lol how did I know this was going to be a long thread?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
because its not like i cant get that low if need to minus the weight. and if i can make progess a different way than why not do that?
your point view to me seems like if there was a road covered by boulders and another street next to it that took you to the same place you would rather invest time in clearing the debris rather than going the other road.
you dont think leg presses and exts add size and seperation? i hope thats not what youre saying because the number of people who know their shit around here seems to be decreasing and id hate to toss you into the sandbox along with the others.
When the road with rocks in the way is the shorter, smarter direction, yes it can be worth it.
I was really saying separation is more a combination of muscle size and your leanness (the parts you can control). A muscle can only contract and relax, your pecs don’t know the difference between a HS machine and a bench if load on them is the same. But like I said, that’s another thread.[/quote]
what your saying isnt what im saying at all.
you can hit your quads different ways with a leg extension by pointing your feet in different directions. i personally like to stick my feet out away because it hits a muscle that is more involved with the apperance of width and my quads are already dominant by the muscle near the knee.
it isnt really another thread, its a common…well maybe not common known fact.
the reason i stress i the weight on a box squat is because…well isnt there a whole 'nother thread about muscle density and myogenic tone? you guys might wanna read that if you dont know the reason why heavy weights are crucial.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
If you can get that low, you shouldn’t have to use substantially less weight unless you’ve been going higher than you think or you’re having form issues. Considering that this is the bodybuilding section, I fail to see why you’re stressing the actual load on the bar over the training effect.
Personally I’m not saying you can’t mostly use box squats (although they’re not really considered much of a quad exercise unless you’re doing them weird). I just think there’s something to be said for including full squats somewhere in your program to at least maintain or increase hip mobility. [/quote]
…im not knocking atg squats, im just saying theres plenty of ways to add size without them. but on this site if you ever question the squat, deadlift, or any olympic lift, a hailstorm of shit is released and the presence of the cultists is felt.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can hit your quads different ways with a leg extension by pointing your feet in different directions. i personally like to stick my feet out away because it hits a muscle that is more involved with the apperance of width and my quads are already dominant by the muscle near the knee.
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What part of the quad do you think you are hitting by pointing your feet away from your body?
this is getting comical. I expect some response with the use of the word wicked in it soon. man like I get some wicked DOMS from crossing my eyes when I do (sic)leg extensions.
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can hit your quads different ways with a leg extension by pointing your feet in different directions. i personally like to stick my feet out away because it hits a muscle that is more involved with the apperance of width and my quads are already dominant by the muscle near the knee.
What part of the quad do you think you are hitting by pointing your feet away from your body?[/quote]
the part of the quad that is emphasized more, dick.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can hit your quads different ways with a leg extension by pointing your feet in different directions. i personally like to stick my feet out away because it hits a muscle that is more involved with the apperance of width and my quads are already dominant by the muscle near the knee.
What part of the quad do you think you are hitting by pointing your feet away from your body?
the part of the quad that is emphasized more, dick.[/quote]
I think he was saying that when you turn your feet outwards on the leg extension, you may place more emphasis on the vastus medialis or teardrop, which was not the one you wanted to target.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can hit your quads different ways with a leg extension by pointing your feet in different directions. i personally like to stick my feet out away because it hits a muscle that is more involved with the apperance of width and my quads are already dominant by the muscle near the knee.
What part of the quad do you think you are hitting by pointing your feet away from your body?
the part of the quad that is emphasized more, dick.[/quote]
LOL - I asked because from your description it sounds like you are simply emphasizing the part of the quad that is already dominant in your leg and you are neglecting, both from your foot position on extensions and your depth with the squats, the part of the quad that is associated with the “width” or the sweep of the quad.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wfifer wrote:
If you can get that low, you shouldn’t have to use substantially less weight unless you’ve been going higher than you think or you’re having form issues. Considering that this is the bodybuilding section, I fail to see why you’re stressing the actual load on the bar over the training effect.
Personally I’m not saying you can’t mostly use box squats (although they’re not really considered much of a quad exercise unless you’re doing them weird). I just think there’s something to be said for including full squats somewhere in your program to at least maintain or increase hip mobility.
…im not knocking atg squats, im just saying theres plenty of ways to add size without them. but on this site if you ever question the squat, deadlift, or any olympic lift, a hailstorm of shit is released and the presence of the cultists is felt.[/quote]
Live, you can personally train however you want and I won’t knock that, but FWIW I started a little over a year ago doing ATG squats. I dropped a lot of weight from my regular squatting to do so, but slowly built the strength up with full ROM. I can now do what homeboy did in the original video.
My point is…even if you drop down to 135lb and do ATG, while slowly working your way back up to what you are lifting now, that you will make mor improvements reguarding your legs overall.
At least it worked for me…
DG
yea, pointing my toes out works the part of my leg that i dont feel at all when i do it. thanks for clearifying.
i hate how sarcastic i have to be here but holy shit. like guys really, do you think i make up where i feel it?
781-
If it is a mobility issue, fix it, I ran marathons and even a 100 mile race, all while still training hard and squatting deep.
A good, deep squat may be all the hip and knee mobility work you need and it helped eliminate issues I’d previously had from squatting wrong and from all the running. Your body will thank you for it.
If it’s not a mobility issue, then shake the sand out of your vagina and admit that you hate to lose weight on a movement, or that it hurts too much, or that it makes you nauseous.
