Mak - well done, again. Not sure if you typed slowly enough for him though . . . might try spacing the words out a little more
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
No. If a muslim is defined as a member of the islamic religion and you discriminate against them, then you are a racist. It’s just definition. Muslims = an ethnic group; while the nazis are not an ethnic group. [/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about? Are all Muslims Arab now?
Did I miss the memo?
Did someone notify Yusef Islam?[/quote]
???[/quote]
MUSLIMS ARE NOT AN ETHNIC GROUP. THEY MAKE A DECISION (of sorts) TO FOLLOW ISLAM. YOUR ETHNIC GROUP IS NOT DECIDED BY YOU.
I AM TYPING THIS VERY SLOWLY SO YOU CAN CATCH UP.[/quote]
Tell me about it.
Ethnic group :
A group of people who identify with one another, especially on the basis of racial, cultural, or religious grounds
group of people who are part of a common and distinctive culture. An ethnic group can be determined on the basis of a complex set of characteristics, including race, nationality, religion, ancestry, and language.
This is a group which is defined by race, religion, nationality or culture.
A group of people who share a common religion, color, or national origin. Irish Americans, Mexican Americans, German Americans, Italian Americans are examples of ethnic groups. Some members of ethnic groups participate in the customs and practices of their groups, while others do not. …
A group of people who hold in common a set of traditions that distinguish them from others with whom they are in contact. Such traditions typically include a sense of historical continuity, and a common ancestry, place of origin, religious beliefs and practices, and language. …
A social categorization of a group of people that have a shared/common ancestry, heritage, culture, language or religion. They are bound together by a cultural homogeneity, and usually adhere to similar beliefs and customs. Ethnicity is often confused with race.
An ethnic group is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or assumed. This shared heritage may be based upon putative common ancestry, history, Culture, Traditions, kinship, religion, language, shared territory, nationality or/and physical appearance. Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group’s distinctiveness.
Maybe you should read the definition before slowly typing shit…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Mak - well done, again. Not sure if you typed slowly enough for him though . . . might try spacing the words out a little more[/quote]
I.S., you cock-blocked me, dadgum it.[/quote]
Sorry, Push - didn’t see you breaking it down real time for Joe
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Mak - well done, again. Not sure if you typed slowly enough for him though . . . might try spacing the words out a little more[/quote]
I.S., you cock-blocked me, dadgum it.[/quote]
Sorry, Push - didn’t see you breaking it down real time for Joe[/quote]
Maybe you should go back to your US army worship thread instead of getting involved in things way beyond your mental capacity like understanding simple definition.
Oh no you did not . . . I was well clear of this issue - now you done it . . .
Ethnicity defined: The term “ethnic group” as modernly defined was not brought into use until the German Sociologist Max Weber and others began using it in the early 1930’s
Ethnic, comes form the greek ethnos, meaning nation and was used to define people of the same distinctive culture. Thus the broader terms of heritage, nationalism, genetic background, religion, language, customs, geography, etc are all used inter-dependently to set up the distinctiveness of the particualr ethnic group you are trying to identify.
One characteristic (ie religion) doth not an ethnic group create. it must be bound within a grouping of traits that distinquish that ethnicty from all other ethnicities. Above all, the group itself must be able to identify itself as a stand-alone ethnicity and have the awareness of their ethnicity - this is due to the need for a commonality of culture - the predominate prerequisite ofr ethnic identification.
Thus the classification of Nazi as an ethnic group stands true, when perceived within the greater German nationalism, the ethnic identification of being German was swallowed up by the common cultural identity of the Nazi’s - once the war was ended, the German people themselves have divorced their identity from that of the Nazi belief system, although removing it has not altered their ethnic identity, it has merely rearranged the descriptives by which the commonly-held cultue chooses to identify itself.
If cannot be said that practitioners of Islam have identified themselves as being of a single common culture, nationality, language, genetic background, cusotms or geoagraphy - thus all of the prerequisite groupings of traits are missing. The only commoncality is one of shared religious belief, but even this is fragmented into at least three main and a dozen minor variations. Tus it can be daid that Islam is not an ethnic identity . . .
So take your smarmy little quips, packs up your bags and head on down the road, jack. . . you done lost this one . . .
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Oh no you did not . . . I was well clear of this issue - now you done it . . .
Ethnicity defined: The term “ethnic group” as modernly defined was not brought into use until the German Sociologist Max Weber and others began using it in the early 1930’s
Ethnic, comes form the greek ethnos, meaning nation and was used to define people of the same distinctive culture. Thus the broader terms of heritage, nationalism, genetic background, religion, language, customs, geography, etc are all used inter-dependently to set up the distinctiveness of the particualr ethnic group you are trying to identify.
One characteristic (ie religion) doth not an ethnic group create. it must be bound within a grouping of traits that distinquish that ethnicty from all other ethnicities. Above all, the group itself must be able to identify itself as a stand-alone ethnicity and have the awareness of their ethnicity - this is due to the need for a commonality of culture - the predominate prerequisite ofr ethnic identification.
Thus the classification of Nazi as an ethnic group stands true, when perceived within the greater German nationalism, the ethnic identification of being German was swallowed up by the common cultural identity of the Nazi’s - once the war was ended, the German people themselves have divorced their identity from that of the Nazi belief system, although removing it has not altered their ethnic identity, it has merely rearranged the descriptives by which the commonly-held cultue chooses to identify itself.
