Um, should we change the name of this thread to “What is ethnicity?”
I grew up a muslim and met a few pretty freaky, anti-western types, but for the most part people pay lip service to the political stuff and just get on with their lives.
People are inherently the same everywhere - the religion, it is true, does create a greater deal of violence in some societies than others (depends on religion)
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.[/quote]
Thats not what I say. The key word is heritage. For example, if english is your native language it’s part of your heritage but it’s not if you learn it latter in life.
Ethnicity is not that simple :
It is possible to distinguish four major approaches and a number of subapproaches, some of which cut across the major ones. They are ethnicity conceived as a primordial phenomenon, as an epiphenomenon, as a situational phenomenon, and as a purely subjective phenomenon.
http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/d2/1
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.[/quote]
Thats not what I say. The key word is heritage. For example, if english is your native language it’s part of your heritage but it’s not if you learn it latter in life.
Ethnicity is not that simple :
It is possible to distinguish four major approaches and a number of subapproaches, some of which cut across the major ones. They are ethnicity conceived as a primordial phenomenon, as an epiphenomenon, as a situational phenomenon, and as a purely subjective phenomenon.
http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/d2/1[/quote]
In the news today: People can convert to Islam.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.[/quote]
Thats not what I say. The key word is heritage. For example, if english is your native language it’s part of your heritage but it’s not if you learn it latter in life.
Ethnicity is not that simple :
It is possible to distinguish four major approaches and a number of subapproaches, some of which cut across the major ones. They are ethnicity conceived as a primordial phenomenon, as an epiphenomenon, as a situational phenomenon, and as a purely subjective phenomenon.
http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/d2/1[/quote]
In the news today: People can convert to Islam.[/quote]
Read before posting.
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.[/quote]
Thats not what I say. The key word is heritage. For example, if english is your native language it’s part of your heritage but it’s not if you learn it latter in life.
Ethnicity is not that simple :
It is possible to distinguish four major approaches and a number of subapproaches, some of which cut across the major ones. They are ethnicity conceived as a primordial phenomenon, as an epiphenomenon, as a situational phenomenon, and as a purely subjective phenomenon.
http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/d2/1[/quote]
Lemme ask again. Why is this so important to you? I’m guessing it has something to do with how you want to define racism or along those lines? What practical purpose is served by some surgically precise definition of ethnicity, heritage or race? You’ll have to forgive me I don’t view people primarily in that light.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
For fucks sake, joe. According to you, every single Christian in the world is also one ethnicity. But people that forswear it at some point somehow leave that ethnicity. Also every single person that speaks English is now one ethnicity - including people who only learn it later in life, they some how just merge into this ethnicity too eventually.
Even though I’m quite certain ethnicity isn’t something you can just come and go from.
Get a grip, mate.[/quote]
Thats not what I say. The key word is heritage. For example, if english is your native language it’s part of your heritage but it’s not if you learn it latter in life.
Ethnicity is not that simple :
It is possible to distinguish four major approaches and a number of subapproaches, some of which cut across the major ones. They are ethnicity conceived as a primordial phenomenon, as an epiphenomenon, as a situational phenomenon, and as a purely subjective phenomenon.
http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/Encyclopedia/A-Z/d2/1[/quote]
Lemme ask again. Why is this so important to you? I’m guessing it has something to do with how you want to define racism or along those lines? What practical purpose is served by some surgically precise definition of ethnicity, heritage or race? You’ll have to forgive me I don’t view people primarily in that light.[/quote]
This discussion effectively started with the purpose of defining racism. I also do not view people in that light.
The Constructivist approach to ethnicity rejects the notion of ethnicity as a basic human condition. It holds that ethnic groups are only products of human social interaction, maintained only in so far as they are maintained as valid social constructs in societies.
Which in fact I agree with.
I realise what you are saying in response to my previous post mate, and I agree it’s to do with heritage. That is, a big combination of factors that go back through generations. In my case the fact that I am a Christian or speak English does not alone create an ethnicity - with which you agree. So then why on Earth are you pushing that Islam is an ethnicity???
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
I realise what you are saying in response to my previous post mate, and I agree it’s to do with heritage. That is, a big combination of factors that go back through generations. In my case the fact that I am a Christian or speak English does not alone create an ethnicity - with which you agree. So then why on Earth are you pushing that Islam is an ethnicity???[/quote]
I’m not islam is a religion
[quote]joebassin wrote:
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
I realise what you are saying in response to my previous post mate, and I agree it’s to do with heritage. That is, a big combination of factors that go back through generations. In my case the fact that I am a Christian or speak English does not alone create an ethnicity - with which you agree. So then why on Earth are you pushing that Islam is an ethnicity???[/quote]
I’m not islam is a religion[/quote]
MAJOR NEWS FLASH: STUNNING NEW REVELATION - ISLAM IS A RELIGION, NOT AN ETHNIC GROUP!!
welcome to the club . . .
Joebinass is giving you all an epic troll lesson. I guess those French Canadians do not understand arguments. He is arguing only to argue.
Wadda fabulous policy this is:
Maybe I missed something, but I grew up under the impression that NASA was there for the advancement of scientific aerospace pursuits. Primarily American scientific aerospace pursuits.
Apparently now it’s an international self esteem workshop for Muslims. Who knew?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Wadda fabulous policy this is:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/[/quote]
…and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview
Are you kidding me?
WTF?
Seriously, WTF![/quote]
Lol…maybe if we make them feel good, they’ll stop trying to blow us up? But then again, the last thing we need is terrorist muslims in space. Instead of watching out for space debris, our astronauts will have to look out for speeding minivans and muslims riding bicycles in space, loaded with explosives. lol
I bet they call themselves Jihadonauts.
NASA announced a change in their title to NFASA
National Followers of Allah Self-Esteem Administration
Doing some study on International Relations and came across an interesting quote . . .
“Islam has bloody borders.”
From sub-sahara Africa across the globe to central Asia all along the roughly crescent shaped Islamic nations, violence is regualrly occuring between Muslims on the one hand and protestant Christians in Africa, Orthodox Serbs in Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Phillipines . . .
it is remarkably significant that Islam is at war with people from every other religious group, but none of the other religions are at war with each other . . . .
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Doing some study on International Relations and came across an interesting quote . . .
“Islam has bloody borders.”
From sub-sahara Africa across the globe to central Asia all along the roughly crescent shaped Islamic nations, violence is regualrly occuring between Muslims on the one hand and protestant Christians in Africa, Orthodox Serbs in Balkans, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Burma and Catholics in the Phillipines . . .
it is remarkably significant that Islam is at war with people from every other religious group, but none of the other religions are at war with each other . . . .[/quote]
Wow. Telling.[/quote]
I hope you aren’t really surprised…
I know a lot of you won’t but you should read a book called ‘The End of Faith’, by Sam Harris. While he does talk about Christianity in parts of the book, he also recognizes that Islam is the elephant in the room that everyone has to work around at this point in history. He compiles about 4-5 pages worth of quotes from the Qur’an telling their followers to do away with the infidels or otherwise engage in violence with them.