And of course other things work for making your quads sexy. Nobody ever doubted that, but I’m quite sure that Mr. Dimas attributes his quads solely from squatting movements.
http://www.olympionikes.gr/site/images/stories/dimas1%20(Small).jpg
Please don’t call me a pussy like you’ve done to so many others unless you’ve had all these things happen to you due to training:
Pissed blood, shit blood, abrasions, cuts, blisters covering entire bottoms of feet, hallucinations, tremors, hypothermia, heat exhaustion, or been attacked by a rattlesnake.
The point is: Everyone here trains hard. Don’t insult who and what you don’t know.
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.[/quote]
It’s like he’s trying to speak to me, I know it.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.[/quote]
And you’re bringing up the curve?
Look at your post count. Try reading a few of them. You have contributed as much or more noise than the “majority of this site”.
If you don’t care what others here think, then stop reading.
If you don’t want your bullshit critiqued, then stop posting.
FWIW, I did legs last night. Full ATG squats, GM, lunges, calves, leg curl/leg ext. It works for me, may not work for you. However, I’m not going to sit on this thread for a week typing up some diatribe about how all who disagree with me are drinking Koolaid in the sand box.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.[/quote]
I’ve posted under 30 times, and usually avoid it at all costs, in favor of learning from those better than me, and in order to train (and masturbate).
I’m not big. I don’t want to be and my line of work doesn’t allow it. But I have my body where it needs to be to do what I have to. I’m also not brainwashed. I take everything I read with a grain of salt. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with a Bachelor of Arts, so I’m probably not retarded either.
That would be why I asked you to refrain from the insults. But then again, your articulation and grammar are both impeccable, so I’m afraid that my efforts to stop your caustic and witty juggernaut of athletic and bodybuilding reason are in vain.
Of course, if your full back squat (an excellent measure of physical strength) is 135 lbs, that absolutely demands enough respect from others on this site. So guys…back off. We’ve got a big, strong fella lifting some serious weights here. He probably dead-lifts 225!!!
i havent done a conventional deadlift in months but my rackpull is 435x8. and my boxsquat is 315x5-6 …i dont feel like checking the log. my box squat is also the same as my RDL.
so its not that i cant move weight. its that i do certain lifts to accomodate me and lifts that are going to be the best for me. last time i checked it was about what works for me, not you.
my whole point through this whole thing has just been that not everyone is going to do the same thing, so dont try to force the same thing on everyone which it looks like you guys do with cultist conviction.
have you looked at flex wheeleres training video? he does nothing but pushdowns and preacher curls. but wait how are his arms big without closegrip benchpress’ on a board with bands? because thats the only thing that gives you good triceps right?
im done with this thread though. ive said what ive had to say. you guys can take it and skew it all you want but that doesnt change a thing in real life.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.[/quote]
it’s funny that you consider yourself one of the L33T!!
781 is L33T!! all bow
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
those things wouldnt happen to me because they know better.
lol@telling me not to insult people because i dont know what they do when everyone has ust assumed that i dont go atg cause i dont want to.
majority of this doesnt train for shit; majority of this site is retarded/brainwashed. which is why the minority of this site is people who actually lift and from what ive heard why anyone who was actually big left.
it’s funny that you consider yourself one of the L33T!!
781 is L33T!! all bow[/quote]
no, i dont think im elite right now. but at least i can comprehend that theres many roads thatll take you to the same place. i mean what this whole thing really boils down to is not being able to accept that. i said i dont like to squat that low because of immobility and im not after a lowsquat trophy, im after hypertrophy which i can meet with other methods. pz
And we’ve seen your pictures and are very impressed.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i havent done a conventional deadlift in months but my rackpull is 435x8. and my boxsquat is 315x5-6 …i dont feel like checking the log. my box squat is also the same as my RDL.
so its not that i cant move weight. its that i do certain lifts to accomodate me and lifts that are going to be the best for me. last time i checked it was about what works for me, not you.
my whole point through this whole thing has just been that not everyone is going to do the same thing, so dont try to force the same thing on everyone which it looks like you guys do with cultist conviction.
have you looked at flex wheeleres training video? he does nothing but pushdowns and preacher curls. but wait how are his arms big without closegrip benchpress’ on a board with bands? because thats the only thing that gives you good triceps right?
im done with this thread though. ive said what ive had to say. you guys can take it and skew it all you want but that doesnt change a thing in real life.
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I hear what you’re saying, and again if what you are doing is working for you, keep at it.
But, I don’t think using Flex Wheeler as an example is a great one. Wheeler was a genetic mutant and was notoriously lazy when it came to training. Him Dillet and possibly Matarazzo were just from another planet than the majority of us (including most pro BB’ers), and it’s not all that wise to structure your workout, or form your paradigms, based on what people like these do.
I agree that close grip bench or board presses aren’t needed to build big triceps, but they are a good triceps builder nonetheless. They have a substantially higher potential for progression than something like a reverse grip pushdown. That doesn’t mean that the reverse grip pushdown isn’t an effective exercise, but it’s not going to build huge amounts of mass on most people’s arms in and of itself. The close grips on the other hand do have that potential.
Don’t make the same mistake that you are accusing others of making and twist people saying that “close grip bench is among the best triceps builders” into “you can’t build big triceps without using close grip bench”.