First you need training. Go to the local ghetto and cause some trouble. If you can handle them he should be nothing. Give him a bat wing while your at it.
What? What? WHAT??? I don’t even know where to fuckin begin I’m so disgusted.
Is this seriously being posted here?
What the fuck, are we in fucking high school? Do you motherfuckers think this is Karate kid?
OP- grow the fuck up. You’re an adult. Do you have the money for a lawyer? Are you ready to be arrested for simple assault, aggravated assault, or attempted murder depending on how your little “fight” goes?
And for you horse’s asses telling this guy to go to a dojo and “learn some skills”, don’t ever fucking give life advice again.
Keep your kid away from this guy. If he’s threatening women and children, there’s something wrong with him, and his blackbelt in crapfuckdo isn’t going to matter. There’s something wrong with him. Don’t let your child, or your wife, around him at any time.
If you want to get serious, file a complaint that he was making terroristic threats. Get a restraining order. Pursue this like a big boy, not some cunt out of some goddamn movie.
If this guy comes after you, and you can truly claim self-defense (check with a lawyer for what that means in your area) or defense of your family, then you’re in a combat situation where you go for his eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and, if it’s a life or death situation, his throat.
But somehow, you don’t sound anyhere near prepared for that in any way. I’m assuming (although I can’t tell from this bullshit) that you’re an adult. You need to work to support your family- that doesn’t involve getting stomped or possibly killed.
There are laws in this society, and if you bang with this guy the courts, cops, and lawyers will get involved. Especially if you go looking for trouble.
Go talk to a fucking lawyer, not a some fucking dojo (that isn’t going to want to be responsible for whatever you’re thinking of doing if you tell them this shit).
Christ. It’s like being surrounded by freshman in high school sometimes in this forum
[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Who me? Nah haven’t fought in like 7 years, college.
I can hold my own in a street fight, just don’t want to if he can kick the snot out of me with little effort. If he isn’t trained, I’ll take my chances.
Plus I fight dirty as hell
Please tell me you don’t bite or anything like that. The last fight I got into, I got the guy to the ground and was about to lay on a rear naked choke when he grabbed hold of my left arm and sank his teeth into the inside of my elbow. He was trying to twist and everything and wouldn’t let go.
It didn’t hurt as much as it just pissed me off even more…I suppose due to all the adrenaline flowing. So I grabbed one of his ears with my other hand and yanked until he let go. Then I gave him a couple of good thumps and a knee before I caught him with a guillotine until he passed out. I was livid. Saw him in a neck brace a week later.
Anyway, found out that he had been given some specific training in Kino Mutai - the Filipino art of controlled biting and eye gouging. Looking into it further, turns out he was specifically targeting my brachial artery. Fortunately, he didn’t do much more than surface damage which left a good bit of scarring.
I guess my point is, there’s dirty fighting…and then there’s just downright dishonorable fighting. Maybe it’s just me, but unless it’s a life or death situation, I DO NOT see a place for any of that sort of stuff in a fight.[/quote]
There is no such thing as “dirty fighting”. If you make a habit of getting into fights, then you’d better make a habit of fighting “dirty”.
There’s winning and losing. There’s fighting, and then there’s combat. You’re lucky. There’s guys I know that would stab you for that shit.
Again. All like freshman in high school.
What I should make clear- the reason I get so fucking infuriated when stuff like this comes up is because this forum is called “Combat sports”. Within the range, inevitably, “self-defense” is going to be rolled in somewhere. Which is fine.
But the two are seperate entities. A combat sport, even the most brutal MMA match you think you’ve seen, is absolute baby shit compared to the stuff that happens in the streets after a few drinks.
They should not be handled the same way, with the same thought process, or with the same overall strategy and techniques.
The funny part is, before a sparring session or a real fight, all you do is think about it. It’ll be on your mind for days on end, thinking, worrying, wondering, prepping.
But in a real fight, at the time when you should be thinking the most, you end up thinking the least. And that’s why guys land in jail, regretting one minute for the rest of their life. Or, they end up dead.
