You’ve said this stuff will keep for several months, but how about storing it for longer. If a person were to buy it and with the intention of saving it for a couple years down the road, would it keep?
Alright two weeks of 11-T and I will list the positive changes I noted. For me after the first few days of spraying myself, I started to notice that buzz like feeling and a definitive uplift in mood. Also, after the first few days started to notice a nice increase in my endurance during my workout. I hit a lot of compound movements and supersets and felt like I could just keep hitting movements much to the dismay of my partner who thought I was trying to kill him.
Into the second week I started to notice the vascularity in my arms, biceps and forearms, were really starting to show when I was pumped from working out. The stubborn fat on my midsection started to diminish somewhat with no calorie deficit. Rather I’d been eating a little more to take advantage of any anabolic effect and slamming the Surge through training. The areas where I show muscle my quads, chest, arms, shoulders, back, were a little more defined and some new vains (under my arms tricep area) that had started to show in the last few months became a little more pronounced.
Finally, yesterday at work got together with some of the guys to see what we could do on bench regarding max. Well, 315 had been alluding since I had done some actual gear a couple of years ago. I’ve put up 300 and even 310 recently but the big 3 wheels per side as I said alluded me.
So, warmed up 135 x 10 then 225x3, 275x 1, then slapped on the wheels and went down kinda slow hit the chest up about four inches slightly stall and then bam that fifth gear kicked in and it slowly creeped up to full ext. Felt damn good to break that hurdle, damn good! Finished with an endurance burner of 225 for fifteen reps.
Went home last night and hit a biceps workout at home threw the 45’s on the EZ Curl bar and on my first set hit 120 for ten solid form reps. I usually get around 7 or 8 so a definite rep increase. Hit four more sets of that and hit some dumbell work and my arms were stiff from being pumped and veiny as hell. I’ll post up some pics I took after my arm workout last night, but they really don’t do it justice as the picture quality is from a camera phone and not detailed.
Well, in a nutshell I’ve noticed increased work capacity, increased vascularity and definition which is great for a chunky guy, and increased strength. I give 11-T two thumbs up and plan on getting another bottle if possible.
D
Here is the first pic:
Second pic:
Last one:
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[quote]wek wrote:
You’ve said this stuff will keep for several months, but how about storing it for longer. If a person were to buy it and with the intention of saving it for a couple years down the road, would it keep?[/quote]
Bill has already discussed this in the second page of this thread.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Incidentally, I’m guessing using this product with steroids is ok since it can be used with prohormones?[/quote]
Yes, but I’d tend to view it as cost-inefficient, as having the juice positive effect of 11-T on muscle building will be swamped; if the purpose is cutting the the juice is already helping with that though the 11-T should be able to help more by adding another mechanism; and if bulking then while fat gain might well be reduced, is that really worth $40/week? (For some I suppose so but for most probably not.)
Hi Bill,
It sounds like this product works best on visceral fat rather than subcutaneous fat. Why does it work better on this type of fat when applied locally when the subcutaneous fat lies closer to the tissue that the spray is being applied to? I understand that the subcutaneous fat has its own seperate blood supply, but so does the visceral fat doesn’t it since it lies deeper yet?
Also how is dermal fat and subcutaneous fat different?
I appreciate your response!
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
however, you still are saying something that makes absolutely no sense to me at all, and i would be very interested to have you clarify it for me, and possibly others:
“To this day, I have not seen ANY noticeable visual differences. However, I have achieved faster gains and I can feel the difference.”
I am confused because you also said the following:
"After 5 days of use, 3 being 35 sprays twice a day, and 2 being 7-8 sprays 4-5 times a day I have noticed significant changes. The 35 sprays twice a day seems to have a much better effect.
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I am almost 21 and have a significantly higher sex drive than I have ever had my entire life and “wow”. This is the most profound effect which I find very funny.
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Muscle feels denser, firmer, and gains seem more significant.
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I seem to have no problem eating much higher amounts of food, especially proteins throughout the day. On top of which I am consistently hungry.
