Spanish Nun es Loco

She would be a perfect fit here in the US shrug

Where exactly can we find these Blessed Mother ‘‘apparitions’’ predicted by Jesus in scripture?..I can’t find it,
where does he say he will send his Mother down on Earth to appear in various places?
Chapter and verse please.
Thank you.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
She would be a perfect fit here in the US shrug

I wish the church would fire these nuns. She took a vow of her own free will. If she doesn’t like it, she should get the fuck out. The church needs to fire these nuns immediately. Cut the cancer out. This ain’t a democracy.

I agree, yet would the whole situation be better if our Holy Father were to help them realize they are wrong?

By the way, America isn’t a democracy either. In fact there is zero examples of a democracy existing for a long time, ZERO ; ) jaa jaa jaa

That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?

If people did not question the teachings and policies of the Catholic Church then we would still be burning heretics at the stake. The Pope would be leading an army. Illiteracy would still be encouraged. Democracy would not exist. We would not know how the universe and solar system really works.

And the idea that a nun would be in favor of abolishing the military is really not shocking at all.

You expect a reply when you just rant? Please form an argument before you can expect a reply.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You expect a reply when you just rant? Please form an argument before you can expect a reply.

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I don’t expect any reply, let alone a coherent and logical one, from a troll who spams the forum. That doesn’t mean I won’t stop calling you a troll and a weirdo who is embarrassment to Christianity.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?

If people did not question the teachings and policies of the Catholic Church then we would still be burning heretics at the stake. The Pope would be leading an army. Illiteracy would still be encouraged. Democracy would not exist. We would not know how the universe and solar system really works.

And the idea that a nun would be in favor of abolishing the military is really not shocking at all. [/quote]

That’s fine for a lay person. This person of her own freewill took a vow to the church which includes obedience. If you take a vow then you either honor it, or leave.
Don’t take vows you aren’t willing to keep. Just like in marriage, you take a vow and honor them, or you don’t get married. You don’t take a vow only to turn around and piss on those vows.

And no Jesus did not question the his religion. He challenged people who were violating the religion’s tenets. He stated frankly, that not ‘one dot’ of the law will go away.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I agree, yet would the whole situation be better if our Holy Father were to help them realize they are wrong?

By the way, America isn’t a democracy either. In fact there is zero examples of a democracy existing for a long time, ZERO ; ) jaa jaa jaa

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They have already been given a chance, it’s time for them to go.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?

If people did not question the teachings and policies of the Catholic Church then we would still be burning heretics at the stake. The Pope would be leading an army. Illiteracy would still be encouraged. Democracy would not exist. We would not know how the universe and solar system really works.

And the idea that a nun would be in favor of abolishing the military is really not shocking at all. [/quote]

That’s fine for a lay person. This person of her own freewill took a vow to the church which includes obedience. If you take a vow then you either honor it, or leave.
Don’t take vows you aren’t willing to keep. Just like in marriage, you take a vow and honor them, or you don’t get married. You don’t take a vow only to turn around and piss on those vows.

And no Jesus did not question the his religion. He challenged people who were violating the religion’s tenets. He stated frankly, that not 'one dot’w of the law will go away.[/quote]
The vow of obedience is not exactly that simple. A Catholic should know that. Did I say Jesus questioned his religion or did I say he questioned its teachings?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?
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Nuns take a vow of obedience.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?

If people did not question the teachings and policies of the Catholic Church then we would still be burning heretics at the stake. The Pope would be leading an army. Illiteracy would still be encouraged. Democracy would not exist. We would not know how the universe and solar system really works.

And the idea that a nun would be in favor of abolishing the military is really not shocking at all. [/quote]

That’s fine for a lay person. This person of her own freewill took a vow to the church which includes obedience. If you take a vow then you either honor it, or leave.
Don’t take vows you aren’t willing to keep. Just like in marriage, you take a vow and honor them, or you don’t get married. You don’t take a vow only to turn around and piss on those vows.

And no Jesus did not question the his religion. He challenged people who were violating the religion’s tenets. He stated frankly, that not 'one dot’w of the law will go away.[/quote]
The vow of obedience is not exactly that simple. [/quote]

Yes it is.

It is exactly that simple.

My aunt may have her own thoughts but she obeys.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

jaa jaa jaa
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I never know whether I should read this in a Spanish accent, whereby you would sound like you were laughing in English (“ha ha ha”), in a German accent, whereby you would sound like you were saying “yes, yes, yes”, or a Jamaican accent, where you would sound like a Rasta invoking the name of his deity: “Jah, Jah, Jah”.

