http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/08/news/fighter.php?page=1
Skip to the bottom half of page 2 if you’re in a rush.
You’re an anti-Semite!!!
How dare you criticize Israel, even when they backstab us! Bow down to AIPAC!
Israel is a huge pile of shit, not only for this either. They’re just as low as the arabs, I hope they just kill each other off, morons ahve been fighting over a piece of sand for years.
[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
Israel is a huge pile of shit, not only for this either. They’re just as low as the arabs, I hope they just kill each other off, morons ahve been fighting over a piece of sand for years.[/quote]
No. Its not just sand. It’s “The MotherLand”. You Anti-Zionist, Anti-Semitist PIG. I’m going to go to the newspapers and the tv stations with this!
On a side-note. That Chinese J-10 looks an awful lot like the F-16.
gdollars,
Thanks for that informative link. That irritates me that Israeli know how is being peddled to China.
Do you have a secondary link confirming this? I thank you in advance.
However, remember that palestine is in the wrong 100%. I used to have sympathy for palestinians.
That ended abrubtly when they started targeting civilians for bombing.
Using terrorism as a goal INVALIDATES whatever cause you fight for. No matter what it is. Period.
Now, if the palestinians would renounce terrorism, stop electing terrorist organizations to head the government, STOP TERRORISM against civilians, you wouldn’t find a more sympathetic proponent than myself.
However, as long as that is their tactic/strategy and dogma, then Israel receives 100% of my support.
JeffR
The aircraft first flew in the mid-1990s and entered the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) service in 2003. About 50~70 examples are expected to have been delivered by 2006.
Source:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
What’s the problem again? Israel helped China advance their air force beyond bows and arrows? What’s it going to drop on us, besides lots and lots of chinese people, delivered with laser precision thanks to the guidance systems they got from Clinton et. al.? EVERYBODY PANIC! Let us know when they have a carrier.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
gdollars,
Using terrorism as a goal INVALIDATES whatever cause you fight for. No matter what it is. Period.
Now, if the palestinians would renounce terrorism, stop electing terrorist organizations to head the government, STOP TERRORISM against civilians, you wouldn’t find a more sympathetic proponent than myself.
However, as long as that is their tactic/strategy and dogma, then Israel receives 100% of my support.[/quote]
I completely agree with your views on terrorism. Which is why I say fuck Israel.
They are the same as the Palestinians.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/08/news/fighter.php?page=2
New immigrant: F22 stealth bomber?
World’s most advanced fighter jet currently only in US hands. After House of Representatives lifts ban on its sale, security establishment assesses jet may be offered to Israel.
China can’t wait…
Israel has sold a number of secrets in the aviation and missile fields to the Chinese.
It pisses me off.
[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
What’s the problem again?..Let us know when they have a carrier.
[/quote]
The problem is that the only fighter the U.S. has that is clearly superior is the F-22 Raptor. However, many have claimed that since the Raptor was created to fight a now non-existent enemy (the Soviet Union), it is useless and should be cut back.
Orders for the F-22 went from 750, down to only 183 now. Cost per aircraft is around 330-360 million each (this represents the cost of the entire program, R&D, etc). In other words, its not cheap by any stretch.
Now what if China decides to take back Taiwan, or invade some other Asian country? Not much could stop them.
IF the U.S. got involved, the fact that China’s military is increasingly modern means that it would be close to a fair fight, which means hefty cost, both men and machines. And it seems like most of America doesn’t have the stomach for a fight like that.
That seems a fair enough assessment, but are we arguing that they could not have developed this plane without the help of Israel, or are we just worried about other countries being less than 50 years behind the US with regard to military technology?
Anyway, we no longer have the “moral authority” to stop aggressive nations from invading non-agressive nations, do we? Maybe that changes magically when democrats get in the White House?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Israel has sold a number of secrets in the aviation and missile fields to the Chinese.
It pisses me off. [/quote]
It was only after heavy and sustained pressure that they didn’t sell their AWACS system (better than what we use) to the Chinese.
We give the Israelis several billions each year and yet trying to get them to do something they don’t want to do is like pulling teeth- think the settlements issue. We give the British nothing and they kiss our ass and say thank you. If the British are our lap dog then the Israelis are definitely our cat.
Not just Israel I heard Pakistan was doing it too.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gdollars,
Using terrorism as a goal INVALIDATES whatever cause you fight for. No matter what it is. Period.
Now, if the palestinians would renounce terrorism, stop electing terrorist organizations to head the government, STOP TERRORISM against civilians, you wouldn’t find a more sympathetic proponent than myself.
However, as long as that is their tactic/strategy and dogma, then Israel receives 100% of my support.
I completely agree with your views on terrorism. Which is why I say fuck Israel.
They are the same as the Palestinians.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0401-04.htm
[/quote]
bruce,
Thanks for posting. However, those links suck. They make accusations without specifics.
