[quote]countingbeans wrote:
HAs there been any evidence come out making this seem like it might possibly be a clean shoot?
This thread seems heated and today of all days I’m trying to avoid negativity. [/quote]
Some people are claiming so based on freezed moments of the video but many including cops are claiming the claims are bogus. Some are saying Scott shot the officer with the taser. However if he then dropped it and ran away and was unarmed I don’t see how that would change anything.
You can see the taser cable over his arm but you don’t see anyone firing it or see if it is attached to anyone or who fired it.
Ok, I got a question: As far as altering the scene goes. I agreed with this at first. Yes, he picks up the cartridge, carries it over and drops it by Scott’s body. But if he had actually been tased by Scott, and had the darts in his body, wouldn’t the cartridge be attached to the darts by wires, so if he walked to where Scott was laying, could he have possibly picked up the cartridge because he was attached to it? Does that sound reasonable or credible to anyone?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Ok, I got a question: As far as altering the scene goes. I agreed with this at first. Yes, he picks up the cartridge, carries it over and drops it by Scott’s body. But if he had actually been tased by Scott, and had the darts in his body, wouldn’t the cartridge be attached to the darts by wires, so if he walked to where Scott was laying, could he have possibly picked up the cartridge because he was attached to it? Does that sound reasonable or credible to anyone?[/quote]
No because you see the taser drop and you then see the Officer go and pick it up and clearly drop it next to him.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would of put the whole clip in this guy…
Wow, that was appalling. So this is what it’s actually come down to. Was the cop afraid to shoot him because of the backlash even if he had every right to…which he clearly did?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would of put the whole clip in this guy…
That cop was clearly an awesome person who joined for the right reasons. He was well within his rights to shoot but didn’t and the situation ended with no loss of life.
If all cops were like that Officer then I doubt anyone would have issues with the police force. Massive respect to him.
I think the more police like him we have who don’t shoot unless they feel compelled to, to immediately save their lives from imminent danger, the more the police will be seen as a force for good and as heroes, rather than as their current public perception which ranges from occupational force, state thugs, unaccountable criminals to people just doing a difficult job.
The problem is though for every cop you encounter like this awesome guy you encounter someone who will try and intimidate you, someone who takes liberties with people, abuses his power. Guys like this not emptying his clip are what changes perceptions and rebuilds trust with the community.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would of put the whole clip in this guy…
Wow, that was appalling. So this is what it’s actually come down to. Was the cop afraid to shoot him because of the backlash even if he had every right to…which he clearly did?[/quote]
I think he didn’t want to shoot him because he was a nice guy who didn’t want to kill someone. Not because of backlash. Obviously I don’t know for sure though.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would of put the whole clip in this guy…
That cop was clearly an awesome person who joined for the right reasons. He was well within his rights to shoot but didn’t and the situation ended with no loss of life.
If all cops were like that Officer then I doubt anyone would have issues with the police force. Massive respect to him.
I think the more police like him we have who don’t shoot unless they feel compelled to, to immediately save their lives from imminent danger, the more the police will be seen as a force for good and as heroes, rather than as their current public perception which ranges from occupational force, state thugs, unaccountable criminals to people just doing a difficult job.
The problem is though for every cop you encounter like this awesome guy you encounter someone who will try and intimidate you, someone who takes liberties with people, abuses his power. Guys like this not emptying his clip are what changes perceptions and rebuilds trust with the community.
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The cop ended up on his back mere feet away from a charging suspect who was believed to be armed and just murdered two people.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would of put the whole clip in this guy…
That cop was clearly an awesome person who joined for the right reasons. He was well within his rights to shoot but didn’t and the situation ended with no loss of life.
If all cops were like that Officer then I doubt anyone would have issues with the police force. Massive respect to him.
I think the more police like him we have who don’t shoot unless they feel compelled to, to immediately save their lives from imminent danger, the more the police will be seen as a force for good and as heroes, rather than as their current public perception which ranges from occupational force, state thugs, unaccountable criminals to people just doing a difficult job.
The problem is though for every cop you encounter like this awesome guy you encounter someone who will try and intimidate you, someone who takes liberties with people, abuses his power. Guys like this not emptying his clip are what changes perceptions and rebuilds trust with the community.
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The cop ended up on his back mere feet away from a charging suspect who was believed to be armed and just murdered two people.
You think this should be the norm?
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I think the more honest, moral and level headed police officers we have is a great thing. This cop was ready to blast this guy into oblivion had he pulled a gun from that pocket. As it turns out the guy did not and the cops brave personal choice to hold off using lethal force saved a life and saved him from the trauma of having to kill someone.
Anyone who has a problem with cops using a level of restraint does not make sense to me. I would not think he did anything wrong if he had shot the guy, but I think he did the best thing possible and as a result reflected honour and respect on himself and his profession in general.
This video shows a police officer waiting to shoot until he sees a weapon. Notice that it is too late. He ends up mortally wounding the suspect, but not before he is shot himself and the suspect flees down the highway, endangering the lives of other motorists and the children in his car.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
This video shows a police officer waiting to shoot until he sees a weapon. Notice that it is too late. He ends up mortally wounding the suspect, but not before he is shot himself and the suspect flees down the highway, endangering the lives of other motorists and the children in his car.
Yeah being a police officer is dangerous. That does not mean we should encourage police to shoot people on the spot without any hesitation. The intrinsic danger of being a good honest cop is why we respect and honour them so much.
Can you imagine what kind of hell hole the U.S would be if all cops used lethal force as readily as the Officer in the Walter Scott shooting did?