I had my doubts but this seems to have eliminated every last one. Get it and you won’t be disappointed."
you keep referencing these gains, yet you also say no visible difference.
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For clarification:
bench press increased 15 lbs
deadlift increased 20 lbs, but I can already begin to add more
Lat pulldowns increased 30 lbs
Rows increased 30 lbs
Bicept curls increased 10 lbs
-I’m not sure, but this may just be better muscle utilization as with all stimulants and not actually gains. Only time will tell. My breakthroughs are usually a mere 5-10 lbs.
I felt a tightening sensation ,similar to but not the same as a good workout not followed by stretching, in the muscle that lasted for days. That was what I was referring to when I described the firm and dense feeling. I do no see any significant changes in body fat, muscle size, or definition.
Food wise, at first I was eating my food much faster and was usually still hungry afterward. Since then, I noticed something different about my sensitivity to sugars.
In the mornings I usually take a Dextrose, Malto-dextrin, and 50g Protein shake to replenish those great glycogen levels. Usually I have no problem and I feel great and ready for another day. Now I feel the crashing sensation within 15 minutes.
Also, at first I was using the product incorrectly. I sprayed 7 times 4-5 times per day. I generated the idea of out nowhere that the buzzing effects would last longer. This didn’t seem to work that well so I switched to 35 sprays twice a day. Then I noticed a difference.
I really can’t say if this is going to even be worthwhile for you. I have had more profound effects and better workouts with ephedra but I shrink too much. If you can get your hands on hormones in your community then I’m sure this is going to seem insignificant to you.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Incidentally, I’m guessing using this product with steroids is ok since it can be used with prohormones?
Yes, but I’d tend to view it as cost-inefficient, as having the juice positive effect of 11-T on muscle building will be swamped; if the purpose is cutting the the juice is already helping with that though the 11-T should be able to help more by adding another mechanism;
and if bulking then while fat gain might well be reduced, is that really worth $40/week? (For some I suppose so but for most probably not.)[/quote]
Ok. Sounds good, Bill. Thanks for the input.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Alright two weeks of 11-T and I will list the positive changes I noted. For me after the first few days of spraying myself, I started to notice that buzz like feeling and a definitive uplift in mood.
Also, after the first few days started to notice a nice increase in my endurance during my workout. I hit a lot of compound movements and supersets and felt like I could just keep hitting movements much to the dismay of my partner who thought I was trying to kill him.
Into the second week I started to notice the vascularity in my arms, biceps and forearms, were really starting to show when I was pumped from working out. The stubborn fat on my midsection started to diminish somewhat with no calorie deficit.
Rather I’d been eating a little more to take advantage of any anabolic effect and slamming the Surge through training. The areas where I show muscle my quads, chest, arms, shoulders, back, were a little more defined and some new vains (under my arms tricep area) that had started to show in the last few months became a little more pronounced.
Finally, yesterday at work got together with some of the guys to see what we could do on bench regarding max. Well, 315 had been alluding since I had done some actual gear a couple of years ago. I’ve put up 300 and even 310 recently but the big 3 wheels per side as I said alluded me.
So, warmed up 135 x 10 then 225x3, 275x 1, then slapped on the wheels and went down kinda slow hit the chest up about four inches slightly stall and then bam that fifth gear kicked in and it slowly creeped up to full ext. Felt damn good to break that hurdle, damn good! Finished with an endurance burner of 225 for fifteen reps.
Went home last night and hit a biceps workout at home threw the 45’s on the EZ Curl bar and on my first set hit 120 for ten solid form reps. I usually get around 7 or 8 so a definite rep increase. Hit four more sets of that and hit some dumbell work and my arms were stiff from being pumped and veiny as hell.
I’ll post up some pics I took after my arm workout last night, but they really don’t do it justice as the picture quality is from a camera phone and not detailed.
Well, in a nutshell I’ve noticed increased work capacity, increased vascularity and definition which is great for a chunky guy, and increased strength. I give 11-T two thumbs up and plan on getting another bottle if possible.
