This is a Kalashnikov. It is an infantry weapon that takes a medium cartridge, and is capable of a high rate of fully automatic fire, making it an assault rifle.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Bingo. This and my response to Vegita pretty much sum up my feelings on the “demonstrations”. Civil discourse is one thing. It accomplishes things. Shouting and threats of violence accomplish nothing and help to further divide our already highly polarized nation.
Shouting and threats of violence? Every single law that is passed that infringes on my liberty is enforced by threat of violence! Should I simply lick the boots of my masters and remain civil while every new law they pass is enforced by men with guns acting under color of law kicking my door down and taking me away to stick me in a cage? There is nothing civil about the violence done to us by every session of congress.
mike[/quote]
Why don’t you go read your history books and check out the sort of “governing” that is done under the thread of violence. The will of a few becomes the law for many. Being one of the few is all fine and dandy, but when you are one of those who disagrees with the simpletons who have no other political outlet beyond guns and threats, then what?
I never said ANYTHING about being a sheep or mindlessly following what you are told, so don’t even START to put that bullshit in my mouth. If you want to change things, find people who believe what you do, convince other people to believe the same thing, and then all of you vote. If you really are into this whole democracy thing, then that should seem reasonable. Violent coups and takeovers are more the realm of the fascist and communist dictators that you claim to despise so fervently. Our government was designed to prevent violence and revolution from becoming necessary for change.
Right now, your views are the minority. Say what you will, but the conservatives lost an election. As a matter of fact, they lost quite a few. That means you deal with it until you can get someone elected to pass laws that you like. Not quite as instantly gratifying as storming the capital building with guns blazing, but if you want to see the type of society that behavior creates, why don’t you take a look at what’s gone on for the past 50 years in the Middle East and South America.
This is a Ruger 10/22. It is a self-loading carbine that fires the .22 caliber rimfire cartridge. Although it is neither rugged enough nor powerful enough to be suitable for military use, ignorant politicians, seeing the sinister-looking extended magazine, the menacing pistol grip, and the terrifying folding stock, have given this little gun the scary name of “assault weapon,” and have sought to ban it on several occasions.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
…If you really are into this whole democracy thing…
FTR, I am NOT into the democracy thing. I AM into the constitutional republic thing.[/quote]
Percicely, I am not down with the majority of idiots fucking my country up because they are weak minded and will swallow every pill sold to them by smooth talking snake oil salesmen. The statement IS this is my gun, I will use it to protect my rights, liberties and freedoms. If the masses come up with a government which infringes upon those things, eventually I will be forced to use it because I cannot and will not live otherwise.
V
To put it another way, if a salesman comes to your door trying to sell you carpet cleaning, tupperware, religion etc… MOST people will sit there and let them do thier spiel, politely say no but then allow the salesman to continue to try to sell them. A lot of these people will eventually give in to the salesman and buy SOMETHING, otherwise these tactics would have died off long ago. When I answer the door to a salesman of any kind, I interrupt them as soon as I know they are trying to sell me something (with the exception of girl scouts, love those cookies).
If they do not leave my property immediately I inform them that they are now trespassing and if they are not off my property in 10 seconds, I am calling the cops. Now I would love to just ask them to hold right on if they don’t leave and go get my gun, but alas, I would probably get in trouble because modern society seems to think I need to put up with someones bullshit on my own front porch.
The guy with the rifle strapped to his shoulder was politely telling the government, he does not want this healthcare sold to him. Lets see if they leave his property or continue to try to sell it to him. (meanwhile the people inside the rally are fucking eachother over thier tupperware they just got hosed on)
V
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
…If you really are into this whole democracy thing…
FTR, I am NOT into the democracy thing. I AM into the constitutional republic thing.[/quote]
That’s just what I was going to say. A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Or in this case, where fifty-three percent may take away the rights of forty-six.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
…If you really are into this whole democracy thing…
FTR, I am NOT into the democracy thing. I AM into the constitutional republic thing.[/quote]
So you’re NOT into all individuals being able to vote and being able to participate if they so wish, but you are into an election-based political system?