So again, I implore the OP- act like a big boy. Go through the system first. Why? Because in the eyes of that system, you have no right to “fight”, only to defend yourself and your family- and even that is shaky. Your best chance is going to be getting the cops involved, and violence by your own hand should be your absolute last option.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
What? What? WHAT??? I don’t even know where to fuckin begin I’m so disgusted.
Is this seriously being posted here?
What the fuck, are we in fucking high school? Do you motherfuckers think this is Karate kid?
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Whoa, while everything you said was correct, relax.
The ‘you can’t go over to little Billie’s house’ conversation has already been had, and was had with my son well before I asked my question here. My wife and I have discussed the situation multiple times, and my in-laws (he lives on their street) are also abreast of the situation.
I’m not at all interested in learning some skills, I had assumed all those posts were just people fucking around. Outside of the poor bastard that was bitten, I figured it was all fucking around really. It really was a conversation about a situation that wasn’t honestly going to happen.
Second, I’m not going after him by filing a complaint, nor am I going to approach him for any reason. Like I said in my first post, which had some Tom-Foolery in it as well, I’m not a tough guy, nor do I want to get into a fight. Nor am I foolish enough to jeopardize my future for this ignorant douche.
Third, the fourth person I talked to about this was my lawyer, the first my wife, the second my son, and third was my mother-in-law. And then I called another friend of mine, who is also a lawyer.
Fourth, I was fucking around a little in both my first post, and plenty in my subsequent posts.
And finally, like the title of the thread, my original question was an abstract. I had the situation pretty much buttoned up before I posted anything here.
There won’t be a fight, I’m not going to get arrested, nor am I ignorant enough to be completely unaware of the ramifications of street fighting.
I was honestly just thinking out loud from the get go, mainly about discipline and respect that I had always assumed were taught in MA.
(The Karate Kid comment was funny by the way.)
With some of the questions that get thrown around here, and some of the terrible advice that gets doled out by the dipshits, don’t be surprised by my reaction to this.
And I’m betting that most the people who responded to you weren’t kidding.
Either way, glad you’ve got a brain.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Please tell me you don’t bite or anything like that. The last fight I got into, I got the guy to the ground and was about to lay on a rear naked choke when he grabbed hold of my left arm and sank his teeth into the inside of my elbow. He was trying to twist and everything and wouldn’t let go.
It didn’t hurt as much as it just pissed me off even more…I suppose due to all the adrenaline flowing. So I grabbed one of his ears with my other hand and yanked until he let go. Then I gave him a couple of good thumps and a knee before I caught him with a guillotine until he passed out. I was livid. Saw him in a neck brace a week later.
Anyway, found out that he had been given some specific training in Kino Mutai - the Filipino art of controlled biting and eye gouging. Looking into it further, turns out he was specifically targeting my brachial artery. Fortunately, he didn’t do much more than surface damage which left a good bit of scarring.
I guess my point is, there’s dirty fighting…and then there’s just downright dishonorable fighting. Maybe it’s just me, but unless it’s a life or death situation, I DO NOT see a place for any of that sort of stuff in a fight.
There is no such thing as “dirty fighting”. If you make a habit of getting into fights, then you’d better make a habit of fighting “dirty”.
There’s winning and losing. There’s fighting, and then there’s combat. You’re lucky. There’s guys I know that would stab you for that shit.
Again. All like freshman in high school.[/quote]
What? Did you misread what I wrote? Please reread my posts and you’ll see that the fight started because some jackass attacked my wife. I DON’T go around making it a habit of getting into fights. In fact, it had been several years up to that point since I had gotten into an actual fight. And the incident happened 5 years ago.
And what do you mean there are guys you know “that would stab you for that shit.” What shit? There’s nothing I did wrong…it was the other jackass who did the biting.
I still stand by my belief that there are some “techniques” that have no place in an honorable fight. In combat, yes, “dirty” fighting is at times necessary. Afterall, your life is on the line. However, in a normal bar or street fight…you just don’t do it. Take an ass whooping like a man and don’t resort to stupid shit like that.
