[quote]AtleticoMadrid wrote:
I was thinking of ordering this and using it, but I also have a brother who does not train. Would he also derive some benefit from adding 5 grams to his meals despite the lack of training? I realize it’s much better to use it with meals in conjunction with a training regimen but was just curious since I’d be willing to spring for more if he could also benefit to some degree.[/quote]
Only if he’s somehow protein deficient.
As an example, scientists are proposing Leucine supplementation in old people who don’t/can’t get enough complete protein in their diet.
[quote]alexisonfireuk wrote:
Thought normal whey powders have Leucine in anyway? 1 shake of the cheapest brand i could find on the net have 10.2g of Leucine, and its a hell of a lot cheaper then the suppliment on its own.
so why not just have a shake/ small shakes throughtout the day?[/quote]
Your whey protein shake has 10.2 grams of Leucine per serving?
I am currently at the tail end of my cut, with about 4-6 weeks remaining until I am where I want to be and just ordered a bottle. Would there be any benefits to taking something like this during a cut (aside from the muscle-sparing properties of BCAA), or would it be best to wait until my next mass phase to crack this stuff open?
Thanks.[/quote]
Sure. It ensures you’re getting the most anabolic potential out of the little amount of food you’re eating.
The article doesn’t say how were your results after 4 weeks?[/quote]
Given that this is a protein product (food) and not a product that affects hormones or increases capacity to do work (like Beta-Alanine or something along those lines), measurable results probably take longer to judge.
I’ve been supplementing with leucine the past 5 weeks or so and I think it does make you leaner. I’ve been using it before during and after workouts mixed in my workout drink and I can’t really taste it. However, I’ve had powder BCAAs before and the taste was terrible, so leucine must not be the bad tasting amino acid, but it definately is the one that doesn’t mix too well. The stuff is like glitter, I have it everywhere now.
I’ve also been supplementing as it were BCAAs so between meals with an apple or milk and upon waking and before bed. I know there is some theory about too much leucine will pull the other BCAAs out of your muscle, but don’t think I exceed the 20g a day. Is that why you shouldn’t exceed 20?
Overall I am happy with the leucine because it is quite a bit cheaper than BCAAs, and I think it helps with recovery, muscle building, and promoting leanness.
A buddy of mine who is a CSCS, pro bb, and pharma rep told me that leucine needs to be taken in the proper ratio with the other two aminos in the BCAA trio to be poperly absorbed and have the “desired” effects; is this true and if so why not just take BCAA powder? (eventhough it tastes like ass).
[quote]matttchew wrote:
A buddy of mine who is a CSCS, pro bb, and pharma rep told me that leucine needs to be taken in the proper ratio with the other two aminos in the BCAA trio to be poperly absorbed and have the “desired” effects; is this true and if so why not just take BCAA powder? (eventhough it tastes like ass).[/quote]
He’s behind the times. Tell him to read the current research.
You could take the BCAA powder, but you’d probably have to take 20 grams four times a day to get the desired amount of Leucine.
Based upon this study (Rieu, Isabelle. Leucine supplementation improves muscle protein synthesis in elderly men independently of hyperaminoacidaemia. J. Physiol. 2006;575;305-15) it would appear that BCAA’s are all one needs to use to meet the specifications as outlined in the research. I understand that they used 5gm/meal of leucine but that does not imply in any way that 15gm, 20gm are required…only thaht they used 5gm in their testing. Further testing would be necessary to demonstrate the minimum amount required to achieve equivalent results.
I am already convinced that BCAA’s are needed and this article simply reinforces that need as well as the benefit of leucine as part of the BCAA complex.
Are there any issues with taking leucine and digestive aids, such as ACV, betaine HCL and bromelain? Will these negate the effects of leucine in any manner?
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Actually, I have a serious question:
Are there any issues with taking leucine and digestive aids, such as ACV, betaine HCL and bromelain? Will these negate the effects of leucine in any manner?[/quote]
No, we’ve never stumbled on anything that indicates digestive enzymes would negatively affect Leucine or any BCAA’s.
As I understand it, bromelain helps break proteins into their constituent amino acids, but no farther.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m thinking upon waking with food, PWO, and before bed with a shake would be optimal times. That establishes 3 out of 4 oppurtunities.
Try the pre-workout meal, too.
That’s what I’d do: breakfast, preworkout, PWO (meal, not shake), bedtime meal/shake.
GetSwole wrote:
TC wrote:
And R-ALA, funny you should ask…
If there is a decent pricetag on that, you’ll have an order.
In the past I have called two products from Biotest that will contain R-ALA and another that contains D-Ribose. Let’s see which ones pan out.
And TC,
If I’m wrong, I hope it rains in San Diego…for like, a month!![/quote]
They already did have a product for awhile in the early days with ribose that was called Ribose-C. Would be interesting if they came back to it, although I can’t recall why they stopped making it.
I had a feeling Laynes research would be included here. There’s a guy who can not only talk the talk, but walk the walk.
I tried this during my last cut and it seemed to preserve muscle mass very well. I am now doing this exact protocol on my bulk for the last 2 weeks. Won’t comment on any improvements yet as I feel at least a month’s worth of this protocol will be necessary to see drastic improvements.