Starting 4 Day Bodypart Split

All i am saying is rather then posting here just for the sake of arguing what split is better, just give this guy a split include the rep/sets and exercises and whether or not you would have him ramp the sets.

From reading his first post he seems to have an idea of what needs to be done and has read the stickies posted on the site relevant to his question.

If you want someone to help refine your program to suit your needs a few big guys who have like minded goals and training styles are waylanderxx,Cephalic_Carnage, and Professor x.

If these guys don’t post here again you could try sending them a pm asking one of them to help you set up a training program for you and your friend. At least until you guys know your own bodies enough to make your own tailored programs.

[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Another TBT vs split debate thread on the bodybuilding forum… ‘nice’.[/quote]

What “debate”?

All we’ve got are beginners regurgitating articles to other beginners, and then two huge guys who have threads dedicated to how they train and what they think, with the same advice.

hmmmmmm…

C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.[/quote]

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

Oh yeah, busy putting a routine for the OP together and explaining all the important stuff via pm…

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…
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I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.[/quote]

The challenge that I see in that approach (posting a general outline and letting it evolve) is that there are a lot of inexperienced, small guys that can’t help themselves and will want to add their thoughts and opinions. These thoughts and opinions are based on what they have read not what they have done. End result is a bunch of hypothetical arguments from small guys that clutter up the thread. As long as there are some guidelines for posting, then this could be avoided and the good advice wouldn’t get diluted with the crap.

[quote]giterdone wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.

The challenge that I see in that approach (posting a general outline and letting it evolve) is that there are a lot of inexperienced, small guys that can’t help themselves and will want to add their thoughts and opinions. These thoughts and opinions are based on what they have read not what they have done. End result is a bunch of hypothetical arguments from small guys that clutter up the thread. As long as there are some guidelines for posting, then this could be avoided and the good advice wouldn’t get diluted with the crap.

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That’s why it should be posted in the t-cell.

:wink:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
giterdone wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.

The challenge that I see in that approach (posting a general outline and letting it evolve) is that there are a lot of inexperienced, small guys that can’t help themselves and will want to add their thoughts and opinions. These thoughts and opinions are based on what they have read not what they have done. End result is a bunch of hypothetical arguments from small guys that clutter up the thread. As long as there are some guidelines for posting, then this could be avoided and the good advice wouldn’t get diluted with the crap.

That’s why it should be posted in the t-cell.

;)[/quote]

Bigger problem: Other than me, the only other guys who seem to have any major amount of experience with that training philosophy on this site are professor X, Holy Mac, Sentoguy etc… I have a lot of beginners and intermediates train that way at the moment, but they’ve only been doing it for a few months up to half a year each.

So there really aren’t that many people who could chime in… (more than I listed I guess, but still a surprisingly small number considering that this is the major approach in use today by almost every big and not-so-big-yet bodybuilder).

People on here keep asking “how would you rate the intensity of the first two sets” and such… They’ve always been taught to focus on (straight)sets and reps and supersets and being all rebel and what have you… They look at things in the wrong way, sort of, wrong mentality for the kind of training I’m trying to explain…

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
giterdone wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.

The challenge that I see in that approach (posting a general outline and letting it evolve) is that there are a lot of inexperienced, small guys that can’t help themselves and will want to add their thoughts and opinions. These thoughts and opinions are based on what they have read not what they have done. End result is a bunch of hypothetical arguments from small guys that clutter up the thread. As long as there are some guidelines for posting, then this could be avoided and the good advice wouldn’t get diluted with the crap.

That’s why it should be posted in the t-cell.

;)[/quote]

Ahh…missed the t-cell bit…apologies

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
giterdone wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
C_C - are you ever going to make that t-cell thread about putting together your own classic BB program? I bet we could make that a sticky.

Ha, working on it… Wondering if I should just start the thread in the cell and go about this topic by topic, post by post instead of trying to release the whole thing at once… But yeah…

Takes some time, it’s not a true system per se, there are tons of similarities etc, but it’s not really a single approach… So trying to turn it into one for sake of explanation to beginners isn’t easy, to be honest…

If you have some ideas (even just the specific topics you’d like to be covered/explained), shoot me a pm… It’s odd… Explaining all that stuff one does on instinct or has done for so long that it’s second nature and you really don’t think about it anymore… All the little details in split construction etc, sounds terribly complicated if you actually write it ALL down ya know? Even though it’s dead-simple if you have any measure of common sense…

I think the real bitch of it is that most of it is basic common sense but people just get lost in so much other crap that doesn’t matter. If I were you, I’d post a general outline of the major details to look for and then let the thread evolve with the more experienced guys schooling everyone on how it’s done.

The challenge that I see in that approach (posting a general outline and letting it evolve) is that there are a lot of inexperienced, small guys that can’t help themselves and will want to add their thoughts and opinions. These thoughts and opinions are based on what they have read not what they have done. End result is a bunch of hypothetical arguments from small guys that clutter up the thread. As long as there are some guidelines for posting, then this could be avoided and the good advice wouldn’t get diluted with the crap.

That’s why it should be posted in the t-cell.

:wink:

Bigger problem: Other than me, the only other guys who seem to have any major amount of experience with that training philosophy on this site are professor X, Holy Mac, Sentoguy etc… I have a lot of beginners and intermediates train that way at the moment, but they’ve only been doing it for a few months up to half a year each.

So there really aren’t that many people who could chime in… (more than I listed I guess, but still a surprisingly small number considering that this is the major approach in use today by almost every big and not-so-big-yet bodybuilder).

People on here keep asking “how would you rate the intensity of the first two sets” and such… They’ve always been taught to focus on (straight)sets and reps and supersets and being all rebel and what have you… They look at things in the wrong way, sort of, wrong mentality for the kind of training I’m trying to explain…

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I mean, I could chime in and give the reasoning behind the way things are done, too, but the truth is I’m not advanced enough yet for people to care what I’m saying. If only the big guys are explaining it, no one will question the creditials.

I personally would think it’s better to only have a few facilitators keeping it real in the thread. Less clutter from wannabe experts. Besides, the ultimate goal is to give people the outline and reasoning behind it (which, like you said, should be common sense) and let people make their own splits.

Once people start wiping the fat out of their eyes and see the reasoning behind why splits are set up the way they are they shouldn’t have a problem making their own.

I’m just saying.

Update on me and my friends new squat PR

Myself: 115x5
Friend: 225x5