It’s all white America’s fault. #trollpost
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
For what it’s worth, I think that two of the officers were eventually charged for that one, too. [/quote]
True, but you do not hear any mention of this incident like you do or even in conjunction with Michael Brown, Eric Garner, or Tamir Rice.
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Certainly not. You also don’t hear anything when black officers kill white kids, or when black officers kill other black folks. Those stories don’t sell. The United States of America of 2015 falls well short of MLK’s dream, and the dream is really no closer to being reality today than it was then.
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It’s a lot further away than it was in the 50’s. Black families are doing far worse than they were in the 50’s because of the welfare state, affirmative action, and the civil rights act of 1964.
In fact, MLK is partially responsible for this because his platform was coopted by communists with exactly this agenda.
It’s actually the racism of low expectations for the black community that has perpetuated this myth that somehow centuries after the end of slavery and decades after the end of Jim Crow, Black people are incapable of achieving economic and social parity with the population as a whole.
Countless immigrant populations including Jews, Irish, and Asians achieved parity in less than 2 generations after the waves of immigration. Even Native African Black immigrants achieve parity within 1 generation.
In fact, American Black families were well on their way to parity in the 50’s with overall violent crime rates LOWER than whites before the so called “civil rights” movement.
It was really just a communist movement for class warfare that has completely disintegrated the black family since then.
[quote]TooHuman:
It’s a lot further away than it was in the 50’s. Black families are doing far worse than they were in the 50’s because of the welfare state, affirmative action, and the civil rights act of 1964.
In fact, MLK is partially responsible for this because his platform was coopted by communists with exactly this agenda.
It’s actually the racism of low expectations for the black community that has perpetuated this myth that somehow centuries after the end of slavery and decades after the end of Jim Crow, Black people are incapable of achieving economic and social parity with the population as a whole.
Countless immigrant populations including Jews, Irish, and Asians achieved parity in less than 2 generations after the waves of immigration. Even Native African Black immigrants achieve parity within 1 generation.
In fact, American Black families were well on their way to parity in the 50’s with overall violent crime rates LOWER than whites before the so called “civil rights” movement.
It was really just a communist movement for class warfare that has completely disintegrated the black family since then.[/quote]
Gee-whiz, guy! If I were to agree with you, we’d both be racists!
(FWIW, your point on African immigrants is dead on. I played football with a first-generation American, whose parents were actually from Africa, in college, and he thought less of American blacks than just about any white American I have met.)
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Countless immigrant populations including Jews, Irish, and Asians achieved parity in less than 2 generations after the waves of immigration. Even Native African Black immigrants achieve parity within 1 generation.
In fact, American Black families were well on their way to parity in the 50’s with overall violent crime rates LOWER than whites before the so called “civil rights” movement.
It was really just a communist movement for class warfare that has completely disintegrated the black family since then.[/quote]
way too logical to be addressed properly and anyways i thought the god king barry was going to “change” all that? (positively, race relations have certainly changed since that pothead took office)
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Come on, how is the guy running away an ongoing and immediate threat to the officer or the public?
Let’s say he did go for the taser prior to where the video picks up. Why would he go for a cop’s taser if he’s armed himself? Because he wasn’t. So he’s evading (running away) unarmed…
You don’t take a life over that. That officer is a murderer, barring some new information that I can’t even imagine.[/quote]
This.
If the cop ran up to him and blasted him a couple times with a night stick… I’d say “well that is what happens when you run from cops”.
If he beat him bloody with a night stick? Eh, I’d say the cop went overboard and is kinda a dick.
Shoot the guy? No. It isn’t like he was Usan Bolt out there, my 3 year old could have caught that dude.
Maybe there is some evidence out there that says I’m wrong, but I just don’t think this is going to come back a clean shoot, and this cop is going to have a real rough time in prison. [/quote]
I gotta tell you, the way that officer drew down on that guy, nice and calm like, makes me think the guy might have done it before, or at least envisioned it so many times in his head that when the moment for action actually arrived, he was more than ready to act.
I thought the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown shootings were legitimate. Zimmerman wasn’t a cop, so I suppose he’s a little irrelevant to this topic, but Officer Wilson obviously was. Aside from that, though, after seeing this video there is simply no way I am going to give a police officer the benefit of the doubt until more information becomes available.
