok dude go tell that to the anabolic doc who treats nothing but anabolic abusers.
Enjoy
@dixiewrecked any update? You still feeling good on the EOD anastrozole?
@equel you just made a statement saying I once claimed "the more e2 the better libido and erections!!ā
Please do show me where I said that. Please. You claim Iām retarded (while hardly being able to construct a proper sentence I might add) yet based on this statement it means you havenāt understood a thing. It means that after countless explanations you still canāt grasp a basic, elementary concept.
Show me where I said that. Please. Pretty please.
I will say that I never needed an AI when my T levels were at a true TRT dose: 700-900ng/dL total T and mid to high range free T. Over that and my libido suffered just like @equel said.
I can attest to this. At 200mg/week testosterone I needed 1-2mg/week arimidex for my libido to be maxed. On my current blast of 750mg/week I need 1-2mg arimidex every day to keep my libido up, water out, and sensitive nipples at bay. I get zero negative side effects from dosing arimidex correctly. It is extremely individual, and for me arimidex has been a positive experience. If youāre on TRT or PEDs, itās just something you need to experiment with if youāre getting high estrogen sides.
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I have had the same experience. Iām currently doing OK on a 500mg blast with injections EOD, adex dosed alongside injections at 0.125mg and increasing that to 0.25mg once a week. I quickly turn in to a bright red-faced, bloated mess with high BP and zero libido without it. At 0.25mg adex EOD I crashed my E2 within a week and it took 4 days of feeling like death to recover. On the flipside, as my E2 recovered, my dick became way more sensitive again along with my nipples.
Next blast Iām going to try to take Test up to 750mg and see how I do, but if I add anything it will be 700mg Primo since it doesnāt aromatize and has very little sides.
High roller. Iāll be sticking with EQ, the poor manās primo, LOL
My HCT already likes to rise on just Test, otherwise I would be super interested in EQ.
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well on the .06 eod I got my blood work done and none of my levels were changed at all. My libido had dropped back off. I upped my AI dosage to .125 eod and i definitely look leaner and my chest looks much better. Nipples are not sensitive. my libido and boners are still MIA though.
Over on excelmale they convinced me to drop my dose down so I am going to try that. Ill be doing 40mg eod and Iāll test and see how my levels look with that. I am beginning to think my body just doesnāt like Test levels too high
I could use a little help. Defy only lets me get 35 arimidex pills at a time because they say they expire really quickly. Like a matter of just a few short months. I have never heard of this before. My arimidex from them expired like a yer ago. Is it true that it may not work anymore after such a short time?
I said the same thing and he switched his subject and focused on something else that wasnāt true either. Stop wasting your time with him.
@dixiewrecked If you need arimidex on replacement doses of TRT, youāre doing something terribly wrong.
@galgenstrick your body canāt handle 200mg a week of testosterone. Itās got nothing to do with estradiol.
I wish you guys knew what arimidex does in the body. I really, really wish you guys knew.
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Iām not sure what youāre getting at. I said that on a true trt dose I donāt need an AI, when I start increasing testosterone past natural levels, then I need an AI to make me feel good. How does that have nothing to do with estradiol?
Yes, for me 200mg/week is more than a trt dose.
That is not accurate. Itās probably good for several years, assuming you are not storing it in a sauna. There have been studies showing that as many as 90% of the drugs maintain potency for 10-15 years.
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Why donāt you just tell them whats going on in their bodies?
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Iāve spent literally hundreds of hours discussing this at length, made dozens of videos on the subject. Provided weeks worth of reading material with studies and evidence found in the medical literature. I think Iāve done my share. They donāt get it. Itās all good.
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Maybe, just maybe they have listened to your advice and have found that it just doesnāt work for them?
Nobody can argue with the effort you have put forth and I personally appreciate it, but you tend to color everyone blue. Some are red.
Medical literature, do you remember when eating more than three eggs a week was certain death? Linky. Things change, is there a hole in the Medical literature you support? Time will tell.
I wish there was a HOT( it is Hot, right?) thread here on Tnation, populated with the stories of success cases. The how, why and when of it. No videos, no papers, just your members in their own words.
Attraction over promotion.
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This is what people tend to say. The problem is, estradiol is a paracrine hormone and serum levels do not drive tissue action in ALL men. If this is not occurring in someone, they arenāt a man and have a different biology than a man.
