Speaking In Tongues

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[quote]Dragon wrote:

nope, didnt know that. I just did a google search and as you say it is the oldest version. This might sound a little dumb, but it was late and for some reason I thought the dead sea scrolls was this “missing books of the bible” books I read about 4 years back. Thay were interesting but my pastor and a few other pastors told me to watch out about those kind of books. I was wrong, sorry if I affended anybody. [/quote]

Your spelling, grammar, and inability to think for yourself “affend” me.

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[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
How do you know that someone is going to hell because they don’t believe in the same thing you do? And why would you wish someone to have their souls infinitely tormented? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone save child molesters, rapists, etc. and certainly not for a damn eternity…and stop saying “God will do this and that,” as far as I’m concerned we all could get up there and he could flip the script completely, not trying to take away anything from the Bible or anything…[/quote]

#1.As long as they believe in whats said in the bible, then thay wont have to worry about going to hell, will they.who cares what I say, im not jesus or god, but you better believe in what god or jesus says or well see when jesus returns whos going to hell or not.
#2. If there evil and not a christian and not willing to axcept jesus as there savior(which is the only way to go to heaven now)then yes, they will burn in hell. Im all for it, 2 thumbs up.
#3. Sure if they ask for redemtion and except jesus, then cool, but if not, then fry them evil sob’s.
#4.I’ll say what ever I like and if you dont like it you dont have to take the time to comment.
#5. For us that do get up there, sure we will learn a lot & a lot of stuff will be made crystal clear. But as far as god saying your to hell even if you except jesus, then thats complete horse shit (if thats what you mean by flip the script?).

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Dragon wrote:

nope, didnt know that. I just did a google search and as you say it is the oldest version. This might sound a little dumb, but it was late and for some reason I thought the dead sea scrolls was this “missing books of the bible” books I read about 4 years back. Thay were interesting but my pastor and a few other pastors told me to watch out about those kind of books. I was wrong, sorry if I affended anybody.

Your spelling, grammar, and inability to think for yourself “affend” me.
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gooood, tough guy. Hope thissss affendssss youuu evennnn more. I could care less what you think, you nobody to me. I have no respect for asshole like you.

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[quote]larryb wrote:
Dragon wrote:
nope, didnt know that. I just did a google search and as you say it is the oldest version. This might sound a little dumb, but it was late and for some reason I thought the dead sea scrolls was this “missing books of the bible” books I read about 4 years back. Thay were interesting but my pastor and a few other pastors told me to watch out about those kind of books. I was wrong, sorry if I affended anybody.

See, I was right. This can’t be a real person.
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I do have a pulse, dumbass. What are you…a zombie?

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[quote]Dragon wrote:

gooood, tough guy. Hope thissss affendssss youuu evennnn more. I could care less what you think, you nobody to me. I have no respect for asshole like you. [/quote]

I love to see that Christian spirit shining through.

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[quote]Dragon wrote:
I do have a pulse, dumbass. What are you…a zombie?[/quote]

Hmmm, that bit doesn’t really fit. The pure fundamentalist archetype wouldn’t use the word “dumbass”. It could be a clever bit of deception though.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Dragon wrote:

gooood, tough guy. Hope thissss affendssss youuu evennnn more. I could care less what you think, you nobody to me. I have no respect for asshole like you.

I love to see that Christian spirit shining through.[/quote]

Itssss shininggggg. Are we having fun yet?

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[quote]larryb wrote:
Dragon wrote:
I do have a pulse, dumbass. What are you…a zombie?

Hmmm, that bit doesn’t really fit. The pure fundamentalist archetype wouldn’t use the word “dumbass”. It could be a clever bit of deception though.[/quote]

“pure fundamentalist archetype” WHAT THE FUCK? LOL! Talk about some judgemental, brokeback mountain, …yada yad nada nada…hsit amn. OLL!

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This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

For someone who is full of God’s love, you’re an uptight, angry little bastard, aren’t you?

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[quote]Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

For someone who is full of God’s love, you’re an uptight, angry little bastard, aren’t you?[/quote]

no, just not one to take shit from anybody and will give my opinion on things on the bible. Are we a little uptight? or a angry little bastard? im not , but are you?

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[quote]Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

For someone who is full of God’s love, you’re an uptight, angry little bastard, aren’t you?[/quote]

He’s a fictional personality I tell you. I refuse to believe otherwise.

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[quote]Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.
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Agreed, I enjoyed the thread and hearing what Christians were saying about the topic but seriously Dragon, and with all respect, I dont think that you are doing yourself, or christians all over the world any justice with your attitude or responses.

If you are a seriuos commited christian I would have thought that threads like this were an opportunity to share the story of Gods love for everybody and not just jump into angry personal attacks.

Just my two cents.

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[quote]helga wrote:
Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

Agreed, I enjoyed the thread and hearing what Christians were saying about the topic but seriously Dragon, and with all respect, I dont think that you are doing yourself, or christians all over the world any justice with your attitude or responses.

If you are a seriuos commited christian I would have thought that threads like this were an opportunity to share the story of Gods love for everybody and not just jump into angry personal attacks.