Please let me know when you can find Israeli leaders openly calling for bombing marriage ceremonies. Further, let me know when said homicidal bombers’ families are rewarded $25,000 for each individual act.
Think of it this way, if the Israeli’s wanted to remove palestine, they could. They could kill everyone in the blink of an eye.
DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THE palestinian leadership would hesitate if they had said power?
There is the difference.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
gdollars,
Thanks for that informative link. That irritates me that Israeli know how is being peddled to China.
Do you have a secondary link confirming this? I thank you in advance.
However, remember that palestine is in the wrong 100%. I used to have sympathy for palestinians.
That ended abrubtly when they started targeting civilians for bombing.
Using terrorism as a goal INVALIDATES whatever cause you fight for. No matter what it is. Period.
Now, if the palestinians would renounce terrorism, stop electing terrorist organizations to head the government, STOP TERRORISM against civilians, you wouldn’t find a more sympathetic proponent than myself.
However, as long as that is their tactic/strategy and dogma, then Israel receives 100% of my support.
JeffR[/quote]
I hate to bring it to you Effr0 but America was conquered on the Indians through terrorism. And terrorists stole it from Great Britain.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gdollars,
Using terrorism as a goal INVALIDATES whatever cause you fight for. No matter what it is. Period.
Now, if the palestinians would renounce terrorism, stop electing terrorist organizations to head the government, STOP TERRORISM against civilians, you wouldn’t find a more sympathetic proponent than myself.
However, as long as that is their tactic/strategy and dogma, then Israel receives 100% of my support.
I completely agree with your views on terrorism. Which is why I say fuck Israel.
They are the same as the Palestinians.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0401-04.htm
bruce,
Thanks for posting. However, those links suck. They make accusations without specifics.
Please let me know when you can find Israeli leaders openly calling for bombing marriage ceremonies. Further, let me know when said homicidal bombers’ families are rewarded $25,000 for each individual act.
Think of it this way, if the Israeli’s wanted to remove palestine, they could. They could kill everyone in the blink of an eye.
DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THE palestinian leadership would hesitate if they had said power?
There is the difference.
JeffR
[/quote]
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ? ? ? THEY HAVE WMD’S ? ? ?
THEY SHOULD BE INVADED ASAP ! ! !
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ? ? ? THEY HAVE WMD’S ? ? ?
THEY SHOULD BE INVADED ASAP ! ! !
[/quote]
Holy shit!
This is just as good as the intelligence Bush used to invade Iraq. Quickly, give him a call and present this evidence.
Other supposed allies…
The Europeans Win Some
February 14, 2007: Strategypage.com
European opposition to American efforts in Iraq is expressed in many little ways. For example, American transports flying badly wounded U.S. troops back to the United States, often ask European air controllers for a more direct flight path through European air space.
This is in order to get the wounded soldier or marine to the American hospital more quickly. This is particularly useful when the aircraft have been turned into a flying ECU (Emergency Care Unit), and doctors are actually treating the seriously wounded in flight.
The European air controllers rarely allow the direct flight. It would mean some more work for them, but saying “no” is another way to stick it to those bastards who removed Saddam Hussein from power, and continue to fight Iraqis who want to destroy democracy in Iraq.
When the American medical flight reaches American air space, air controllers are quick to give the transports the shortest possible route to its destination. Some of these medical flights are non-stop from Iraq to Texas, where there are several major military hospitals.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Other supposed allies…
The Europeans Win Some
The European air controllers rarely allow the direct flight. It would mean some more work for them, but saying “no” is another way to stick it to those bastards who removed Saddam Hussein from power, and continue to fight Iraqis who want to destroy democracy in Iraq. [/quote}
Wow, sounds like we’re dealing with some seriously mature folks here. That’s the type of behavior I would expect out of my 3 year old.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Other supposed allies…
The Europeans Win Some
February 14, 2007: Strategypage.com
European opposition to American efforts in Iraq is expressed in many little ways. For example, American transports flying badly wounded U.S. troops back to the United States, often ask European air controllers for a more direct flight path through European air space.
This is in order to get the wounded soldier or marine to the American hospital more quickly. This is particularly useful when the aircraft have been turned into a flying ECU (Emergency Care Unit), and doctors are actually treating the seriously wounded in flight.
The European air controllers rarely allow the direct flight. It would mean some more work for them, but saying “no” is another way to stick it to those bastards who removed Saddam Hussein from power, and continue to fight Iraqis who want to destroy democracy in Iraq.
When the American medical flight reaches American air space, air controllers are quick to give the transports the shortest possible route to its destination. Some of these medical flights are non-stop from Iraq to Texas, where there are several major military hospitals. [/quote]
Hedo/Cunn:
This goes beyond being petty and small. These are our wounded.
These euro-weenies need a visit and some attitude readjustment.
I can just see them sitting in the corner with orion and reckless giggling at their “cleverness.”
JeffR