This was supposed to be a comic depicting the events prior to this movie and Star Trek: Nemisis. Interesting.
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I just want to say…Spock was a bitch for just dropping Kirk off on that planet like that.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
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John S. wrote:
Saw it today and I must say I was kind of disappointed.
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How come it seemed like every 15 minutes kirk was getting his ass kicked?
How are they calling this a prequel or reboot when its an alternate universe, I get it they didn’t want to piss off the fanboys but they should have stated that not saying it was a reboot.
I give this movie 3/5 stars. It a good fun action movie but if your going into it to see Kirk whoop some ass get the girl and everything else that the show was then this is not the film for you.
An alternate universe is still a reboot of the franchise. What the hell else would you call using the same characters but coming up with a different story line? It is the perfect way to bring this franchise into the present especially since the original cast is over the age of 65 now. That show was started in the 60’s. The story line would be different anyway if it were written for the first time in this era because of changes in our society since then, especially since social issues are what Star Trek specialized in preaching against.
You are entitled to your opinion, but the very definition of CHEESY is having the main character somehow supernaturally invincible. Kirk got punched around quite a bit on the tv show as well…and those were some of the WORST fight scenes in tv history as far as realism. The same can’t be said for this movie. They went from “nerdy” to “cool” in one movie release.
I personally do not want to see a movie where the “hero” somehow can’t get hurt unless he is an X-Man. I was never a Trekkie and don’t even remember “Wrath of Kahn”…but this movie made me a fan.[/quote]
Agreed totally. In fact I thought the portrayal of the young Kirk made perfect sense. Considering how many brawls he got into in his 30s, what, he was going to avoid conflict as a young man?
And absolutely, it was realism that he got beat up.
As for it supposedly not being a prequel when it is an alternate reality resulting from the what, “standard reality Star Trek” having a future event in its timeline that created this new timeline, hey, it’s still BEFORE. Thus, a prequel.
And absolutely, if anything ever needed to be rebooted and with the cobwebs and baggage thoroughly shaken out rather than just redone the same way again as 40 years ago, it’s ST-TOS.
They did a very fine reboot. The character integrity of every character was 100% preserved – except that Chekov is no longer an uptight, dufus clown wondering where the nuclear wessels are. He really got an upgrade to now being decent, both due to scriptwriting and a much better actor. I see absolutely no downside to the changes, at all. And the actors are brilliant choices and extremely fine at these roles.
Btw, the nostalgic elements that I think the movie would have been even better without, though it’s nitpicking, is that the Alexander Courage musical them (da-da-DAAH, da-da-da-da-DAAAH!) would better have been omitted the entire movie rather than bringing it in at the very end. We’ve heard it too many times, and NOT having it the entire movie before then did worlds towards making the movie fresh. Temptation should have been resisted and, IMO, it shouldn’t have been dragged in at the very end.
And frankly though Leonard Nimoy did a perfectly good acting job, I think he was there for the sake of having some re-tread – like the first Next Degradation movie having Shatner in it – to try to shore it up for the traditional fans, while the movie is solid enough (unlike “Generations”) that it had no need of that. I’d rather had stood entirely on its own two feet. But probably most would disagree with me on that, and it’s not as if that element of clinging to the old was a major problem. It’s nitpicking.
Honestly, this movie is my favorite movie of this year to date and after seeing the previews for gijoe and transformers 2, I honestly feel this may be the best movie I am going to see this year… the characters were great, action was great, nothing felt forced or out of place and the overall plot was solid… I can not wait for the next film if they can keep this feel…
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My only beef was they nailed EVERYONE’s key line but I never got to hear, “I just can’t do it captain, I dont have the power !!” there was a perfect time to say it before releasing the bombs to escape the black hole and that was the one and only time I felt a little let down…
All in all, one of the top three movies this year unless something else blows me out of the water…
-Ratchet-
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
And frankly though Leonard Nimoy did a perfectly good acting job, I think he was there for the sake of having some re-tread – like the first Next Degradation movie having Shatner in it – to try to shore it up for the traditional fans, while the movie is solid enough (unlike “Generations”) that it had no need of that. I’d rather had stood entirely on its own two feet. But probably most would disagree with me on that, and it’s not as if that element of clinging to the old was a major problem. It’s nitpicking.
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I do disagree with that. They kept Nimoy out of it until nearly half of the movie had gone by. I think that this gave the audience time to accept “the new guy” completely in that role. Also, because of the way this franchise had been accepted over the last half century, it deserved and needed some kind of homage to the originals…even if it had been through some old recording device that gets sent back in time. If nothing else, it’s like a shout out to what they created and set the stage for back then. I felt it was about respect.
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Agreed, yes, if having Nimoy in the movie then the way they did it was extremely smart. As you say the new Spock was completely established by that point, and it was a surprise seeing the old Spock.
You have a point on the homage – I feel the movie was so strong as to not need it and it would have been better without it, but probably most would disagree with me. Also a reasonable argument (derived from yours, which was broader) that it showed respect to Nimoy, which he merits.