Just my two cents.[/quote]

I was at first trying to share some serious stuff on the the topic and a few other I tried to bring into this thread to give people a heads up on. But when people start atacking your opinions and at least not willing to respect it then of course I will think out loud. With the last couple posters im not taking it serious but more of a few people just shooting the shit back and forth. I could come off with a bunch of friendly advice and turn the cheek to those that dont agree, but im a sinner just like everybody else. And at times I dont feel like playing nice guy and get caught up in the fleshy sinfull state.

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[quote]pkradgreek wrote:
they could also be possesed by demons.

please don’t pick out Holy Bible versus without having the knowledge and history to know what they mean.[/quote]

In fact, you shouldn’t have an opinion about anything before you’ve extensively researched it. That’s what’s so convenient about the Catholic Church: they’ve taken the trouble to tell you what to think so you don’t have to worry about muddling up the meanings with your uneducated mind.

[quote]Dragon wrote:

blah blah blah

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Woah, a biblical troll? Well played sir. Seriously, this is a serious candidate for heavier moderation of the boards. We can’t have a discussion about anything without someone coming in and talking out of their ass.

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[quote]Dragon wrote:
Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

For someone who is full of God’s love, you’re an uptight, angry little bastard, aren’t you?

no, just not one to take shit from anybody and will give my opinion on things on the bible. Are we a little uptight? or a angry little bastard? im not , but are you?[/quote]

You’re not giving your opinion on the bible. You’re throwing around insults like a pissy little girl because someone pointed out that your spelling is shit.

This thread was about speaking in tongues, something I find interesting because it transcends Christianity into religions such as Hoodoo, black magic, and even European pagan practices.

Unless you have something constructive to add, please shut the fuck up and let the adults talk.

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[quote]larryb wrote:
Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

For someone who is full of God’s love, you’re an uptight, angry little bastard, aren’t you?

He’s a fictional personality I tell you. I refuse to believe otherwise.[/quote]

Hi, my name beta v.187. Im actually a cumputer program that responds to people with a fictional attitude about non-fictional topics…LOL

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I just listened to NPR’s “Speaking of Faith” about pentecostal churches, which believe in speaking in tongues, which is the type of church you may have attended.
It was very interesting, in that pentecostal churches seem to have a huge mix of rich and poor and all races, which is refreshing. You could probably find a podcast of it online. Just for kicks, I tried speaking in gibberish for a few minutes, and it was actually really fun. It was hard to avoid English words, and seemed to use a different part of the brain. This is different from speaking an Earthly language that you don’t know, but I found it relaxing at any rate.

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[quote]Dragon wrote:
This is still not the verse I was talking about. You might want to ask next time before you say this is the verse or you might end up saying the wrong thing like I did earlier with the dead sea scroll thing.[/quote]

Fair enough…

I did a search on the text based on the information you provided, and that was the closest I could find for a warning against laying your hands on someone. Since you didn’t have the exact verse I thought that would be helpful

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I know far more about this subject than I’d ever really care to. The wikipedia entry posted early should give you the general facts of the matter. One thing that may not be mentioned is that some of the most fundamentalist, Pentacostal churches will only consider “tongues” to be legitimate if it is “interpreted” into English.

Invariably, such interpretation begins with “Thus sayeth the Lord unto you” and continues using Biblical imagery, King James phrasing, and is either 1) comforting and encouraging, 2) admonishing, or 3) predicting the future in some general, unspecified way.

As far as understanding the process, I’d compare it most closely to trance dancing where you are producing muscular contractions within a very broadly defined framework. Your mind may or may not be consciously guiding the actions. The “interpretation” step is simply a different person telling a story in a particular vocabulary (essentially at random) that has no connection to the initial speaking in tongues.

Regards,
Mark

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[quote]helga wrote:
Massif wrote:
This was a pretty interesting thread before Dragon went monkey shit with the fire and the brimestone and burning and the pain etc.

Agreed, I enjoyed the thread and hearing what Christians were saying about the topic but seriously Dragon, and with all respect, I dont think that you are doing yourself, or christians all over the world any justice with your attitude or responses.

If you are a seriuos commited christian I would have thought that threads like this were an opportunity to share the story of Gods love for everybody and not just jump into angry personal attacks.

Just my two cents.[/quote]

I think you said it correctly. Showing Gods love to people that dont know it. That’s the calling of all Christians yet at times be discipliners. I’m not joining any attack on Dragon but thought I would pipe in with a few thoughts.

Generally, you can say that God is all loving. In the same token though, He is a God of judgement. Often those two ideas don’t intertwine in people’s head. How can an all loving God, for example, send people to hell? Well I’m not here to answer that question specifically but to give you a small thought to think about.

Let’s say for example, you have a small daughter playing outside in the yard. A small stray nasty looking dog comes up the alley, baring its ugly teeth, to your back yard where she is playing. What would be your first reaction as a loving father or mother? Go pet the dog and say “nice doggie, go play with my daughter”? Of course not. You’d probably chase it away, or go and defend your daughter. What might seem like hatred for the dog is love and care for your daughter.

The reason i mention this is people ought to know for God to have absolute love for His children means He also must have a certain hatred for the things that harm them. I know its disillusions people to have a God who hates sin, for example, yet loves absolutely His children. How can it be? But both those attributes exist, one not excluding the other, to give the full character of God.

God in the same moment does bring absolute love but also absolute judgement, and those go hand and hand. God cannot exist as God without these two. We cannot focus solely on one or the other, my point. Each are wonderful