If cannot be said that practitioners of Islam have identified themselves as being of a single common culture, nationality, language, genetic background, cusotms or geoagraphy - thus all of the prerequisite groupings of traits are missing. The only commoncality is one of shared religious belief, but even this is fragmented into at least three main and a dozen minor variations. Tus it can be daid that Islam is not an ethnic identity . . .
So take your smarmy little quips, packs up your bags and head on down the road, jack. . . you done lost this one . . .[/quote]
Nice try
The concept of ethnicity is another way of thinking about human diversity. The term is neither simple nor precise but implies one or more of the following: shared origins or social background, shared culture and traditions that are distinctive, maintained between generations, and lead to a sense of identity and group and as common language or religious tradition (Senior & Bhopal, 1994).
I forgot. Why is this so important to you?
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Oh no you did not . . . I was well clear of this issue - now you done it . . .
Ethnicity defined: The term “ethnic group” as modernly defined was not brought into use until the German Sociologist Max Weber and others began using it in the early 1930’s
Ethnic, comes form the greek ethnos, meaning nation and was used to define people of the same distinctive culture. Thus the broader terms of heritage, nationalism, genetic background, religion, language, customs, geography, etc are all used inter-dependently to set up the distinctiveness of the particualr ethnic group you are trying to identify.
One characteristic (ie religion) doth not an ethnic group create. it must be bound within a grouping of traits that distinquish that ethnicty from all other ethnicities. Above all, the group itself must be able to identify itself as a stand-alone ethnicity and have the awareness of their ethnicity - this is due to the need for a commonality of culture - the predominate prerequisite ofr ethnic identification.
Thus the classification of Nazi as an ethnic group stands true, when perceived within the greater German nationalism, the ethnic identification of being German was swallowed up by the common cultural identity of the Nazi’s - once the war was ended, the German people themselves have divorced their identity from that of the Nazi belief system, although removing it has not altered their ethnic identity, it has merely rearranged the descriptives by which the commonly-held cultue chooses to identify itself.
If cannot be said that practitioners of Islam have identified themselves as being of a single common culture, nationality, language, genetic background, cusotms or geoagraphy - thus all of the prerequisite groupings of traits are missing. The only commoncality is one of shared religious belief, but even this is fragmented into at least three main and a dozen minor variations. Tus it can be daid that Islam is not an ethnic identity . . .
So take your smarmy little quips, packs up your bags and head on down the road, jack. . . you done lost this one . . .[/quote]
Nice try
The concept of ethnicity is another way of thinking about human diversity. The term is neither simple nor precise but implies one or more of the following: shared origins or social background, shared culture and traditions that are distinctive, maintained between generations, and lead to a sense of identity and group and as common language or religious tradition (Senior & Bhopal, 1994).
MEGA-FAIL - name one ethnic group describe by and only by one trait . . . .
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Oh no you did not . . . I was well clear of this issue - now you done it . . .
Ethnicity defined: The term “ethnic group” as modernly defined was not brought into use until the German Sociologist Max Weber and others began using it in the early 1930’s
Ethnic, comes form the greek ethnos, meaning nation and was used to define people of the same distinctive culture. Thus the broader terms of heritage, nationalism, genetic background, religion, language, customs, geography, etc are all used inter-dependently to set up the distinctiveness of the particualr ethnic group you are trying to identify.
One characteristic (ie religion) doth not an ethnic group create. it must be bound within a grouping of traits that distinquish that ethnicty from all other ethnicities. Above all, the group itself must be able to identify itself as a stand-alone ethnicity and have the awareness of their ethnicity - this is due to the need for a commonality of culture - the predominate prerequisite ofr ethnic identification.
Thus the classification of Nazi as an ethnic group stands true, when perceived within the greater German nationalism, the ethnic identification of being German was swallowed up by the common cultural identity of the Nazi’s - once the war was ended, the German people themselves have divorced their identity from that of the Nazi belief system, although removing it has not altered their ethnic identity, it has merely rearranged the descriptives by which the commonly-held cultue chooses to identify itself.
If cannot be said that practitioners of Islam have identified themselves as being of a single common culture, nationality, language, genetic background, cusotms or geoagraphy - thus all of the prerequisite groupings of traits are missing. The only commoncality is one of shared religious belief, but even this is fragmented into at least three main and a dozen minor variations. Tus it can be daid that Islam is not an ethnic identity . . .
So take your smarmy little quips, packs up your bags and head on down the road, jack. . . you done lost this one . . .[/quote]
Nice try
The concept of ethnicity is another way of thinking about human diversity. The term is neither simple nor precise but implies one or more of the following: shared origins or social background, shared culture and traditions that are distinctive, maintained between generations, and lead to a sense of identity and group and as common language or religious tradition (Senior & Bhopal, 1994).
MEGA-FAIL - name one ethnic group describe by and only by one trait . . . .[/quote]
So you think this guy don’t know what is talking about.
Could you at least back your claim with some sources.
joebassin
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I don’t which is more entertaining – watching this cretin in action, or watching my friends try to get through his apparently impervious wall of stupid.
Gotta say, you guys have amazing patience with this clown.[/quote]
it’s my masochistic side winning out . . .