I mean, the fucking guy drew down on a person running away, who presented absolutely zero threat to the officer, and then he even makes an attempt to alter the crime scene and compromise evidence.
Like I said in my first post in this thread, this doesn’t mean that every cop who kills a black guy is another version of this fucking murderer, but it undeniably does lend a little bit of credence to that argument. Naturally, people will take this example and run with it far more than is appropriate.
It’s like stereotypes. They are applied way too liberally, but they’re typically rooted in truth.[/quote]
Yes, yes, yes and yes. Nail on the head with all your posts in this and the last few threads.
Anyone see the slow motion video which shows the cop walk up to the body and discreetly throw his stun gun next to the body. He claimed the kid stole it at the beginning of the chase.
Really awful video and something poor people in general but especially poor black folk claim happens regularly but never have any evidence. Hopefully this time having footage of criminal actions by cops actually leads to a conviction.
Sometimes I feel really sorry for the good honest and professional cops who bust their ass day in day out and have their public image destroyed by a handful of trigger happy racist thugs with badges. The police union have washed their hands of him which is a good sign.
Happened just a few days ago, a man who stole a horse gets the ever-livin’ shit beat out of him. Either 10 or 15 deputies are on leave pending investigation.
I should warn you all, this is really bad. But this is PWI which means it’s just right.
Check out the horse’s reaction, rather fitting.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Happened just a few days ago, a man who stole a horse gets the ever-livin’ shit beat out of him. Either 10 or 15 deputies are on leave pending investigation.
I should warn you all, this is really bad. But this is PWI which means it’s just right.
Check out the horse’s reaction, rather fitting. [/quote]
Absolutely disgusting.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
…He claimed the kid stole it at the beginning of the chase…
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Not sure that “kid” is the proper label for a 50 year old.[/quote]
Yeah that was my bad.
They tried to say the elderly gentleman had taken it pre-chase. Looked pretty good for 50.
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
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I would imagine dropping the Para-military style training the police go through would be helpful. Having recruits go through the academy with screaming instructors, military aggressive style training and mentality probably does not bode well. Especially a bunch of young white male recruits who may be patrolling poor black areas.
Having all cops wear cameras that upload to something so no tampering can be done would be a huge one too. I would also guess actually treating cops who murder and commit crimes as harshly as the rest of the population are treated would help.
If they put this latest killer cop in the electric chair and show abuse of power and murder by officers won’t be tolerated I think police will be more worried about abusing power and the public will feel less animosity towards them. Also obviously getting the real good cops in high positions and offering safe and anonymous ways for the police to report/deal with bad cops.
Last suggestion I could think of but going back to having local officers who patrol their own community and feel real accountability from their community would be great.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Not looking to start a race thread by any means, but what the fuck is wrong with cops? How unlikely is it ANYTHING would have happened without this video?
Doesn’t even attempt to chase him down just stands still and commits murder.
Unreal. He even attempts to deliberately alter the scene like he knows he fucked up but can make it look like he didn’t. After all who can take the word of a dead guy? [/quote]
Oh what a bullshit title… The guy he shot in the video clearly has 2 arms. I wanted to see what an unarmed man running looked like.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
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I would imagine dropping the Para-military style training the police go through would be helpful. Having recruits go through the academy with screaming instructors, military aggressive style training and mentality probably does not bode well. Especially a bunch of young white male recruits who may be patrolling poor black areas.
Having all cops wear cameras that upload to something so no tampering can be done would be a huge one too. I would also guess actually treating cops who murder and commit crimes as harshly as the rest of the population are treated would help.
If they put this latest killer cop in the electric chair and show abuse of power and murder by officers won’t be tolerated I think police will be more worried about abusing power and the public will feel less animosity towards them. Also obviously getting the real good cops in high positions and offering safe and anonymous ways for the police to report/deal with bad cops.
Last suggestion I could think of but going back to having local officers who patrol their own community and feel real accountability from their community would be great.[/quote]
All that doesn’t matter. Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you.
Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. By supporting all of those laws you are putting people in a position that enforcing them means acting immorally and escalating violence.
