Lol like I said, I care nothing about you. Call me whatever you want.
@Robroy best of luck to you sir. A little Google searching should get you any info you want. No name calling from me here or telling your what to do. I think men taking synthetic estrogens is not a wise choice as you will be the Guinea pig. Aside from cancer risks there are a slew of negative sides. Lots of women have them from birth control pills, just like men do with TRT until they find the right protocol with it. Again google is your friend. Iām ignoring you know who. But also, feel free to ignore me.
There should be no ignoring here in the face of facts, Bro. But you can bury your head and the sand and pretend you didnt spew false information about not knowing estradiol valerate ACTUALLY BIRTH CONTROL, but you DID. lol And you STILL deny it. Bless your heartā¦ Your trying very hard young man.
Doctors are prescribing men estradiol valerate, which is bioidentical birth control. PERIOD. Your entitled to your opinions about men being guinea pigs. Thats all the are is some gym bros opinion. Think a doctor is going to gamble his medical license on a guinea pig??
Ive proved my point that your absolutely clueless about the function if bioidentical estrogen in mens bodiesā¦ estradiol valerate is NOT synthetic estrogen. Hope you can breath under all that sand! we miss your āfactsā
My last post to you on this topic. Iāve actually ignored you on the forum so I canāt view your posts unless I intentionally do so. First, if youāre correct, you will catch more props by having a mature rhetoric, as @highpull displayed. Calling names etc isnāt what an intelligent person does that has any kind of maturity. Second, you implied I should be your gopher to justify my opinion. It doesnāt work that way sir. Why donāt YOU post studies if you want them to show youāre correct. Iāll read them gladly. BTW youāre new here and that doesnāt help, especially with your style of writing. Third, to this ā¦
Yes I do. They do it all day long by giving TRT to non hypogonadal men, prescribe Nandrolone as if itās a TRT adjunct, etc etc etc. All things true medical pros should not do.
The only men on estrogen by real docs are transgender patients and sometimes those with prostate cancer. But again, enlighten me in an adult like tone and Iāll take you seriously. Even admit Iām wrong. Show some research to the contrary. Even if cancer increase is minimal you canāt deny oral BC has many side effects if not carefully taken or appropriately so. E Val is also and injectable replacement, fyi.
I personally donāt think men should be taking outside estrogen. Only time to consider it is if maybe you are critically low as in you are crashed or damn near crashed even after injecting a liberal TRT dose.
But keep informing us how you feel and what happens.
I myself dropped my TRT dose to 80mg last week and this week doing 100mg, having only injected half of that dose for the week so far. I can say that I feel calmer, blood pressure is lower, less anxiety etc. Which is why I am thinking of dropping TRT altogether depending on what my blood work shows next time.
Like you, I think, I am not a heavy aromitizer at all. If this trend continues then itās clearly the T itself or too much foreign T. Hence if my blood work shows very normal average type levels I may just hop on Clomid long term and give it a go. Idea is similar numbers but no needles and no āshut downā.
Hang on, you ignored meā¦ Yet come back to keep trying to prove you dont know Estradiol Valerate is birth control is?? I got in your head and hurt your feelings, didnt i?? Lol. Not much else going on up there, huh?
New here? Ive been on these silly boards since ORD under MANY different aliases. Were you even in this game around the time of ORD, or even know what that is young man?? I facetiously apologize if you dont like my style of writing, You would have gotten a lot more respect from me if you just admitted you dont have a clue what estrogen plays a function in men that ARNT TRANS. Go on excelmale and see all the guys on PRESCRIBED estradiol valerate pills for trt.
Gopher??? LMFAO. dude, ive already read alllllll this shit. You need to do your own research, drop the ego, and enlighten yourself because you sound like a fool now trying to talk your way out of being wrong. My 12 year old nephew does that., Ill give a couple articles just to PROVE IM NOT WRONG. YOUR TURN
This is the tip of the iceberg if this interests you at all. plenty more research for you to do. Once you get through that second article, and understand that Aromatase is determined by a GENEā¦ You might understand why some men NEED SUPPEMENTAL ESTROGEN.
Plenty of hardcore bodybuilders over on Professional Muscle needing estrogen too. From Aromasin abuse.
Not much else for me to say here.
A wise man once saidā¦ Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell the differenceā¦
Testosterone and estrogen are switching roles to be specific : Test been though to cause Prostate cancersā¦ now thereās talk about estrogen being the true culprit
its halarious how some guys are absolutely terrified about TWO freaking Mgs of estradiolā¦ Yet bang tren and thousands upon thousands of milligrams of testosterone. Not to mention the bros that take DNP. lol
I read gene CAG repeat numbers strongly associated with prostate cancer. In any case, cancer isnāt a genetic disease, itās a metabolic disease.
Metabolic disturbances cause cancer, caused by western diets, food, chemicals in the environment trigger these metabolic disturbances and cause cancer. 80 percent of cancer in the United States is preventable.
There have been documented cases by doctors showing a carnivore diet can put cancer in remission or completely cure it.
Iām sure you already know that women of reproductive age have a daily endogenous production rate of 0.03mg - 0.6mg per day of Estradiol (depending on cycle) and administration dosage is 1-2mg Estradiol Valerate per day.
These āfreaking two mgsā are clearly supraphysiological for a middle-aged man.
Complex issue, but debatable statement : some genetic mutations do increase cancer rates, although not always. But most of lung cancer cases for example are preventable. I am not sure about other kinds of cancer, prostate cancer in particular, as it is linked somehow to BPH, and the latter has genetic factorsā¦