Stand Your Ground

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

ha Okkk… Terrific.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

I am pretty sure even MA allows the use of deadly force if someone enters your home, and no you don’t have to run or prove they were meaning you harm. The act of entering is meaning you harm.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

I am pretty sure even MA allows the use of deadly force if someone enters your home, and no you don’t have to run or prove they were meaning you harm. The act of entering is meaning you harm. [/quote]

Most states have some sort of Castle Doctrine, but in a few - and for some reason I thought Mass was one but it might not be - you have a duty to retreat even in your own home.

New Jersey is not like that as far as I can tell, and I have a hard time believing that MOST juries would convict you based on that. But stranger things have happened.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

Oh I understand that the laws vary greatly. I’m coming from the northeast, and the rules here border on ridiculous - my liberal brethren have no concept of the real world in this instance.

That being said, it’s good to know just in case you’re visiting somewhere where the laws are far different than shoot-first Texas.[/quote]
Good point.

I dont believe I would ever travel carrying to the north east, that would be inviting trouble.

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You really can’t travel carrying in some of these states. In New Jersey it’s impossible to get a concealed or open carry license unless you’re a cop more or less. I don’t mind that either, but self-defense situations involve a lot more than just guns. That’s why I tell people they should understand it on a wider level.

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True and I agree.

I dont know if I would ever be able to live in those types of conditions.

How heavy is the Police where you are at? I mean can you basically see a cop every where?

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I have answered a few late night doorbells(past 11) with my gun in my waistban if I wasnt expecting anybody. Once it was a cop who was nice enough to tell me I left my garage open. Couldnt imagine living in a place where my right to protect my home and family would ever come into question.

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And to echo the sentiments, I would never carry when crossing state lines without knowing that states gun laws. Even in florida where we are very open about guns, I was once pulled over for an expired tag, when the officer asked if I had any drugs or weapons in the car I said yes and told him I have a .380 in the glove box. I had to step out of my car and wait for a backup officer before the cop was able to go into my car and check the gun. Afterwords he told me i should be carrying at least a 9m in the car.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
I have answered a few late night doorbells(past 11) with my gun in my waistban if I wasnt expecting anybody. Once it was a cop who was nice enough to tell me I left my garage open. Couldnt imagine living in a place where my right to protect my home and family would ever come into question. [/quote]

I had a guy ring my doorbell after midnight in the rain. Poor guy’s car had run out of gas. So I took him up to the nearest gas station, but I carried and made it known I had it on me. Because he seemed legit, but I still did not trust him. All went well though and he got the gas was appreciative and went about his way.

You have to use judgement of course, but if you are kicking in my door after dark. We are going to have issues.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

Ok I’m starting to think that is the Tat on the other arm.[/quote]
? Okay I am slow today, 460 does not compute[/quote]

Tear…have we grown so far apart you no longer understand me…

The other arm has a tattoo that reads “Not In Texas”

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
True and I agree.

I dont know if I would ever be able to live in those types of conditions.

How heavy is the Police where you are at? I mean can you basically see a cop every where? [/quote]

Unless you’re really out in the boonies - i.e. South Jersey or the Pine Barrens - the police are extremely capable with a very good response time here. We have the highest population density in the nation, so it kind of has to be, and although I’m always a ballbreaker of cops, I really do have to commend them for how well taken care of this state is.

But that’s always the reason why I say carry laws should be state-dependent, and not federally-dictated… in West Texas or Alaska, it could be hours before the one cop in your county can get to you. Limiting gun possession in a place like that is dangerous to the populace.

In New Jersey though, guns aren’t part of the culture, and even though I grew up with scumbags of the best kind, rarely was any mention of a gun made in relation to street violence unless you were in the ghetto. But that was a different type of violence.

I have to say it would be strange for me to live in a place where everyone was carrying pistols. So I can understand your feelings haha.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

I am pretty sure even MA allows the use of deadly force if someone enters your home, and no you don’t have to run or prove they were meaning you harm. The act of entering is meaning you harm. [/quote]

Most states have some sort of Castle Doctrine, but in a few - and for some reason I thought Mass was one but it might not be - you have a duty to retreat even in your own home.

New Jersey is not like that as far as I can tell, and I have a hard time believing that MOST juries would convict you based on that. But stranger things have happened.[/quote]

MA used to be a flee first state. I only learned of the change recently actually.

I also have a hard time thinking a jury is going to send you to jail if you had young kids in the house etc, and used deadly force.

HOWEVER< and this is a big however, if you use a semiautomatic pistol that has a post-ban mag (think weapon manufactured post ban, and/or date stamp on mag) that holds more than 10 rounds, you will do time for an illegal weapons charge.

It is sorta funny. MA is a “shall issue” for an FID card which makes all .22’s, bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns legal to have in your home or use on the range. You pretty much have to kill the pope to not get your FID. So MA, while pretty shitty on their guns laws, is pretty okay with people defending their homes…

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

Ok I’m starting to think that is the Tat on the other arm.[/quote]
? Okay I am slow today, 460 does not compute[/quote]

Tear…have we grown so far apart you no longer understand me…

The other arm has a tattoo that reads “Not In Texas”[/quote]
Lol, well my friend me and OTHERS keep inviting you to a special fortress of solitude, but you keep ducking.

The other one has a tat of a WWJD

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I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?

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I only know what is in my heart and mind. I can maybe guess what family, friends may be thinking. The Idea that I should stop and consider the intentions of someone breaking into my home, car while I’m inside is something I will never attempt.

My only thought is of my safety and the safety of my family. My only intent is to stop the other person from his continued action with what I can only reason must be harm to me or my family.