The reality is that police come into contact with violent people because the laws you and most people support create a black market on the banned activities that is run by people willing to risk violence and be violent.
The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops.
You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. [/quote]
Sure it is.
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You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you. [/quote]
Hyperbole aside, we give the police the authority to enforce the law. That’s kinda the point.
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Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. [/quote]
Well ya, they kind are…
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The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops. [/quote]
Lol, whut? It’s an officers job to enforce The Law, not some of the laws they think are good to go. Blame your state government and/or Congress. They’re the ones that pass the laws, even the dumb ones.
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You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.[/quote]
You’ve got an interesting outlook on life…
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
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I would imagine dropping the Para-military style training the police go through would be helpful. Having recruits go through the academy with screaming instructors, military aggressive style training and mentality probably does not bode well. Especially a bunch of young white male recruits who may be patrolling poor black areas.
Having all cops wear cameras that upload to something so no tampering can be done would be a huge one too. I would also guess actually treating cops who murder and commit crimes as harshly as the rest of the population are treated would help.
If they put this latest killer cop in the electric chair and show abuse of power and murder by officers won’t be tolerated I think police will be more worried about abusing power and the public will feel less animosity towards them. Also obviously getting the real good cops in high positions and offering safe and anonymous ways for the police to report/deal with bad cops.
Last suggestion I could think of but going back to having local officers who patrol their own community and feel real accountability from their community would be great.[/quote]
All that doesn’t matter. Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you.
Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. By supporting all of those laws you are putting people in a position that enforcing them means acting immorally and escalating violence.
The reality is that police come into contact with violent people because the laws you and most people support create a black market on the banned activities that is run by people willing to risk violence and be violent.
The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops.
You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.[/quote]
I thought the law only allowed police to shoot unarmed people fleeing from certain felony crimes. It is absolutely not written into law that cops are supposed to ramp up their actions leading up to and including shooting an unarmed man stopped for a broken light.
A good cop is someone who follows the law and does not shoot unarmed people for crimes the law does not allow the shooting of. I do get where you are coming from though.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. [/quote]
Sure it is.
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You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you. [/quote]
Hyperbole aside, we give the police the authority to enforce the law. That’s kinda the point.
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Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. [/quote]
Well ya, they kind are…
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The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops. [/quote]
Lol, whut? It’s an officers job to enforce The Law, not some of the laws they think are good to go. Blame your state government and/or Congress. They’re the ones that pass the laws, even the dumb ones.
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You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.[/quote]
You’ve got an interesting outlook on life… [/quote]
You cannot commit homicide other than in certain instances of self defense without it being criminal. A police officer can detain/assault a person for selling raw milk(or any other voluntary non-violent transaction/activity that is banned) and then kill them for acting in self defense.
If you believe someone is wrong for selling raw milk and you did the same, you would be tried for murder. The police officer will not.
It’s not Hyperbole, police can and HAVE in fact arrested/fined people for selling raw milk and threatened arrest/fines for little girls in several cases selling lemonade without a license.
WE don’t GIVE the police ANYTHING. How can you possibly GIVE the police the authority to do something you as an individual cannot do? And don’t give me the democracy bullshit. A collective doesn’t magically gain the rights an individual doesn’t have. that argument defeats all individual right for the rights of the majority.
And NO…limits through checks and balances don’t make any difference because once certain people have a monopoly on the initiation of force they have always and will always used it to manipulate the language to circumvent those checks.
You don’t seriously believe police officers are magical do you?
NO I’m going to blame you and others who support those laws by participating(legitimizing) the voting process and further speaking out in the support of ANY initiation of force which makes it possible for politicians to do what they do instead of being ostracized like the sociopaths they are.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
[/quote]
I would imagine dropping the Para-military style training the police go through would be helpful. Having recruits go through the academy with screaming instructors, military aggressive style training and mentality probably does not bode well. Especially a bunch of young white male recruits who may be patrolling poor black areas.
Having all cops wear cameras that upload to something so no tampering can be done would be a huge one too. I would also guess actually treating cops who murder and commit crimes as harshly as the rest of the population are treated would help.
If they put this latest killer cop in the electric chair and show abuse of power and murder by officers won’t be tolerated I think police will be more worried about abusing power and the public will feel less animosity towards them. Also obviously getting the real good cops in high positions and offering safe and anonymous ways for the police to report/deal with bad cops.