[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Please tell me you don’t bite or anything like that. The last fight I got into, I got the guy to the ground and was about to lay on a rear naked choke when he grabbed hold of my left arm and sank his teeth into the inside of my elbow. He was trying to twist and everything and wouldn’t let go.
It didn’t hurt as much as it just pissed me off even more…I suppose due to all the adrenaline flowing. So I grabbed one of his ears with my other hand and yanked until he let go. Then I gave him a couple of good thumps and a knee before I caught him with a guillotine until he passed out. I was livid. Saw him in a neck brace a week later.
Anyway, found out that he had been given some specific training in Kino Mutai - the Filipino art of controlled biting and eye gouging. Looking into it further, turns out he was specifically targeting my brachial artery. Fortunately, he didn’t do much more than surface damage which left a good bit of scarring.
I guess my point is, there’s dirty fighting…and then there’s just downright dishonorable fighting. Maybe it’s just me, but unless it’s a life or death situation, I DO NOT see a place for any of that sort of stuff in a fight.
There is no such thing as “dirty fighting”. If you make a habit of getting into fights, then you’d better make a habit of fighting “dirty”.
There’s winning and losing. There’s fighting, and then there’s combat. You’re lucky. There’s guys I know that would stab you for that shit.
Again. All like freshman in high school.
What? Did you misread what I wrote? Please reread my posts and you’ll see that the fight started because some jackass attacked my wife. I DON’T go around making it a habit of getting into fights. In fact, it had been several years up to that point since I had gotten into an actual fight. And the incident happened 5 years ago.
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Only read that specific post. But all I’m saying is that if you think that you’re too gentlemanly to use so called “dirty” techniques, then you shouldn’t make fighting a habit.
Doesn’t matter if you did anything wrong- that’s what I’m trying to say. You put this guy in the position where he passed out- as far as he knows, you’re not letting go.
If I saw you doing that to my buddy on the street, I would have kicked you in the head. As would most of the people I know. Biting or not.
This is remarkably naive.
You won’t be “standing” behind it. You’ll be laying behind it. If you got me in a triangle, I would try to rip your balls off. You try to choke me, I’m going straight for your eyes. There’s no way in hell that I would let you get me unconcious. I think you’re saying that some animals are more equal than others.
Have you ever taken an “ass whipping”? Do you know how easy it is to get killed completely unintentionally during a fight in the street?
You take your ass whipping. I’d rather live and have all my moving parts.
Am I the only person who believes that training people in fighting makes them better at fighting AND NOTHING ELSE? I think the respect thing is a load of bullshit.
I think most people are pretty nice when they get into fighting… but nevertheless think that beating people up would be cool.
Then they get good and realise “Hey, I don’t want to beat the shit out of my friends”. Foolish people mistake this for some kind of inner-peace-chi-powered-blackbelt-consciousness.
Assholes who can fight are still assholes.
[quote]blazindave wrote:
I dunno where you live.
However in some countries/states, being a black belt or a professional fighter automatically makes your body/hands/legs/feet/etc classified as weapons and the penalty would be much greater for a black belt to get in a fight than just a normal person.
This could go in your favor if you think about it legally.
However while most black belts are taught respect, people do tend to lose their cool (black belts are humans too).
Also, depending on the dojo, especially very bad ones, respect and all that is thrown out the window.
This guy just sounds like a dumb ass.
Have friend B tell you what dojo and style the father is in, and see if you can contact the dojo or whatever to verify his claim.[/quote]
Thanks, you made my day. I know people make fun of Canada for no reason but that is hilarious. If I’m in Canada and some 30 yr old weakling with a blackbelt in hapkido/taekwondo/duk-so-pork tries to pinch a nerve in my armpit, I’ll be sure to let the authorities know that he had a blackbelt.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
blazindave wrote:
I dunno where you live.
However in some countries/states, being a black belt or a professional fighter automatically makes your body/hands/legs/feet/etc classified as weapons and the penalty would be much greater for a black belt to get in a fight than just a normal person.