Estradiol has been studied for over 80 years. No harm found, only benefits.
I got thousands of men off their AI with thousands reporting how much better they felt. This includes the ones who argued about the subject with me to death until they finally committed to something and they got better. Their health had a funny way of improving across the board at the same time.
Keep in mind I learned the bro science when I got started. It took three doctors over a year to convince me that blocking E2 was a bad thing. They provided a mountain of evidence. It was too much to deny. I had nothing to provide in return other than ābut everyone knows you need to take an AI!ā
Itās not called HOT. The group is called TRT and Hormone Optimization. The success stories are non stop. I wouldnāt waste my time telling people if it wasnāt helping. If there were benefits to blocking estradiol, as I once thought, thatās what Iād be saying. There isnāt. The literature is clear as day. Create a dummy FB account, join that group for free, and ask for people to write their success stories getting off their AI. Youāll have a lot to read. My inbox is hilarious. People from all over the world who Iāve never met asking if they can send me donations and all kinds of crazy shit (no, I donāt accept donations). Itās all there.
What you COULD do is provide me with compelling evidence as to why it should be blocked by any degree. In return, I can drown you in evidence. Iām open to having my mind changed but the evidence I have is so vast I canāt see what could possibly change my mind at this point. Too many papers. Too many physicians. Too many patients. Too many men in the 5k+ in our group saying the same. Itās just too much.
I donāt promote my group and only brought it up because you mentioned it. I gave up my rights to the TRT YouTube channel because I need to focus on my priorities. I have no products or services to sell you. I have zero financial interest in TRT or anything related to the subject.
What posisble reason would I have to be saying this if I thought there might be a chance that I may be wrong?
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@dbossa I literally followed your advice for over a year instead of listening to my Dr. It never panned out. You have to wrap your head around the fact that your inflexible beliefs, while well intentioned, are not going to work for everyone. Everyone is different. I have no problem with what has worked for you and the people in your FB group but your group is not a scientific sampling of TRT patients. People are filtered out and opposing views are suppressed. This makes your subjective data flawed. This really isnāt a difficult concept but you are emotionally tied to your position, similar to religion or politics. An open mind would allow you to reach more people.
There is TONS of data stating that high estrogen can have an adverse effect. There is tons of data where men state they feel good with slightly higher estrogen. There is really no point into getting into a study posting match. I could cherry pick studies just as good as you, probably better in this particular instance.
I appreciate all the work you put into this field.
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I can assure you that there is nothing emotionally tying me to anything. I strive to know as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible.
Look at the article entitled Estradiol as a Male Hormone. Go though it and tell me where they went wrong. Notice the hundred plus references at the bottom.
I have not seen a single, compelling study that made it undeniable to not warrant estrogen management. If you have any please send them to me. Most that have been given to me are in vitro studies or studies done in rats and mice. Since it has been studied for over 80 years in humans, I donāt know why this becomes so hard to get a study showing harm in humans. Iāve seen one or two where it was āassociatedā with harm. Yet with these same people when you raise estradiol by raising testosterone they get better. Another study I saw where estradiol was āassociatedā with harm and the patients were deficient in androgens. Another where obese patients had high E2 and they blamed the high E2 for the obesity when we know that the obesity itself causes high E2 as a by-product. You need to look at the study as a whole to see if there is merit for it to be compelling. Some basic knowledge on the subject makes it easy to know which studies have merit and which ones do not due to some obvious fatal flaws.
Iām significantly more open minded than most people realize. I say it all the time: here is my evidence, change my mind. So far, it hasnāt happened. Opposing views are not suppressed. Idiots that come in to the Facebook group claiming āYouāre all stupid because I KNOW I need an AI and your studies are meaninglessā yet refuse to provide anything substantial in regards to backing up their anecdote are booted from the group. You need to come in, make a compelling argument, and then provide evidence to back up that arguement. Then we can have a discussion. You wouldnāt believe how difficult that is to accomplish with most people.
Feel free to post your compelling arguement here, with evidence, and Iāll be more than happy to take a look. If I believe the study to be flawed I will be specific as to why and provide evidence to demonstrate why. Thatās how this works.
This isnāt a pissing contest. This isnāt my dick is bigger than your dick. This is āI believe one thing and you believe anotherā¦ So how do we go about determining who is correct?ā Each requires a solid argument with compelling evidence.