Good to know.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Rev1911 wrote:
A delightful surprise from CNN. Check this “different” perspective from the Huffington Post (think Fox News, but the opposite). The Twitter Comment section at the bottom is hilarious.
I find it absurd that there are all these people chomping at the bit to scream ‘right-wing fanatic’ when a humble citizen packs heat in public. Yet, they make no qualms about BHO’s secret service agents and their undoubtedly full-auto firepower. He gets protection and if we try to protect ourselves we’re made out to be conservative nutjobs hell-bent on ‘terrorizing society’ with images of violence?
“So is this what we are reduced to? If we peaceably assemble to voice our support for universal health care, thugs with with semi-automatic guns are going to police us? This what the second amendment means? This nation is disgusting with its violence and intimidation and its racism. Fuck Arizona.”
— That’s a direct quote from one of my old college professor’s facebook page regarding the rally in Phoenix. She’s a caucasian lady from Hawaii and looooooves to throw out BS like this all over the interwebz. It’s pretty sickening to think she’s influencing a whole generation of kids to fear freedom and independence.
She’s a professor? When you say “Caucasian,” you mean “white,” right? As in she’s “European American?”
“Caucasians” are people like Armenians, Turks, etc. They tend to display a lot more common sense and a lot less self-loathing than liberal whites.
The SS gets to pack full auto UZIs and other SMGs that you and I have to pay $300 to register under the NFA and we still don’t get to carry them. [/quote]
Yes, a professor and she has white skin. She’s ranting and raving about the ‘racism’ of the man carrying the rifle at the rally, when he was actually a BLACK man (in the CNN article). You know what I’m saying. She’s white. She checks ‘caucasian’ on her census sheet, not black, not hispanic, not ‘other’. Come on, man. You know what I meant.
Also, you could pay for the stamp and carry your UZIs and SMGs if you moved the hell out of Kommifornia to a state like AZ.
Not that you would… but ya could. 
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s what’s good to know about me.
I believe the people should vote for their one congressional representative and the President.
I believe the 17th Amendment was probably a mistake.
I believe the members of Congress as well as the executive and judicial branches are compelled to follow the blueprint of the Constitution regardless of what the people or the lobbyists or anyone else on the face of the earth tells or allows them to do.
I believe the above has hardly happened consistently since about 1912 and the federal behemoth is a giant kudzu plant. “Democracy” is not the answer. Ending the indiscriminate transgressing of the Constitution is.
[/quote]
What he said.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here’s what’s good to know about me.
I believe the people should vote for their one congressional representative and the President.
I believe the 17th Amendment was probably a mistake.
I believe the members of Congress as well as the executive and judicial branches are compelled to follow the blueprint of the Constitution regardless of what the people or the lobbyists or anyone else on the face of the earth tells or allows them to do.
I believe the above has hardly happened consistently since about 1912 and the federal behemoth is a giant kudzu plant. “Democracy” is not the answer. Ending the indiscriminate transgressing of the Constitution is.
That’s what’s good to know about me.
[/quote]
You say giant kudzu plant, I say gargantuan malignant tumor. This must be why you think we are so ideologically dissimilar.
Also, why is it that we never see the real first amendment to the Constitution discussed?
After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
…If you really are into this whole democracy thing…
FTR, I am NOT into the democracy thing. I AM into the constitutional republic thing.
That’s just what I was going to say. A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Or in this case, where fifty-three percent may take away the rights of forty-six.[/quote]
Or in the case of the US where 49% can actually tell 51% what to do if the dice falls the right way.
[quote]orion wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
…If you really are into this whole democracy thing…
FTR, I am NOT into the democracy thing. I AM into the constitutional republic thing.
That’s just what I was going to say. A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Or in this case, where fifty-three percent may take away the rights of forty-six.
