[quote]Varqanir wrote:
matko5 wrote:
Why would anyone want to carry an automatic rifle on him, on a normal day?
On a normal day, probably nobody would want to.
This is a Browning automatic rifle. It weighs over 20 pounds fully loaded.[/quote]
Choices, choices. There are a few tough decisions here. The M1A as extolled by Varq is a great choice and easily humped around. A lot harder hitting than the 223. I like the 6.8 as a great compromise since I get a 5 -10 round increase, little recoil and app 243 energy.
Try to find the ammo though and you’re back to the 308 already. My Bushmaster 50 caliber is about 35 pounds and that’s just to heavy, but woudl make a great statement.
So it’s an M1A and a Glock 19. App. 100 rounds of 308 and 50 rounds of 89mm is both practical, easily carried and oh so useful.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
App. 100 rounds of 308 and 50 rounds of 89mm is both practical, easily carried and oh so useful.[/quote]
50 rounds of 89mm rocket ammunition would definitely be useful, but I don’t know about practical, unless you had a French LRAC to fire them in, and as for easily carried, I’m not so sure.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
App. 100 rounds of 308 and 50 rounds of 89mm is both practical, easily carried and oh so useful.
50 rounds of 89mm rocket ammunition would definitely be useful, but I don’t know about practical, unless you had a French LRAC to fire them in, and as for easily carried, I’m not so sure.
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Hahahaha, got me, my 45 46 next week old eyes are screwing with me. Need some reading glasses. But you get my point.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
App. 100 rounds of 308 and 50 rounds of 89mm is both practical, easily carried and oh so useful.
50 rounds of 89mm rocket ammunition would definitely be useful, but I don’t know about practical, unless you had a French LRAC to fire them in, and as for easily carried, I’m not so sure.
Hahahaha, got me, my 45 46 next week old eyes are screwing with me. Need some reading glasses. But you get my point.[/quote]
I do indeed.
Pausing only to add that fifty rounds of 45 ACP are nearly as easily carried, far more useful, and eminently more practical. I like something in 1911 configuration, but you’re welcome to carry a Glock 21 if you wish.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
App. 100 rounds of 308 and 50 rounds of 89mm is both practical, easily carried and oh so useful.
50 rounds of 89mm rocket ammunition would definitely be useful, but I don’t know about practical, unless you had a French LRAC to fire them in, and as for easily carried, I’m not so sure.
Hahahaha, got me, my 45 46 next week old eyes are screwing with me. Need some reading glasses. But you get my point.
I do indeed.
Pausing only to add that fifty rounds of 45 ACP are nearly as easily carried, far more useful, and eminently more practical. I like something in 1911 configuration, but you’re welcome to carry a Glock 21 if you wish. [/quote]
Have to economize in these tough times. 45 acp is a little pricey, but I do have a SA XD, 10 and 13 round mags. Hell, I’ll bring that and the Glock.
another question, since bearing a arms is a friggin right and demanding free health care is bitchy whinyness, where is my free ammo and gun? Or guns? I can’t afford a Barrett 338 Lapua Magnum like some rich guys. It’s not fair!
I demand my rights to be honored. What are the salaries of those gun CEOs? Where is my ammo, whah, whah, whah!
Birthday is 8/27/1963, my list includes 1. 1000 rounds of 45 acp, 9mm, 357/38 special, 45 colt, 460 and 500 S&W magnum, 380, or 22 long rifle, 50 bmg, 308, 223, 6.8, and 243.
Barret 50 or 338 Lapua Magum, Sako TRG in 308 or 33 Lapua, S&W 8 shot revolver from the Performance center, Glcck 30, National Match M1A.
I’ll give any really cool birthday wisher my local FFL guys name and address if anyone wants to donate to the cause of liberty and freedom and my fun weekends.
Have to economize in these tough times. 45 acp is a little pricey, but I do have a SA XD, 10 and 13 round mags. Hell, I’ll bring that and the Glock.
another question, since bearing a arms is a friggin right and demanding free health care is bitchy whinyness, where is my free ammo and gun? Or guns? I can’t afford a Barrett 338 Lapua Magnum like some rich guys. It’s not fair!