This could go in your favor if you think about it legally.
However while most black belts are taught respect, people do tend to lose their cool (black belts are humans too).
Also, depending on the dojo, especially very bad ones, respect and all that is thrown out the window.
This guy just sounds like a dumb ass.
Have friend B tell you what dojo and style the father is in, and see if you can contact the dojo or whatever to verify his claim.
Thanks, you made my day. I know people make fun of Canada for no reason but that is hilarious. If I’m in Canada and some 30 yr old weakling with a blackbelt in hapkido/taekwondo/duk-so-pork tries to pinch a nerve in my armpit, I’ll be sure to let the authorities know that he had a blackbelt.[/quote]
What? That won’t do you any good.
If you’re trying to be clever/witty, you’ve failed horribly.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Am I the only person who believes that training people in fighting makes them better at fighting AND NOTHING ELSE? I think the respect thing is a load of bullshit.
I think most people are pretty nice when they get into fighting… but nevertheless think that beating people up would be cool.
Then they get good and realise “Hey, I don’t want to beat the shit out of my friends”. Foolish people mistake this for some kind of inner-peace-chi-powered-blackbelt-consciousness.
Assholes who can fight are still assholes.[/quote]
Nah. There are some arts, many of them traditional, that focus as much on spirtual development as they do on fighting. Some even more.
At the dojo that I attended, there was a marked difference in the demeanor and actions of the black belts vs. the rest of the class. It was also a very traditional dojo, not one of the chains.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
Am I the only person who believes that training people in fighting makes them better at fighting AND NOTHING ELSE? I think the respect thing is a load of bullshit.
I think most people are pretty nice when they get into fighting… but nevertheless think that beating people up would be cool.
Then they get good and realise “Hey, I don’t want to beat the shit out of my friends”. Foolish people mistake this for some kind of inner-peace-chi-powered-blackbelt-consciousness.
Assholes who can fight are still assholes.
Nah. There are some arts, many of them traditional, that focus as much on spirtual development as they do on fighting. Some even more.
At the dojo that I attended, there was a marked difference in the demeanor and actions of the black belts vs. the rest of the class. It was also a very traditional dojo, not one of the chains.[/quote]
This is possible. But I simply don’t think that people who attain this kind of demeanor are very violent people; just nice guys who become a bit more spiritual. I did Aikido for a while and met a couple of guys like this. I doubt they were ever the type to stick a knife in your back.
This is a very difficult point to argue in person, never mind over the internet. You could well be entirely correct… there is probably some validity to both our arguments.
I know that boxing never made me more violent, only more competent…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Please tell me you don’t bite or anything like that. The last fight I got into, I got the guy to the ground and was about to lay on a rear naked choke when he grabbed hold of my left arm and sank his teeth into the inside of my elbow. He was trying to twist and everything and wouldn’t let go.
It didn’t hurt as much as it just pissed me off even more…I suppose due to all the adrenaline flowing. So I grabbed one of his ears with my other hand and yanked until he let go. Then I gave him a couple of good thumps and a knee before I caught him with a guillotine until he passed out. I was livid. Saw him in a neck brace a week later.
Anyway, found out that he had been given some specific training in Kino Mutai - the Filipino art of controlled biting and eye gouging. Looking into it further, turns out he was specifically targeting my brachial artery. Fortunately, he didn’t do much more than surface damage which left a good bit of scarring.
I guess my point is, there’s dirty fighting…and then there’s just downright dishonorable fighting. Maybe it’s just me, but unless it’s a life or death situation, I DO NOT see a place for any of that sort of stuff in a fight.
There is no such thing as “dirty fighting”. If you make a habit of getting into fights, then you’d better make a habit of fighting “dirty”.
There’s winning and losing. There’s fighting, and then there’s combat. You’re lucky. There’s guys I know that would stab you for that shit.
Again. All like freshman in high school.
What? Did you misread what I wrote? Please reread my posts and you’ll see that the fight started because some jackass attacked my wife. I DON’T go around making it a habit of getting into fights. In fact, it had been several years up to that point since I had gotten into an actual fight. And the incident happened 5 years ago.
