Stand Your Ground

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

Ok I’m starting to think that is the Tat on the other arm.[/quote]

? Okay I am slow today, 460 does not compute[/quote]

Tear…have we grown so far apart you no longer understand me…

The other arm has a tattoo that reads “Not In Texas”[/quote]
Lol, well my friend me and OTHERS keep inviting you to a special fortress of solitude, but you keep ducking.

The other one has a tat of a WWJD[/quote]
I have a patch that reads Who Would Jesus Shoot WWJS

And you guys think I’m Joking. I’ve been trying to figure out G for about 4 months. Yes I’m that dense
[/quote]
We have two guys 9 days older than dirt, you could figure it out quick if you just started.

I remember those patches.

Cracks me up.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?[/quote]

We have criminals obviously. Are you really pulling from what I said that we have ZERO criminals in MS? Yes, we have running water and indoor plumbing too. OH and we wear shoes, imagine that. Any more dumbfuck comments from you?

Please take a look at the crime statistics for the blue states and liberal run cities and get back to me. Where gun control is always heavy. So, yes those states have a higher concentration of criminals. If I were a criminal, I would go where I am going to be protected by the courts at every turn. General common sense there.
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You don’t think that has anything to do with the fact that there’s more people on one city block in Newark than there are in half of Mississippi, and so that’s why there’s more criminals?

C’mon. I stayed away from generalizations about how I bet you’ve had sex with at least one of your dogs, and I could point out that Mississippi has the fattest, least educated people in the country. But I don’t, because that’s not the point. New York is the safest big city in the world, and San Francisco is pretty damn safe also. Both liberal areas. So get off the politics, that’s not what people are talking about.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.

[/quote]

We were doing one maneuver where the CO told us to rush down an alley and jump the unit telling us exactly where they would be moving. We slaughtered them wholesale. Lost 1 insurgent and killed the entire seal team.

The seals were pissed and bitching. Their CO told them to shut the fuck up. He was trying to teach them that it was combat and you have to expect the unexpected and for shit to go wrong. And then the rest of the day we got maimed haha.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.

[/quote]

We were doing one maneuver where the CO told us to rush down an alley and jump the unit telling us exactly where they would be moving. We slaughtered them wholesale. Lost 1 insurgent and killed the entire seal team.

The seals were pissed and bitching. Their CO told them to shut the fuck up. He was trying to teach them that it was combat and you have to expect the unexpected and for shit to go wrong. And then the rest of the day we got maimed haha.[/quote]

If i knew you in real life I would make you carry me around in a basket on your back shouting ‘Hodor!’ for holloween.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.

[/quote]

We were doing one maneuver where the CO told us to rush down an alley and jump the unit telling us exactly where they would be moving. We slaughtered them wholesale. Lost 1 insurgent and killed the entire seal team.

The seals were pissed and bitching. Their CO told them to shut the fuck up. He was trying to teach them that it was combat and you have to expect the unexpected and for shit to go wrong. And then the rest of the day we got maimed haha.[/quote]

If i knew you in real life I would make you carry me around in a basket on your back shouting ‘Hodor!’ for holloween. [/quote]
Lol

Or master blaster

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?[/quote]

We have criminals obviously. Are you really pulling from what I said that we have ZERO criminals in MS? Yes, we have running water and indoor plumbing too. OH and we wear shoes, imagine that. Any more dumbfuck comments from you?

Please take a look at the crime statistics for the blue states and liberal run cities and get back to me. Where gun control is always heavy. So, yes those states have a higher concentration of criminals. If I were a criminal, I would go where I am going to be protected by the courts at every turn. General common sense there.
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You don’t think that has anything to do with the fact that there’s more people on one city block in Newark than there are in half of Mississippi, and so that’s why there’s more criminals?

C’mon. I stayed away from generalizations about how I bet you’ve had sex with at least one of your dogs, and I could point out that Mississippi has the fattest, least educated people in the country. But I don’t, because that’s not the point. New York is the safest big city in the world, and San Francisco is pretty damn safe also. Both liberal areas. So get off the politics, that’s not what people are talking about. [/quote]

Well I would go with statistics from crime per person. Obviously you can’t compare gross numbers… Geez.

New York the safest big city in the world? Really? I will just assume you are using an extreme hyperbole here. Because this is laughable. Maybe in the US, but certainly not the world. And last time I checked I don’t take orders from you. You turned it into politics and so did testy. SO you can kiss my dogfucking fat uneducated ass.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.

[/quote]

We were doing one maneuver where the CO told us to rush down an alley and jump the unit telling us exactly where they would be moving. We slaughtered them wholesale. Lost 1 insurgent and killed the entire seal team.

The seals were pissed and bitching. Their CO told them to shut the fuck up. He was trying to teach them that it was combat and you have to expect the unexpected and for shit to go wrong. And then the rest of the day we got maimed haha.[/quote]

If i knew you in real life I would make you carry me around in a basket on your back shouting ‘Hodor!’ for holloween. [/quote]
Lol

Or master blaster [/quote]

I am short, but far from manlet status, wouldnt work.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.

[/quote]

We were doing one maneuver where the CO told us to rush down an alley and jump the unit telling us exactly where they would be moving. We slaughtered them wholesale. Lost 1 insurgent and killed the entire seal team.

