I train at home. There is a small private car park at the rear of the house which I use for carries. Last night I used the heavy punch bag for zerchers. What can I say? It’s a different type of pain!!!
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Doing the exact same things!
The only problem is weight modulation…
You do not get all the benefits sadly.
Farmer\s handles are harder the keep straight (both inside/out and up/down) so they require more work from the back and shoulders
Dumbbells tend to touch the legs when you walk, which makes it even easier to stabilize.
Not to mention that when you get only decently strong, you won’t find dumbbells heavy enough.
What do you think of trap bar walks? Can load heavy vs. dumbells and, at least for me, doesn’t impede walking. Only thing is grip is pretyt wide so feel very wobbly, but I guess that’s the whole piont of doing farmer walks…
Would trying to beat a time from week to week be effective to work around this? For instance if using the heaviest Dumbbells and doing 2 sets for max time/distance. Then trying to beat those times the next week? Luckily I haven’t really had problems with the bells touching my legs I was born with very broad shoulders and it has helped me 
I like them. I prefer farmers walk because they have a greater impact on postural improvement, upper back and shoulder development. But trap bar walks normally allow you to use more weight which can be an occasional overload.
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Ahhhhhhh… interesting
Hi,
You always say that glycogen depletion turn mTor down but what with the fact that the AMPk isomer from training does not interact with mTor?
I do not agree with that. Some studies might show that it has not effect but quite a few others show the opposite and excessive training volume has been shown to reduce protein synthesis (most likely via a reduction in mTor activation). And even if you were correct, I was specifically referring to what happen when glycogen stores get depleted. And AMPk active activation when glycogen depleted has been clearly shown to reduce protein synthesis.
Even though I personally do not like Lyle McDonald, I must admit that he is kinda smart and wrote a good article on this subject. I don’t want to send traffic his way for personal reasons but it will be easy to find.
LISTEN stop looking for ways to justify your excessive training behavior. If you are smart enough and look hard enough you WILL be able to justify anything. I know because for years I was able to justify my own excessive training behavior.
I do not want to justify myself, simply learn and share!
By that, we know that training is catabolic so where is the problem with deplete glycogen if we refill it right when possible?
Training itself can be catabolic (catabolic basically means “mobilizing”… so just the fact that you are breaking down stored energy and using it for fuel is, in itself, catabolic. But yeah, during training muscle breakdown can occur. BUT the goal of the session is to trigger the biological processes that triggers anabolism/growth after the session. And the amount of muscle you gain from the session is basically the difference between the amount of anabolism stimulated and catabolism suffered during the session. The less muscle breakdown/catabolism we can have during the session while having maximum anabolism stimulation, the more muscle will be built.
Because the depleted glycogen shuts down protein synthesis which would normally be stimulated by training. When you replenish the glycogen stores you might stop the negative impact but you will not have a rebound that will compensate for the decrease in stimulation from the session.
The session should act as a trigger to stimulate protein synthesis (YES training is catabolic in the short term since degradation can exceed accretion during the session, but this is quickly reversed after the session if you did things right), mostly by activating mTor. If you deplete glycogen stores during training then you might lessen or remove that “trigger” and if you missed the trigger during the session you cannot get it again until the next session.
Plus, glycogen repletion after strength training can be fairly slow since as long as adrenalin is high, glycogen repletion is slower. AND excessive muscle damage can cause local inflammation that reduces muscle insulin sensitivity and as a result makes it harder to replenish glycogen stores.
That’s one of the reasons why I prefer to use carbs pre and during the workout: to help prevent glycogen depletion so that you are less likely to end up being depleted during the session and also because you will have less replenishment (if any) to do after the session.
BTW, I removed your link since we do not really like posting gateway to other websites.
Ok, would you even take a look ?
By this you think that it’s really not interesting to work on more than 12sec of TUT? Or what? Because a factor of growth is metabolic stress and no glycogen depletion=no metabolic stress…?
That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that excessive overall volume leading to glycogen depletion can have a negative impact on growth stimulation
Even with low rep sets?