Last suggestion I could think of but going back to having local officers who patrol their own community and feel real accountability from their community would be great.[/quote]
All that doesn’t matter. Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you.
Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. By supporting all of those laws you are putting people in a position that enforcing them means acting immorally and escalating violence.
The reality is that police come into contact with violent people because the laws you and most people support create a black market on the banned activities that is run by people willing to risk violence and be violent.
The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops.
You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.[/quote]
I thought the law only allowed police to shoot unarmed people fleeing from certain felony crimes. It is absolutely not written into law that cops are supposed to ramp up their actions leading up to and including shooting an unarmed man stopped for a broken light.
A good cop is someone who follows the law and does not shoot unarmed people for crimes the law does not allow the shooting of. I do get where you are coming from though.[/quote]
Assaulting a person with a weapon is considered a felony crime unless it’s done in self defense…unless the person is a police officer detaining you for selling raw milk or not paying your taxes.
A person attacking a police officer trying to detain them for any voluntary non-violent behavior is acting morally but illegally. A police officer killing them for defending themselves with a weapon is acting immorally but legally.
Those are completely opposite legal standards.
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
With all the recent police misconduct & dead unarmed black folks. Police reform could be a winner for a politician thats not a total pussy. I think we are all fed up with this shit. Time to police the police bros shits gone 2 far 2 long[/quote]
Well anytime you’re in support of any law that involves initiating force against non-violent behavior like drug laws, taxes, any “regulation” based on the interstate commerce clause, etc.,etc… you’re in support of police misconduct because all these laws require police to have moral standards different from all other citizens, which puts both police and all citizens they interact with enforcing these laws in a heightened level of danger.
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I would imagine dropping the Para-military style training the police go through would be helpful. Having recruits go through the academy with screaming instructors, military aggressive style training and mentality probably does not bode well. Especially a bunch of young white male recruits who may be patrolling poor black areas.
Having all cops wear cameras that upload to something so no tampering can be done would be a huge one too. I would also guess actually treating cops who murder and commit crimes as harshly as the rest of the population are treated would help.
If they put this latest killer cop in the electric chair and show abuse of power and murder by officers won’t be tolerated I think police will be more worried about abusing power and the public will feel less animosity towards them. Also obviously getting the real good cops in high positions and offering safe and anonymous ways for the police to report/deal with bad cops.
Last suggestion I could think of but going back to having local officers who patrol their own community and feel real accountability from their community would be great.[/quote]
All that doesn’t matter. Murder for a police officer is legally not the same as murder for everyone else. You could be detained for selling raw milk or for running a lemonade stand without a license and if you resist enough(which is completely moral to do with anyone else trying to detain you) and they will escalate until they kill you.
Police officers aren’t some kind of magical people that somehow can initiate force without expecting an escalation of violence. By supporting all of those laws you are putting people in a position that enforcing them means acting immorally and escalating violence.
The reality is that police come into contact with violent people because the laws you and most people support create a black market on the banned activities that is run by people willing to risk violence and be violent.
The only “good” cop is one that doesn’t ever enforce non-violent “crimes”, which is exactly ZERO cops.
You cannot be a cop without being EXPECTED to commit assault and murder eventually, because enforcing most laws will eventually lead to someone escalating to that point in self-defense.[/quote]
I thought the law only allowed police to shoot unarmed people fleeing from certain felony crimes. It is absolutely not written into law that cops are supposed to ramp up their actions leading up to and including shooting an unarmed man stopped for a broken light.
A good cop is someone who follows the law and does not shoot unarmed people for crimes the law does not allow the shooting of. I do get where you are coming from though.[/quote]
Assaulting a person with a weapon is considered a felony crime unless it’s done in self defense…unless the person is a police officer detaining you for selling raw milk or not paying your taxes.
A person attacking a police officer trying to detain them for any voluntary non-violent behavior is acting morally but illegally. A police officer killing them for defending themselves with a weapon is acting immorally but legally.
Those are completely opposite legal standards. [/quote]
Sure but that wasn’t the topic. We were discussing specific cases of murder by police, not whether cops legally can use force which of course they can.