Duh. The king of lifts is the squat-rack curls. Any massive bodybuilder with a shred of self-respect will tell you that ^^
Deadlifts are my favorite, long arms for the win. Squats usually feel like a chore, long femurs for the lose.
That being said, I did a squat centric program for 4 weeks recently, and noticeably put on size all over my body. So, I think for hypertrophy, Squats are pretty brilliant. I still prefer deadlifts, cause nothing beats ripping a bunch of weight off the floor.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I’m about 6`4" and have long femurs with average length arms, and my deadlift is proportionally MUCH higher than my squat and bench. Its almost like I was born to deadlift.
I seem to recall that some previous deadlift world record holders were of similar bone structure to mine. [/quote]
I agree, while I’m only 5’11", I have proportionally long ass legs and arms. My squat is terrible, 245atg on a good day, but my deadlift is around 385.
Also, I can deadlift more using the straight leg approach than conventional, which strikes me as odd.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
ghostreiter wrote:
Ah,but the squat, that mightist lift of lifts, that noble,unforgiving king, is an entirerly different story. the squat can take years,sometimes a life time, to master.it is simulatneosly an art,a test of courage and mental fortitude, and lastly, the supreme builder of raw unadaulterated power,stregth, and of a man.
Consider this discussion over,plebians
Did you wander over here from the Animalpak forums?
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lol
deadlifts (and rack pulls) built my back nice. deadlifts will also build your forearms. most videos i see of people lifting monstrous weight with the deadlift also have big legs. i agree with the other poster who said squats feel more like a chore. i only do legs because i have to, i actually enjoy deadlifting.
bttomline is that you need both, or at least some variation of both. deadlifts will build your upper body better than anything else. itll give you massive traps and entire back giving your body a powerful shape. of course you want massive legs so you have to do something for them which is why you need squats. both are also very good for anabolic reasons as both will release GH and test.
My guess is that whichever lift someone chooses will also happen to be that persons better lift.
The load is the king of all.
I like to do both.
Snatch grip deadlift on a platform. It’s like doing both simultaneously, but I’d rather do them separately. Both are useful. Use them both.
DL all the way! Squats have begun to hurt my hips, Paul Anderson spent the last 2 yrs of his life in a wheelchair despite 2 hip replacement surgeries due to squats.
Although I can squat alot more than DL I still prefer DL’s. I’m hoping DLs will do for me what yrs of squatting have.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
They both have advantages, and they are both different exercises. The deadlift is basically a back exercise (due to the ROM over which the legs are used) while the squat is predominantly a gluteal exercise (with the spinal erects worked isometrically).
(yeah posterior chain and what not) I always view a deadlift more as a TEST of overall strength rather than a mass-and strength builder (not that it does not) For building overall mass, you can’t beat the squat.
Doing heavy deads will widen your back over time (till you break something lol) and heavy squats will build up your glutes and hams (and quads depending on how you do em) but from an overall body mass perspective, nothing can match the mass building effects of the squat.
Even Pavel asks the wiry strength practitioners (who want to avoid hypertrophy) to choose the deadlift over the squat because of the squats tendency to add mass. Food for thought. His “bear protocol” for adding mass involves heavy squatting twice a week.
Given a choice (as in do just one) most bbers would go with the squat. The very idea of being crushed by a heavy-ass weight seems to trigger growth in the body.
that said, adding the leg press to a proepr routine with squats, rather than simply doing squats will elicit much more leg hypertrophy than just doing squats.[/quote]
you approached this stuff with precision. I completly agree with your opinion. DL shapes you in a certain way, squat enlarges you. Just put both together and will get superior results.
This thread is nearly a yr old but still a valid question. I like DL’s personally. Being a third-class level the squat is basically a balancing act and has a very unnatural feel to it IMO, although it is very productive. But is that product advantageous? I think not.
I squatted heavy for yrs and have the GO-rilla but to show it. The hams, low back, abs, lats, traps, delts, forarms all receive more stimulation.
Power To The People!!!
Deadlifts are more fun and a more demanding workout, but they’re a hell of a lot easier to screw up. If I’m overdoing it or rounding my back on a squat, I know right then and there and I can adjust. If I fuck up a deadlift and someone isn’t watching me, I really only find out later when my lower back is screaming. So the squat has a real advantage there.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
Paul Anderson spent the last 2 yrs of his life in a wheelchair despite 2 hip replacement surgeries due to squats.[/quote]
Lies, heresy, propaganda, fear-mongering! Squats did not claim him!
He was all crippled up from kidney disease, clearly from all that protein!
Oh yeah, and I vote squats.
-Sab
[quote]supabeast wrote:
Deadlifts are more fun and a more demanding workout, but they’re a hell of a lot easier to screw up. If I’m overdoing it or rounding my back on a squat, I know right then and there and I can adjust. If I fuck up a deadlift and someone isn’t watching me, I really only find out later when my lower back is screaming. So the squat has a real advantage there.[/quote]
^ 100% total agreement! Squats are a third-class lever balancing act. The DL builds a much more impressive physique. BIG traps and a tight butt will get you laid much faster & by a higher quality 5’0, 105lb, short haired, A-cup cutie, w/ a muscular little frame anyway.
Leg training king: Squat
Back training king: Rack pull
Do both, hit both hard and heavy.
/thread
The fact that you can train squats a lot more often then deadlifts is a big plus for squats. Particularly with regard to beginners. Rippetoe’s program has beginner’s squatting 3 times a week. Try deadlifting 3 times a week and you’ll burn out real quick.
This is too difficult of a call, because they are not the same obviously. One is more quad dominant while the other is more hip dominant. Do both and enjoy the dual benefits. I do believe that squatting causes more damage within the muscle from the increased range of motion and eccentric lowering of the weight IMO.
[quote]DL495 wrote:
This thread is nearly a yr old but still a valid question. I like DL’s personally. Being a third-class level the squat is basically a balancing act and has a very unnatural feel to it IMO, although it is very productive. But is that product advantageous? I think not.
I squatted heavy for yrs and have the GO-rilla but to show it. The hams, low back, abs, lats, traps, delts, forarms all receive more stimulation.
Power To The People!!![/quote]
GO-rilla butt, for the win! Seriously, I love me some butt on a man. Deadlifts are fun, because I can pull more weight, but I think that squats demand more mental fortitude and explosive strength. Squats are my favorite.
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