The seals were pissed and bitching. Their CO told them to shut the fuck up. He was trying to teach them that it was combat and you have to expect the unexpected and for shit to go wrong. And then the rest of the day we got maimed haha.[/quote]

If i knew you in real life I would make you carry me around in a basket on your back shouting ‘Hodor!’ for holloween. [/quote]

Lmao that would make a good video.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
SO you can kiss my dogfucking fat uneducated ass.[/quote]

It was the retriever, wasn’t it?

I knew it.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
SO you can kiss my dogfucking fat uneducated ass.[/quote]

It was the retriever, wasn’t it?

I knew it.[/quote]

Brah I like my dogs thick. It was the pitts.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?[/quote]

We have criminals obviously. Are you really pulling from what I said that we have ZERO criminals in MS? Yes, we have running water and indoor plumbing too. OH and we wear shoes, imagine that.

Please take a look at the crime statistics for the blue states and liberal run cities and get back to me. Where gun control is always heavy. So, yes those states have a higher concentration of criminals. If I were a criminal, I would go where I am going to be protected by the courts at every turn. General common sense there.
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How about you provide those statistics genius? I believe you will find that per capita you are full of shit. What’s next the blue states have all the welfare recipients too. Any more dumbfuck comments from you?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
SO you can kiss my dogfucking fat uneducated ass.[/quote]

It was the retriever, wasn’t it?

I knew it.[/quote]

Just because they look gay those not mean they all are.

Thats…

Actually I dont know what -ism that is.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?[/quote]

We have criminals obviously. Are you really pulling from what I said that we have ZERO criminals in MS? Yes, we have running water and indoor plumbing too. OH and we wear shoes, imagine that.

Please take a look at the crime statistics for the blue states and liberal run cities and get back to me. Where gun control is always heavy. So, yes those states have a higher concentration of criminals. If I were a criminal, I would go where I am going to be protected by the courts at every turn. General common sense there.
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How about you provide those statistics genius? I believe you will find that per capita you are full of shit. What’s next the blue states have all the welfare recipients too. Any more dumbfuck comments from you?[/quote]

Take a look for yourself on the violent crime stats. Again, I am right. Welfare? Never said anything about that. How are you correlating welfare with crime? Red states have just as much welfare going on maybe more as percentages, we just have less people. Again you make accusations. Maybe you should look at the facts before commenting. Thank you for the more dumbfuck comments and straw man.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
SO you can kiss my dogfucking fat uneducated ass.[/quote]

It was the retriever, wasn’t it?

I knew it.[/quote]

Just because they look gay those not mean they all are.

Thats…

Actually I dont know what -ism that is. [/quote]

My olden resents that remark. He may be gay, but he is proud.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

Take a look for yourself on the violent crime stats. Again, I am right. Welfare? Never said anything about that. How are you correlating welfare with crime? Red states have just as much welfare going on maybe more as percentages, we just have less people. Again you make accusations. Maybe you should look at the facts before commenting. Thank you for the more dumbfuck comments and straw man.[/quote]

Lol taken from the link you provided.

The FBI web site recommends against using its data for ranking because these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.

You started with the assumptions. Do you always get so worked up about little things like this? Might want to get that checked.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

Take a look for yourself on the violent crime stats. Again, I am right. Welfare? Never said anything about that. How are you correlating welfare with crime? Red states have just as much welfare going on maybe more as percentages, we just have less people. Again you make accusations. Maybe you should look at the facts before commenting. Thank you for the more dumbfuck comments and straw man.[/quote]

Lol taken from the link you provided.

The FBI web site recommends against using its data for ranking because these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.

You started with the assumptions. Do you always get so worked up about little things like this? Might want to get that checked.[/quote]

Well realistically you would have to define crime. IE what parameters you are going to consider and not consider. As crime covers a vast swath. I just went with the violent crime stats as those are the ones most correlated to endangering lives.

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Kill them all

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Kill them all[/quote]

and who might ‘them’ be?

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
I think it is pretty easy.
If you legitimately fear for the life of your family/friend/yourself then deadly force is justified.
If you do not fear for a/your life then I do not think its justified.[/quote]

Ya, but how do you prove or even define legitimate fear? Is there a different standard for women, children, cowards, etc…[/quote]
Proving that you were scared for your life?
Come on buddy [/quote]

Do you think it is easy to prove you are scared for your life? People still doubt Zimmerman was scared for his life.

130 lbs guy breaks into your house at 2 AM

Two people are home
Person A: 200lbs former Marine
Person B: 120lbs woman

who is scared?

The answer is: A, A & B, B, or neither. You really don’t know because it’s 100% personal and dependant on the situation.

So how exactly do you justify your blanket statement?[/quote]

I don’t care how big or small you are. If you break into my home, I am going to execute you with extreme prejudice and let my dogs gnaw on your corpse. You don’t fucking break into another man’s home. That is just stupid and asking to be killed. And anyone who lives in a place with extreme gun control laws and has the ability to move is an idiot.

And you don’t have to just fear for your life. You can fear for the life of your spouse or children and be justified in ending them. Your home is where you should be safe and be able to brutally maim and kill anyone trying to endanger that safety.
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I’m with you.

All I am saying to Smashing is that the issue isn’t so black and white as he is making it out to be.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Kill them all[/quote]

and who might ‘them’ be? [/quote]

That seems to be in flux, historically speaking, but not being armed seems to help tremendously when you want to become one of “them”.