Or in the case of the US where 49% can actually tell 51% what to do if the dice falls the right way.
[/quote]
And that’s exactly what I was going to say…ok, so not exactly that way.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Bingo. This and my response to Vegita pretty much sum up my feelings on the “demonstrations”. Civil discourse is one thing. It accomplishes things. Shouting and threats of violence accomplish nothing and help to further divide our already highly polarized nation.
Shouting and threats of violence? Every single law that is passed that infringes on my liberty is enforced by threat of violence! Should I simply lick the boots of my masters and remain civil while every new law they pass is enforced by men with guns acting under color of law kicking my door down and taking me away to stick me in a cage? There is nothing civil about the violence done to us by every session of congress.
mike
Why don’t you go read your history books and check out the sort of “governing” that is done under the thread of violence. The will of a few becomes the law for many. Being one of the few is all fine and dandy, but when you are one of those who disagrees with the simpletons who have no other political outlet beyond guns and threats, then what?
I never said ANYTHING about being a sheep or mindlessly following what you are told, so don’t even START to put that bullshit in my mouth. If you want to change things, find people who believe what you do, convince other people to believe the same thing, and then all of you vote. If you really are into this whole democracy thing, then that should seem reasonable. Violent coups and takeovers are more the realm of the fascist and communist dictators that you claim to despise so fervently. Our government was designed to prevent violence and revolution from becoming necessary for change.
Right now, your views are the minority. Say what you will, but the conservatives lost an election. As a matter of fact, they lost quite a few. That means you deal with it until you can get someone elected to pass laws that you like. Not quite as instantly gratifying as storming the capital building with guns blazing, but if you want to see the type of society that behavior creates, why don’t you take a look at what’s gone on for the past 50 years in the Middle East and South America.
[/quote]
I have succumbed to your impenetrable argument. Yes We Can!
mike
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Here’s what’s good to know about me.
I believe the people should vote for their one congressional representative and the President.
I believe the 17th Amendment was probably a mistake.
I believe the members of Congress as well as the executive and judicial branches are compelled to follow the blueprint of the Constitution regardless of what the people or the lobbyists or anyone else on the face of the earth tells or allows them to do.
I believe the above has hardly happened consistently since about 1912 and the federal behemoth is a giant kudzu plant. “Democracy” is not the answer. Ending the indiscriminate transgressing of the Constitution is.
That’s what’s good to know about me.
You say giant kudzu plant, I say gargantuan malignant tumor. This must be why you think we are so ideologically dissimilar.
Also, why is it that we never see the real first amendment to the Constitution discussed?
After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.
[/quote]
You know George Mason once said that he couldn’t support the Constitution at one time because there’d be only one representative for every 3000 people. Currently it sits at about 750,000.
mike
EDIT: Hey Stronghold, I learned that in a history book.
Here’s MSNBC giving a fair and balanced look at our friend with the rifle:
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Here’s MSNBC giving a fair and balanced look at our friend with the rifle:
mike[/quote]
This is exactly why I made the crack about him having to be a well dressed gangbanger. I figured anyone carrying a gun would be portrayed as some kind of right-wing, white supremacist, milita-man. But, a black fellow? Nah, they’d have to come up with something else. Boy, was I wrong. Black guys are gun toting white supremacists, too!
[quote]Vegita wrote:
The statement IS this is my gun, I will use it to protect my rights, liberties and freedoms. If the masses come up with a government which infringes upon those things, eventually I will be forced to use it because I cannot and will not live otherwise.
V[/quote]
If you are going to make the statement make it right.
" This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL…
My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT…
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL…
Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE.
So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace!"
That is the proper way.
I’ve always wondered about the last line of the Rifleman’s Creed.
Do you think it means, “until there are no more enemies, and we therefore will have attained peace,” or “until the only enemy left is Peace”?
I lean toward the latter. Because really, what greater enemy does a professional soldier have, but Peace?