Also I see no evidence the cop didn’t fire because he was scared of backlash, I see a brave cop who has a righteous value for human life and uses exceptional control over his right to dispense lethal force. That is not a bad thing. That is something we should be thankful for. Not complaining about it.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
This video shows a police officer waiting to shoot until he sees a weapon. Notice that it is too late. He ends up mortally wounding the suspect, but not before he is shot himself and the suspect flees down the highway, endangering the lives of other motorists and the children in his car.
You can’t see when the officer decided to draw.
This is really a perfect example of why if you shoot you start shooting and you don’t stop until there is no more threat. The outcry after shootings of “why did those mean cops shoot him 5 times?!!” are BS. this guy was shot fatally, at close range, in the chest, and was perfectly functional for several more minutes.
[quote]Will207 wrote:
This video shows a police officer waiting to shoot until he sees a weapon. Notice that it is too late. He ends up mortally wounding the suspect, but not before he is shot himself and the suspect flees down the highway, endangering the lives of other motorists and the children in his car.
You can’t see when the officer decided to draw.
This is really a perfect example of why if you shoot you start shooting and you don’t stop until there is no more threat. The outcry after shootings of “why did those mean cops shoot him 5 times?!!” are BS. this guy was shot fatally, at close range, in the chest, and was perfectly functional for several more minutes.[/quote]
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Will207 wrote:
This video shows a police officer waiting to shoot until he sees a weapon. Notice that it is too late. He ends up mortally wounding the suspect, but not before he is shot himself and the suspect flees down the highway, endangering the lives of other motorists and the children in his car.
You can’t see when the officer decided to draw.
This is really a perfect example of why if you shoot you start shooting and you don’t stop until there is no more threat. The outcry after shootings of “why did those mean cops shoot him 5 times?!!” are BS. this guy was shot fatally, at close range, in the chest, and was perfectly functional for several more minutes.[/quote]
Yep. Handguns aren’t the death rays people think they are.
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
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I’ve seen it with both armed and unarmed and black and white. But it still holds true with an unarmed person. An unarmed person can still kill a cop and can still deserve to be shot. A couple of minutes is still plenty of time for an unarmed man to kill someone. Shooting an unarmed man 8 times can still be perfectly reasonable and justifiable.
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
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I’ve seen it with both armed and unarmed and black and white. But it still holds true with an unarmed person. An unarmed person can still kill a cop and can still deserve to be shot. A couple of minutes is still plenty of time for an unarmed man to kill someone. Shooting an unarmed man 8 times can still be perfectly reasonable and justifiable.[/quote]
Truth. An unarmed person can suddenly become an armed person if they are able to wrestle a gun away from a cop. The suspect in the recently posted video could have fought for the unholstered gun when the cop fell on his back.
Here’s a video showing a police officer on his back getting shot in the leg with his own weapon after fighting with a group of unarmed people.
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
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I’ve seen it with both armed and unarmed and black and white. But it still holds true with an unarmed person. An unarmed person can still kill a cop and can still deserve to be shot. A couple of minutes is still plenty of time for an unarmed man to kill someone. Shooting an unarmed man 8 times can still be perfectly reasonable and justifiable.[/quote]
No arguments here, I am just saying that that was the outrage, put into context. It wasn’t just the amount of shots, it was the shooting of an unarmed black man some people felt was not justified.
I was not holding that position I just wanted to make clear what the other sides outrage was about.
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
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I’ve seen it with both armed and unarmed and black and white. But it still holds true with an unarmed person. An unarmed person can still kill a cop and can still deserve to be shot. A couple of minutes is still plenty of time for an unarmed man to kill someone. Shooting an unarmed man 8 times can still be perfectly reasonable and justifiable.[/quote]
No arguments here, I am just saying that that was the outrage, put into context. It wasn’t just the amount of shots, it was the shooting of an unarmed black man some people felt was not justified.
I was not holding that position I just wanted to make clear what the other sides outrage was about.
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About which case? I was making a general statement about pistols. But Brown being unarmed doesn’t make it wrong for him to have been shot 6 times. He may very well have still been charging the police officer after the 5th time he was hit.
The only reason the perp stopped in the video that usmc posted was because more officers were behind the cop that fell down. Take them out of the equation and that officer is shooting from his back.
To be fair I think the outcry is that unarmed black men are shot eight times, shooting an armed criminal multiple times is different than shooting an unarmed man who you know is unarmed like Michael Brown who was shot twice in the head and four times in the arms. Not saying I think it was an unlawful shooting but lets not confuse what the outrage was actually about.
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I’ve seen it with both armed and unarmed and black and white. But it still holds true with an unarmed person. An unarmed person can still kill a cop and can still deserve to be shot. A couple of minutes is still plenty of time for an unarmed man to kill someone. Shooting an unarmed man 8 times can still be perfectly reasonable and justifiable.[/quote]
No arguments here, I am just saying that that was the outrage, put into context. It wasn’t just the amount of shots, it was the shooting of an unarmed black man some people felt was not justified.
I was not holding that position I just wanted to make clear what the other sides outrage was about.
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About which case? I was making a general statement about pistols. But Brown being unarmed doesn’t make it wrong for him to have been shot 6 times. He may very well have still been charging the police officer after the 5th time he was hit.[/quote]
I don’t think you understand me. I am not saying I agree with their outrage. I am simply pointing out the outrage wasn’t simply over the number of shots, it was the number of shots within the context of that incident, that they felt was wrong and racially driven.
I don’t necessarily agree but I am just stating the outrage was not about the number of shots fired in and of itself.