Actually another character got an upgrade I was glad to see.
In this case, strictly a matter of the writers and Roddenberry just not ever making some decisions that they should have.
I mean with regard to Uhura.
Yes, I understand that for the '60s, Uhura was an important groundbreaking role, and the writers and Roddenberry deserve credit for that. And it’s not that they never did anything to establish that she was in any way a remarkable person. Kirk obviously considered her highly competent, and he did leave her the con once, and she did get under the consoles and work on the electronics once with Spock obviously considering her work highly competent.
But in general, they showed little past her being a switchboard operator.
In the movies it was worse, when they decided to go for cheap laughs or plot expediency at the expense of several of the characters. Scotty announcing that he knew the ship like the back of his hand before, slapstick style, banging his head in a low clearance area. Kirk acting like a senile old professorial type wondering what’s going on – “Damned peculiar!” – while Saavik tells him to raise the shields as regulations require it but he won’t do it, so Khan is able to savage the Enterprise with devastating phaser fire. And Uhura, when needing to create the apperance that the Enterprise is a Klingon ship, having to have books (??? where did they come from ???) scattered all around and everyone helping her just so she can totally mangle the Klingon language.
In contrast, they found simple enough ways for this Uhura to clearly be highly competent, skilled, and important to the plot. About time.
The “reebot” was something that Star Trek needed. After 5 shows and 10 movies, it was getting tiresome. This is a way to modernize Star Trek, and by looking at this movies, I would say the are on the right track.
What Bill Roberts said, pretty much. Especially wrt Uhura.
Makkun
I loved it
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My 4 tiny complaints
I thought the chase scene on the ice planet was a tad cheesy. The smaller alien being eaten by the larger alien at the last second made me cringe a little. They really should have just stuck with the original alien chasing him.
Kirk’s grip strength is fucking amazing when he is about to fall from great heights.
If the Romulan ship was only a mining vessel, then Star Fleet may as well kiss it’s ass goodbye.
No alien titty
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[quote]Shaved wrote:
3. If the Romulan ship was only a mining vessel, then Star Fleet may as well kiss it’s ass goodbye.
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The ship was from more than 100 years into the future 
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I just got back from seeing it a second time and spotted a few interesting things.
1.The captain of the Kelvin was Robert April, his name is displayed on the medical readouts on the Enterprise while he is aboard the Romulan ship.
2.The reason Scotty was put on that barren ice planet was because he p/o’ed Admiral Archer off (the captain Archer in the TV series). Apparently in this timeline, perhaps because April is killed he may have been promoted to Admiral before the Enterprise flew it’s first mission.
3.Look behind Scotty when he first meets Kirk, you might notice a little furry animal there cooing behind Scotty in a clear plastic cage. Just saw one, so maybe it was nuetered.
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The parachute jump from space was probably one of the coolest things I’ve seen on the big screen in a long time. Overall,ILM brought their “A game” with the special effects.
Although,you wonder why they didn’t just beam them onto the drill. But after the later scene of Spock and Kirk beamed into wrong spot aboard Romulan ship,maybe the “space jump” was justified.
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The drill was interfering with the transporter, as well as communications.
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That’s right…that slipped my mind…good looking out.
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Just in terms of puzzling out how all this would fit:
Without this change due to time-travel from the original series’ future – in the original series, Spock served with Pike for 11.4 years.
This movie doesn’t seem to be THAT much earlier than the start of Kirk’s captaincy in TOS. Obviously a number of years earlier, but not I would think 11.
So it would seem that it would be a wrong interpretation that in the alternate reality of this movie, Pike never had any of his missions.
Rather it would seem that Pike probably didn’t have the same Enterprise for all 11.4 years, but there was a refit along the way, or even a new build.
Thus, this Pike, and Spock with him, may have had many missions, for example perhaps including to Talos IV. This is also suggested by the fact that in the movie, a green Orion woman is apparently nothing unusual, whereas this was new to Pike in The Menagerie. And this Enterprise is a refit version of that vessel, or a new build.
This movie is getting overwhelmingly positive reviews and will no doubt generate a ton of cash.
That means that there will be a sequel, without a doubt. There is so much potential I don’t even know where to begin. I’d like to see the Borg get the J.J Abrams treatment.
Star Trek is going to be made COOL for the younger generation. Who’d have thought it?
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[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
2.The reason Scotty was put on that barren ice planet was because he p/o’ed Admiral Archer off (the captain Archer in the TV series). Apparently in this timeline, perhaps because April is killed he may have been promoted to Admiral before the Enterprise flew it’s first mission.[/quote]
No no no no, the first Enteprise under Archer’s command is 100 years before Kirk, and the Enterprise under Picard’s 100 years after Kirk
The green chick was farking hot.
I was reading the intro for Identity Crisis by Joss Whedon and what he said made me think of Star Trek.
“They have to make you feel you’re seeing something new without destroying the familiar.”