Only read that specific post. But all I’m saying is that if you think that you’re too gentlemanly to use so called “dirty” techniques, then you shouldn’t make fighting a habit.[/quote]
Okay, I understand what you’re saying. Again, I don’t make a habit of it…one time in like 7 years is hardly a habit. And it’s just my personal opinion. I’m sure there might be some circumstances where my opinion might change…I’ll explain below.
And what do you mean there are guys you know “that would stab you for that shit.” What shit? There’s nothing I did wrong…it was the other jackass who did the biting.
[quote]Doesn’t matter if you did anything wrong- that’s what I’m trying to say. You put this guy in the position where he passed out- as far as he knows, you’re not letting go.
If I saw you doing that to my buddy on the street, I would have kicked you in the head. As would most of the people I know. Biting or not.[/quote]
Yes, I put him into the position where he passed out only AFTER he bit the shit out of me. I was trying to defuse the situation. When I first took his back I was also only trying to defuse the situation and get him out of there, not choke him out or anything. Same thing any other bouncer would do. He escalated things well beyond a normal fight, and I felt it was the best way to end it without pummeling the shit out of him and causing worse damage.
But as for jumping in and kicking someone in the head, how is that any better than the “freshman” stuff you’re talking about? That’s nothing more than some chump-assed gangbanging shit there. Not insinuating that you are one. Pulling someone off of a buddy, yes, but not double teaming them.
Let me understand you’re thinking…you’re in my situation.
- Some guy starts groping your wife.
- She tells him to stop but he doesn’t, so she smacks him.
- He wacks her with a pool cue.
- You take him down and get him a position where you can help him out the door.
- He bites the hell out of you, deliberately trying to cause some serious damage.
- You decide to finish it and pass him out.
- His buddies jump in and start to kick your ass.
By what you said, that you would do the same, they’re entirely in the right to do so?
[quote]I still stand by my belief that there are some “techniques” that have no place in an honorable fight. In combat, yes, “dirty” fighting is at times necessary. Afterall, your life is on the line. However, in a normal bar or street fight…you just don’t do it. Take an ass whooping like a man and don’t resort to stupid shit like that.
This is remarkably naive.
You won’t be “standing” behind it. You’ll be laying behind it. If you got me in a triangle, I would try to rip your balls off. You try to choke me, I’m going straight for your eyes. There’s no way in hell that I would let you get me unconcious. I think you’re saying that some animals are more equal than others.
Have you ever taken an “ass whipping”? Do you know how easy it is to get killed completely unintentionally during a fight in the street?
You take your ass whipping. I’d rather live and have all my moving parts.[/quote]
Again, I only guillotined him AFTER the dirty shit he tried. Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Please tell me you don’t bite or anything like that. The last fight I got into, I got the guy to the ground and was about to lay on a rear naked choke when he grabbed hold of my left arm and sank his teeth into the inside of my elbow. He was trying to twist and everything and wouldn’t let go.
It didn’t hurt as much as it just pissed me off even more…I suppose due to all the adrenaline flowing. So I grabbed one of his ears with my other hand and yanked until he let go.
Then I gave him a couple of good thumps and a knee before I caught him with a guillotine until he passed out. I was livid. Saw him in a neck brace a week later.
Anyway, found out that he had been given some specific training in Kino Mutai - the Filipino art of controlled biting and eye gouging. Looking into it further, turns out he was specifically targeting my brachial artery.
Fortunately, he didn’t do much more than surface damage which left a good bit of scarring.
I guess my point is, there’s dirty fighting…and then there’s just downright dishonorable fighting. Maybe it’s just me, but unless it’s a life or death situation, I DO NOT see a place for any of that sort of stuff in a fight.
There is no such thing as “dirty fighting”. If you make a habit of getting into fights, then you’d better make a habit of fighting “dirty”.
There’s winning and losing. There’s fighting, and then there’s combat. You’re lucky. There’s guys I know that would stab you for that shit.