I’m gonna go with the third.

Because imagining you as a Rasta is jilarious as jell.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?
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Nuns take a vow of obedience.

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Obedience to whom? The Pope? Their order? Their immediate superiors? To God?

If the Pope told a nun to murder a child would she be compelled to obey even though she knows it would violate a Commandment? If he told her to have sex with him would she be compelled to obey even though it would violate her vow of chastity?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?
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Nuns take a vow of obedience.

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Obedience to whom? The Pope? Their order? Their immediate superiors? To God?

If the Pope told a nun to murder a child would she be compelled to obey even though she knows it would violate a Commandment? If he told her to have sex with him would she be compelled to obey even though it would violate her vow of chastity? [/quote]

Depends on the specific vow, there are guidelines, but mouthing of in public is by no stretch of the imagination a viable loophole.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?
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Nuns take a vow of obedience.

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Obedience to whom? The Pope? Their order? Their immediate superiors? To God?

If the Pope told a nun to murder a child would she be compelled to obey even though she knows it would violate a Commandment? If he told her to have sex with him would she be compelled to obey even though it would violate her vow of chastity? [/quote]

Depends on the specific vow, there are guidelines, but mouthing of in pubic is by no stretch of the imagination a viable loophole. [/quote]
Ahhhh, it depends. So it isn’t that simple after all. Mouthing off is OK as long as she didn’t take a vow of silence.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
That video is a load of crap. I couldn’t watch the whole thing because I even find the name “ChurchMilitant” offensive. First off it should be “loca” not “loco.” Second, why is it wrong for someone to question the teachings of their chosen religion? Is the religion’s hold on its followers so tenuous that it can’t deal with any dissent from within its ranks? Didn’t Jesus question the teachings and practices of his religion?
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Nuns take a vow of obedience.

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Obedience to whom? The Pope? Their order? Their immediate superiors? To God?

If the Pope told a nun to murder a child would she be compelled to obey even though she knows it would violate a Commandment? If he told her to have sex with him would she be compelled to obey even though it would violate her vow of chastity? [/quote]

Depends on the specific vow, there are guidelines, but mouthing of in pubic is by no stretch of the imagination a viable loophole. [/quote]
Ahhhh, it depends. So it isn’t that simple after all. Mouthing off is OK as long as she didn’t take a vow of silence. [/quote]

Not really, unless her abess agress to it or does not expressly forbid it at least, which she would.

If she would not, she would in turn get an order from still higher up, the chain of authority ending with the Pope.

There is no vow of silence involved, if you are a nun and your abess tells you to go to your room, shut up and stay there until further notice, that is what you do.

“The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God when they command according to the proper constitutions.”

Basically, this means do as the Church tells you to do.

If what she is saying is contrary to Church doctrine, then she would be in violation of that vow, as she would be if she is saying something that one of her superiors told her not to say. The Catholic Church believes in freedom of conscience, as long as your conscience doesn’t lead you to publicly question what the Church is teaching.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
“The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God when they command according to the proper constitutions.”

Basically, this means do as the Church tells you to do.

If what she is saying is contrary to Church doctrine, then she would be in violation of that vow, as she would be if she is saying something that one of her superiors told her not to say. The Catholic Church believes in freedom of conscience, as long as your conscience doesn’t lead you to publicly question what the Church is teaching. [/quote]
Legitimate superiors…when they command according to the proper constitutions. With the Catholic Church that is not always black and white. Remember, there have even been two popes simultaneously before. And disagreeing does not equal disobedience. All changes within the church began with a disagreement.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
“The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God when they command according to the proper constitutions.”

Basically, this means do as the Church tells you to do.

If what she is saying is contrary to Church doctrine, then she would be in violation of that vow, as she would be if she is saying something that one of her superiors told her not to say. The Catholic Church believes in freedom of conscience, as long as your conscience doesn’t lead you to publicly question what the Church is teaching. [/quote]
Legitimate superiors…when they command according to the proper constitutions. With the Catholic Church that is not always black and white. Remember, there have even been two popes simultaneously before. And disagreeing does not equal disobedience. All changes within the church began with a disagreement.
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Joining a religious order (as consecrated clergy) is no different from joining a military organization in many respects. In the military, you take a vow (called an oath) to uphold national doctrine (the constitution) and obey your legitimate superiors (the chain of command, from your sergeant on up to the Commander-in-Chief. If you have a disagreement, you can lodge a formal complaint, within the chain of command, but disobeying a lawful order is at least insubordination, and at most mutiny, and is summarily punished in both institutions.