I demand my rights to be honored. What are the salaries of those gun CEOs? Where is my ammo, whah, whah, whah![/quote]
I hear Congress is considering a new program called “Bucks for Bangsticks,” whereby you may trade in your old, obsolete, unsafe firearm for a 500 dollar voucher, to be used toward the purchase a modern new firearm equipped with a trigger lock, RFID tracking device, and ballistic fingerprinting, and whose serial number will already be entered into the BATFE national registry.
The old guns will, of course, be melted down and sold to China.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I’ve always wondered about the last line of the Rifleman’s Creed.
Do you think it means, “until there are no more enemies, and we therefore will have attained peace,” or “until the only enemy left is Peace”?
I lean toward the latter. Because really, what greater enemy does a professional soldier have, but Peace?[/quote]
I lean towards the first one. I still remember the teaching that a professional soldier wants peace but trains to be ready in case he is needed.
The tough thing I have always had with it is as a Marine you are the Spartans of the new world but the Spartans always wanted wars they needed wars as where the Marines are just training for the war not running out to start it.
I still remember the teaching that a professional soldier wants peace but trains to be ready in case he is needed. [/quote]
And I still remember the teaching of Gunny Hartman:
[i]If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit!
God has a hard on for Marines, because we kill everything we see. He plays His games, we play ours. To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls. God was here before the Marine Corps, so you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the corps![/i]
Yeah, yeah, it’s only a movie. I’m sure that no Marine ever believed anything like that ever.
I like what Jeff Cooper had to say about the whole peace business:
“Peace is a nice thing, but it is not overly impressive. All you need to do to achieve peace is to give up, and as to that, we will all have all the peace we need, all too soon.”
I still remember the teaching that a professional soldier wants peace but trains to be ready in case he is needed.
And I still remember the teaching of Gunny Hartman:
[i]If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit!
God has a hard on for Marines, because we kill everything we see. He plays His games, we play ours. To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls. God was here before the Marine Corps, so you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the corps![/i]
Yeah, yeah, it’s only a movie. I’m sure that no Marine ever believed anything like that ever.[/quote]
I will always love that movie and that is the way that I feel myself what is said there in someways are true but not to say anything bad against current or former Marines but the newer Generation seems to want to serve for the free college not so much of defending the country or anything else. This is a few that have the true reasons to go but they seem to be the minority now. The country as a hole is different then it was just 30 years ago and I don’t see any way out of it with the younger and younger generations getting more and more dependent on someone holding their hand. Until they wake up and do something about it they are doomed and us older generations will just have to wait till its our time to pass on and not deal with the bull anymore
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…peace that needs defending is not peace, but a very slow waging war. That should satisfy you, shouldn’t it?[/quote]
War is the natural state of Man. A permanent peace can only be attained with absolute totalitarianism, where each person is in absolute terror of disturbing the system.
“The National Intelligence Council report, Global Trends 2025, stated that many governments will be â??expanding domestic security forces, surveillance capabilities, and the employment of special operations-type forces.â?? Counterterrorism measures will increasingly â??involve urban operations as a result of greater urbanization,â?? and governments â??may increasingly erect barricades and fences around their territories to inhibit access. Gated communities will continue to spring up within many societies as elites seek to insulate themselves from domestic threats.â??[1] Essentially, expect a continued move towards and internationalization of domestic police state measures to control populations.”
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…peace that needs defending is not peace, but a very slow waging war. That should satisfy you, shouldn’t it?[/quote]
It should, shouldn’t it. Except that such an animal doesn’t exist on this planet.
I would be interested in seeing an example of any period in human history (post-agricultural revolution, preferably), in which ANY civilization enjoyed a prolonged (let’s say, longer than five years) period of your definition of “peace,” that is to say, without needing defending through force of arms.
Pax Romana doesn’t count (defended by most powerful army in the world), nor Pax Britannia (most powerful navy), nor Swiss neutrality (the entire country is a fortress), nor Pax Americana (see Rome and Britain above).
…in a roundabout way i was agreeing with the both of you. It’s the ultimate luxury that in Europe we’ve been enjoying the longest peacetime [except for the Balkan wars] in it’s history. Peace that was forged through economic cooperation. How long we can enjoy this luxury i don’t know, but when it’s in a nations best interest, due to economic reasons, not to invade it’s neighbouring countries, a lasting peace is possible…
War is the natural state of Man. A permanent peace can only be attained with absolute totalitarianism, where each person is in absolute terror of disturbing the system.
China today is the world of tommorow.
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“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever.” --Orwell