And I picked the only sure way to stop him.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

Call me crazy but this sounds like the most fun thing ever. It is like I was 8 years old again, but much much cooler, and I could go have a beer after…

God damn, I would let them shoot me for free.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The public’s conception of what self-defense is and when it applies is vastly different than the legal definitions are and how they are applied and argued in court.

Seriously, most of the times you think it’s self-defense, it’s not. You’ve got to be more or less cornered, with no ability to retreat, and you’ve got to understand use of force continuums - if a guy spits on you, you can’t shoot him. If he’s on top of you trying to stab you, and you wrestle the knife away and boot him in the ribs and he’s on the ground moaning, if you stab him, it’s murder.

Seriously, go to this site and read if you’re really interested in this…

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm[/quote]
Irish again things are a little different in Texas and the South[/quote]

Ok I’m starting to think that is the Tat on the other arm.[/quote]

? Okay I am slow today, 460 does not compute[/quote]

Tear…have we grown so far apart you no longer understand me…

The other arm has a tattoo that reads “Not In Texas”[/quote]
Lol, well my friend me and OTHERS keep inviting you to a special fortress of solitude, but you keep ducking.

The other one has a tat of a WWJD[/quote]
I have a patch that reads Who Would Jesus Shoot WWJS

And you guys think I’m Joking. I’ve been trying to figure out G for about 4 months. Yes I’m that dense

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
True and I agree.

I dont know if I would ever be able to live in those types of conditions.

How heavy is the Police where you are at? I mean can you basically see a cop every where? [/quote]

Unless you’re really out in the boonies - i.e. South Jersey or the Pine Barrens - the police are extremely capable with a very good response time here. We have the highest population density in the nation, so it kind of has to be, and although I’m always a ballbreaker of cops, I really do have to commend them for how well taken care of this state is.

But that’s always the reason why I say carry laws should be state-dependent, and not federally-dictated… in West Texas or Alaska, it could be hours before the one cop in your county can get to you. Limiting gun possession in a place like that is dangerous to the populace.

In New Jersey though, guns aren’t part of the culture, and even though I grew up with scumbags of the best kind, rarely was any mention of a gun made in relation to street violence unless you were in the ghetto. But that was a different type of violence.

I have to say it would be strange for me to live in a place where everyone was carrying pistols. So I can understand your feelings haha.[/quote]
Look I know Texas has this presentation that we all were Stetsons, park our horses closest to the entrance of Wal Mart and we all carry a sidearm on our hip.

However truth is in rural areas a lot of people carry for the very reason you stated. My father is on a 100 acre cattle ranch and he carries all the time.

I live in the 3rd largest city in the US, I dont carry. To much of a hassle really with my work, I have to go to job sites like Exxon. I could end up never being allowed on site again.

But at home I have stuff readily available.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Not hyperbole, if you break into my home I am going to empty my clip into you or until you are on the ground not moving. Then call 911. You have to end the threat. I have no idea in the middle of the night what weapons or what you have on your person. The threat is over when the person is no longer moving or conscious.

I may have taken it a bit far, but prepare to lose your life if you break into my home. That being said you have to be extremely dumb or high to break into my house. It sits about 400 yard off the road in the country and has 3 pits, a great dane, and golden retriever roaming the yard. Glad I live in MS and not New Jersey.[/quote]

Well, I’m always glad that I live in New Jersey and not Mississippi. So I guess we agree on that one.

That being said, your idea of a home invasion is a little more cut and dried than what can actually happen. Many things can go on and situations can arise where you might have to show restraint, otherwise you’re going to be in front of a jury. And if that jury is filled with the cast of the Dukes of Hazard, then you’re fine, but if you’re in another place, it’s not so easy.[/quote]

Agreed, you have to be cognizant of where you are. But I would rather be in prison serving 30 with my family safe than them being killed or injured because some liberal assholes have a love fest with criminals and the poor downtrodden souls that commit heinous acts.

It sickens me how so many northern states do everything to protect the criminals and fuck the innocent. I will never understand that mindset and will never live in a blue state.[/quote]

Well… don’t worry. We don’t want you. Stay in Mississippi. [/quote]

Good keep all the criminals up there too. We enjoy your states being infested with them, so they don’t come here.[/quote]

Yes I am sure there are no criminals in Mississippi. Do you even have jails?[/quote]

We have criminals obviously. Are you really pulling from what I said that we have ZERO criminals in MS? Yes, we have running water and indoor plumbing too. OH and we wear shoes, imagine that. Any more dumbfuck comments from you?

Please take a look at the crime statistics for the blue states and liberal run cities and get back to me. Where gun control is always heavy. So, yes those states have a higher concentration of criminals. If I were a criminal, I would go where I am going to be protected by the courts at every turn. General common sense there.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
I have taken extensive courses in room clearing and enhanced carry. I also go over to a seal training facility fairly often and opt in for being against the seals and various special forces in maneuvers with paintball guns. Mostly dress up as insurgents and they work room and building clearing. Or street combat. It is a huge facility in Arkansas. And also near me there is a big seal training complex in Walls, MS where a lot of seal team 6 was trained. They have a building with movable walls and it is completely customizable. It is where they had a complete replica of the building where Osama was down to the exact doorknobs and locks. It is pretty wild.

And this is no way saying I am badass. We all usually leave the training facility covered in bruises from paintballs after getting our asses handed to us by those badasses. You get paid for the day though. And you learn a lot.[/quote]

The best part about that story is that @ 300 lbs you have to be the biggest target to hit lol.

They shouldnt dress you up as an insurgent, they should dress you up as a bear and just let you charge them.