Again. All like freshman in high school.
What? Did you misread what I wrote? Please reread my posts and you’ll see that the fight started because some jackass attacked my wife. I DON’T go around making it a habit of getting into fights. In fact, it had been several years up to that point since I had gotten into an actual fight. And the incident happened 5 years ago.
Only read that specific post. But all I’m saying is that if you think that you’re too gentlemanly to use so called “dirty” techniques, then you shouldn’t make fighting a habit.
Okay, I understand what you’re saying. Again, I don’t make a habit of it…one time in like 7 years is hardly a habit. And it’s just my personal opinion. I’m sure there might be some circumstances where my opinion might change…I’ll explain below.
And what do you mean there are guys you know “that would stab you for that shit.” What shit? There’s nothing I did wrong…it was the other jackass who did the biting.
Doesn’t matter if you did anything wrong- that’s what I’m trying to say. You put this guy in the position where he passed out- as far as he knows, you’re not letting go.
If I saw you doing that to my buddy on the street, I would have kicked you in the head. As would most of the people I know. Biting or not.
Yes, I put him into the position where he passed out only AFTER he bit the shit out of me. I was trying to defuse the situation. When I first took his back I was also only trying to defuse the situation and get him out of there, not choke him out or anything.
Same thing any other bouncer would do. He escalated things well beyond a normal fight, and I felt it was the best way to end it without pummeling the shit out of him and causing worse damage.
But as for jumping in and kicking someone in the head, how is that any better than the “freshman” stuff you’re talking about? That’s nothing more than some chump-assed gangbanging shit there.
Not insinuating that you are one. Pulling someone off of a buddy, yes, but not double teaming them.
Let me understand you’re thinking…you’re in my situation.
- Some guy starts groping your wife.
- She tells him to stop but he doesn’t, so she smacks him.
- He wacks her with a pool cue.
- You take him down and get him a position where you can help him out the door.
- He bites the hell out of you, deliberately trying to cause some serious damage.
- You decide to finish it and pass him out.
- His buddies jump in and start to kick your ass.
By what you said, that you would do the same, they’re entirely in the right to do so?
I still stand by my belief that there are some “techniques” that have no place in an honorable fight. In combat, yes, “dirty” fighting is at times necessary.
Afterall, your life is on the line. However, in a normal bar or street fight…you just don’t do it. Take an ass whooping like a man and don’t resort to stupid shit like that.
This is remarkably naive.
You won’t be “standing” behind it. You’ll be laying behind it. If you got me in a triangle, I would try to rip your balls off. You try to choke me, I’m going straight for your eyes. There’s no way in hell that I would let you get me unconcious. I think you’re saying that some animals are more equal than others.
Have you ever taken an “ass whipping”? Do you know how easy it is to get killed completely unintentionally during a fight in the street?
You take your ass whipping. I’d rather live and have all my moving parts.
Again, I only guillotined him AFTER the dirty shit he tried. Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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Why did he badmouth your wife in the first place? and why didn’t you just tell him to leave instead of getting physical.
Trying to get in someone’s face and pushing them out from behind…and you’re surprised he freaks out?
He doesn’t know your intention.
Dude, did you read the posts? He was shit talking and groping her (hello, sexual assault). By the time I could do or say anything (I was working the door) she had smacked him and he whacked her hard as hell with a pool cue and she was on the floor. The next morning, she had dark purple bruising about 5" wide and 12" long.
Talking was over at that point. Would you have just stood there and not done something? You ever bounced a bar before? How else would you get them out the door except by pushing them out from behind?
My intentions were quite clear (as was the word Staff on my shirt) until he bit me. His freinds must have thought he deserved it cause none of them stepped in to help.
Screw it, whoever believes biting is okay in a fight, go on and keep doing. I just personally don’t think it belongs there.
[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
Dude, did you read the posts? He was shit talking and groping her (hello, sexual assault). By the time I could do or say anything (I was working the door) she had smacked him and he whacked her hard as hell with a pool cue and she was on the floor. The next morning, she had dark purple bruising about 5" wide and 12" long.