Why would a low rep set last longer than 12 seconds? People don’t realize that a REAL 12 seconds is pretty darn long. And since I don’t normally use slow tempo prescription rarely will one of my sets of 1-3 reps last longer than a TRUE 6 seconds and when I do 5 it still is around 9-10.
Now, the “logic” behind avoiding going for longer than 12 seconds is that 12 seconds or less uses mostly the phosphagens. So in theory very little glycogen will be depleted. Which is true. But at one point if you still accumulate a lot of set you will eventually have to use glycogen for energy because the phosphagens wont be as easily or fully replenished between sets.
But in my opinion, you are overthinking waaaaaayyyy too much. While understand how the body works is important to help you draw conclusions regarding how you should train, there is such a thing as paralysis by analysis. I don’t know many truly successful lifters who overthink.
Any glycogen depletion occurring during training regarding of the training modalities to get there, will have a negative impact on protein synthesis.
It was why I asked you this because for me even a set of five in powerlifting style is less than 10 second of true tension!
Maybe, but learning is what I truely enjoy, it’s more than a passion for me , really…
The better don’t think because they don’t have to…
Or they know better.
Listen I’ve been there. Nobody likes learning better than I do. And this is why I’m hard on your case. I know what it is to be in your place because I was (and to some extent I still am) in your place.
And your attitude frustrates me because I had the exact same one and I lost YEARS of training not making progress and being frustrated with my own training because of paralysis by analysis and being training addict.
I would give anything to be able to go back.
In a way I’m glad to have this passion for learning because it helped me as a coach. But it KILLED my progress as an athlete. KILLED IT.
And I’ve always been like this. When I was younger I competed in golf. I would study all the pros’ swing frame by frame, in slow motion and would change my swing every week trying to add in new elements. I would spend 10-12 hours playing and practicing EVERYDAY (18 hole in the AM, 3 hours of practice, 9 holes in the PM) and never became any good because I thought too much and did too much.
When I say that you will kill your progress, I mean it. I’ve seen it, I’ve lived it.
Those who are good aren’t necessarily good because they are naturally gifted. A friend of mine started lifting at 14 years of age. Tall guy (6’3") and super long arms. By 21 he had trouble bench pressing 225lbs… and he wanted to compete in powerlifting. YEARS later he eventually bench pressed 500lbs and deadlifted 800lbs natural. it’s funny because we would always argue… he was a guy who trained 4x a week. I would train 6x a week, twice a day and he always said I was doing too much and I would call him lazy.
Well he just kept training hard, keeping it simple, never overthinking and posted some amazing numbers.
If you think that all of those who are better than you are just more gifted or on drugs and that you need to do more training and learn more to beat them, you will make it harder for yourself.
It IS important to learn and be smart. But to a point. Worrying about every little details, stressing about it will kill your progress because it is mentally draining.
Learning is super important if your goal is to be a coach. That is a choice I made. But you have to understand that if it leads to overthinking or overanalysing your own training your progress WILL suffer. The only way to be able to combine both is almost having a split personality. If you are able to be totally unemotional about your training.
You also have to accept that science can be useful but it should ALWAYS take a back seat to real world experience.
If 100 studies prove that X will do Y BUT that 100 lifters found that in reality the opposite is true, who should you believe?
Now, what I try to do is simply learn but not always practice…
You know, maybe it’s for this that I would love being coach by someone, simply to be able to learn without feeling the need to put in practice…
But i can’t stop learning… The thing is that I don’t like to listen to 1 person… Even if I’m perfectly sure of your knowledge bad example proving the contrary always arrived at the baddest moment… Really frustated to say you this… Almost feeling shame…
Plus, without any pretention how would you explain that I’ve this level without doing the right things…
I’ not doing you do everything wrong.
I consider that I made a lot of bad choices with my training yet I was still able to achieve a 200kg/440lbs bench press, 142.5kg/315lb snatch, 220kg/484lbs front squat and 270kg/595lbs Olympic (high bar, upright torso) back squat. Not huge numbers but numbers that would still indicate that I knew how to train.
But all along I always felt tired, had aches and pains and had a very slow progression many times. I would be very strong for 4 weeks then drop for 3-4 months.
I know I could have been a lot better had I not made the mistakes I did.