D
Here is the first pic:[/quote]
Looking good bro, and I was struggling to explain how 11-T was effecting me, but you nailed it, vascularity, and a more shredded look for sure, even though I’m putting away the calories.
I’d want to get another bottle to use at the end of a cut, to get that super low bf%. Congrats on the 315 as well, gotta feel good! 
interesting product. Bill would it be prudent to lose weight, getting back into shape after being injuried, to try this product at a later time, like finishing
physical therapy and getting used to working
at my job? i do have my work cut out for me.
i know what to expect and what to do as far
as dieting and and starting to do the exercing. i’m back where i was almost 4yrs
ago. should i just lose the weight i gained
then try this product? any advise would greatly appreciated.
Barton
Bill- Thanks for being so honest and generous with the information you have provided thus far. I’ve been lurking for several months and had no intentions of creating an account. But here I am to let you and others know how well this product has worked for me in such a short period of time.
I originally purchased the product to simply support your R&D efforts. I can afford to drop a few bills and appreciate anyone who is willing to invest the money and take the risks to help improve individual performance (…and make a buck or two in the process). I honestly had very low expectations of the product. After trying numerous ineffective supplements I was not expecting anything noticeable. However, I’ve been using this for almost 2 weeks now and I’m seeing positive results similar to the others who have posted here. I’ve pushed past a long plateau in size in my legs, arms and chest. My strength in the gym is better than ever with new PR in several lifts. And my endurance in the gym is amazing. I’ve gained 4 lbs and my diet has not changed.
This could just be timing like you suggested in a message to another poster. Or it could just be my brain thinking I’m spraying magic holy water and reacting accordingly. Either way, it doesn’t make any difference to me.
There will always be skeptics. And like some supplements this may not work for everyone. But it works for me and I’m very satisfied. I just wished I had purchased 2 bottles.
Please, please, please make more! My credit card is standing by
bartonmlee, that sounds like a good plan.
ignignokt, thanks! I’m glad you’ve gotten good results.
I’m pretty sure we’re making more but don’t know how long that may take.
I don’t believe my post went through, but I asked are you supposed to have someone spray this for you on your back? I can see that a person can spray their front, but on the instructions for use, it mentions to spray the most surface area of the skin. So I’m wondering would it be extra beneficial to spray both the front and back? Or can you get away with just spraying your front, and still see good results.
Thanks.
So long as the area sprayed is at least half the available area, defining available area as that of the torso (excluding genital region), arms (excluding hands), and legs (excluding feet), the area is sufficient and no need to worry about increasing it yet further by spraying yet more lightly over a yet greater area.
But as for spraying on the back, it really is not hard to do oneself.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
So long as the area sprayed is at least half the available area, defining available area as that of the torso (excluding genital region), arms (excluding hands), and legs (excluding feet), the area is sufficient and no need to worry about increasing it yet further by spraying yet more lightly over a yet greater area.
But as for spraying on the back, it really is not hard to do oneself.[/quote]
I’ve been trying to follow this thread pretty good, but I have a question:
because of the fact that it is a localized effect, would it be fair to assume that if one did their 35 sprays on just the lower body, or just the upper body, that just that half of the body would receive the benefits?
in other words, does the spray need to be spread amongst the whole body in order for it to work at all?
That half of the body would receive probably even greater dermal (within skin) benefits.
The entire body would receive the effects on non-dermal bodyfat, which is most of it.
The part of the body not sprayed would still receive benefits regarding dermal fat, but just getting it from levels from the blood rather than combined blood-plus-skin-diffusion.
Just curious why the instructions picture shows not to spray on your ass?
[quote]ryanjm wrote:
Just curious why the instructions picture shows not to spray on your ass?[/quote]
Not per an instruction I gave on it (I didn’t) but as a guess probably to avoid overspray going on the scrotum, which is quite painful if it occurs.
There’s nothing wrong with applying to the glutes so long as avoiding the above-mentioned problem, which isn’t difficult to avoid in that application.
Yeah, I sprayed my inner thigh and the mist must have traveled elsewhere. That was NOT a good feeling lol