Talking was over at that point. Would you have just stood there and not done something? You ever bounced a bar before? How else would you get them out the door except by pushing them out from behind?
My intentions were quite clear (as was the word Staff on my shirt) until he bit me. His freinds must have thought he deserved it cause none of them stepped in to help.
Screw it, whoever believes biting is okay in a fight, go on and keep doing. I just personally don’t think it belongs there.
[/quote]
It’s funny that all of this came up, because I was put in that position again last night.
But let me say- I didn’t read all of your posts, didn’t know you worked there, etc. I’m not saying you were wrong in what you did. I’m just saying that there are guys out there that don’t give a fuck if you think you did anything wrong or not- their first move in a fight is going to be tremendously violent.
My buddies got into a fight last night. It was standard shit- drunk, in the street outside a bar. A couple of them got dogged in the face, and I almost got into with a very large juicehead.
Let me tell you- it’s a completely different experience in a real fight. I fucking hate it. When there’s some guy that’s twice your size in a ripped a shirt, looking at you and saying, “Alright, you and me”, it sucks. Even though I know in my head that size doesn’t equal fighting skills by any means, when a guy that big lands a shot, it’s got the potential to put you down.
I had my hands in a low guard (stupid) and was starting to look to land a lead left to end it when other people, like cops, came, and it was time for me to go.
I fucking hate it. I can’t stress enough how much this shit should be avoided.
This is the reason I go off the handle when I hear people talk about the stuff like it’s a playground scuffle.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Dude, did you read the posts? He was shit talking and groping her (hello, sexual assault). By the time I could do or say anything (I was working the door) she had smacked him and he whacked her hard as hell with a pool cue and she was on the floor. The next morning, she had dark purple bruising about 5" wide and 12" long.
Talking was over at that point. Would you have just stood there and not done something? You ever bounced a bar before? How else would you get them out the door except by pushing them out from behind?
My intentions were quite clear (as was the word Staff on my shirt) until he bit me. His freinds must have thought he deserved it cause none of them stepped in to help.
Screw it, whoever believes biting is okay in a fight, go on and keep doing. I just personally don’t think it belongs there.
It’s funny that all of this came up, because I was put in that position again last night.
But let me say- I didn’t read all of your posts, didn’t know you worked there, etc. I’m not saying you were wrong in what you did. I’m just saying that there are guys out there that don’t give a fuck if you think you did anything wrong or not- their first move in a fight is going to be tremendously violent.[/quote]
Sorry, this last post was in response to blazindave’s questions. Hope you didn’t think it was an attack at you or anything.
Yeah, I agree that it’s hard to tell how any individual person might react.
[quote]My buddies got into a fight last night. It was standard shit- drunk, in the street outside a bar. A couple of them got dogged in the face, and I almost got into with a very large juicehead.
Let me tell you- it’s a completely different experience in a real fight. I fucking hate it. When there’s some guy that’s twice your size in a ripped a shirt, looking at you and saying, “Alright, you and me”, it sucks. Even though I know in my head that size doesn’t equal fighting skills by any means, when a guy that big lands a shot, it’s got the potential to put you down.[/quote]
Although I’ve always taken size into a little consideration, I also agree that it’s no match for skill. I’d say I was always concerned more about someone being just plain nutz rather than size. You never can tell what some psycho might do. Yeah, a bigger guy can sometimes put you down with one well-placed shot, but they aren’t always the fastest either. Just a generalization of typical bar brawlers, though, cause a truly trained fighter can be relatively fast despite size. Just more to take into consideration.
[quote]I had my hands in a low guard (stupid) and was starting to look to land a lead left to end it when other people, like cops, came, and it was time for me to go.
I fucking hate it. I can’t stress enough how much this shit should be avoided.
This is the reason I go off the handle when I hear people talk about the stuff like it’s a playground scuffle.[/quote]
I can understand completely about the playground scuffle stuff. No harm, no foul bro. Glad you were able to get out of there without any trouble.