[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
I love how the liberal left pretends to ‘honor’ the service of our men in the field, but they are quick to air anything that will enable them to react with outrage and cry torture!
Aren’t you the guy who was saying how everyone making under $80,000 is a poor piece of shit and probably a disgusting criminal?
And of course, being hyper-intelligent, I’m sure you would realize that the majority of military service members make under $80,000?[/quote]
I didn’t say any of that. But I have respect the mental gymnastics that you went through to try and take a jab at me. It’s pretty nonsensical and inane. But…at least you tried. Nice work here.
Not to say that we dont need to set a good example for the people and especially the kids (because thats where it all starts), But watch this video and Feel bad for the Iraqi’s
Being in the military and seeing these types of video plus many more that I am positive civilians have not been able to see, have made me care less and less. Most of the video’s I have seen that many of you have not seen, will notice that when most of the IED’s go off there are barely any people (civilians) around but troops. To the point where insurgents have cleared entire blocks a head of time just so our guys would get hit. The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.
I didn’t say any of that. But I have respect the mental gymnastics that you went through to try and take a jab at me. It’s pretty nonsensical and inane. But…at least you tried. Nice work here.[/quote]
Well, you made the implication in that thread more than once than anyone making less than $80,000 a year (that was the figure, wasn’t it?) was essentially an unkempt thug. The majority of military personnel and police officers make under that threshold. I’m just wondering how you qualify that statement when the group you refer to negatively consists of people you apparently support.
[quote]Mr ian wrote:
… The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.[/quote]
I used to think that people were people and they would flourish under democracy and freedom in Iraq.
More and more it appears that they would rather kill each other.
The ones that don’t want to kill each other are too scared to help stop the killing.
Bad situation. I think you are right not to judge the guys in this video too harshly. They may be acting like dicks but who knows what horrible things they have been exposed to.
We used to throw the small instant coffee packets from our MREs to kids in Somalia. They would think it was candy and would eat it. The look on thier faces was priceless.
We would throw water bottles into a crowd and watch the kids fight over them.
My Gunny caught us doing that stuff and he corrected us swiftly and with great vengence.
It was all in all a pretty f*cked up thing to do. We never had enough stuff to give to every kid, and most of the time the older kids would wait off to the side and kick the crap out of the little ones as soon as we were leaving.
I’m not too proud of doing that stuff, but at the time we didn’t give much thought to the idea of winning hearts and minds.
We were pretty damn tired of getting rocks thrown at us and getting sniped at, so it seemed perfectly reasonable to screw with the kids. That doesn’t make it right, but I understand the mindset these soldiers are in.
These guys in Iraq are facing much worse than we did in Mogadishu. As an officer now, I would be administering a swift kick in the ass to these guys for screwing with the kids. Sometimes we are doomed to learn the same lessons over and over again.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr ian wrote:
… The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.
I used to think that people were people and they would flourish under democracy and freedom in Iraq.
More and more it appears that they would rather kill each other.
The ones that don’t want to kill each other are too scared to help stop the killing.
Bad situation. I think you are right not to judge the guys in this video too harshly. They may be acting like dicks but who knows what horrible things they have been exposed to.
[/quote]
If they are so fucked up in the head then they should be told to go home. We all know the situations over there are as shitty as can be but these guys in the video were complete dicks for what they did.
Now these kids were dicked around by our soldiers and laughed at. They were made a joke. I wonder what their disposition towards our soldiers will be now.
If the situation is so terrible over there, we know it is, then how do they have time to play shitty games with children like that?
If they are so fucked up in the head then they should be told to go home. We all know the situations over there are as shitty as can be but these guys in the video were complete dicks for what they did.
Now these kids were dicked around by our soldiers and laughed at. They were made a joke. I wonder what their disposition towards our soldiers will be now.
If the situation is so terrible over there, we know it is, then how do they have time to play shitty games with children like that?[/quote]
I dont think sending them home for teasing (all be it in a rather cruel manner) kids is a very sensible option. I would imagine they need all the troops they can get.
BH6 made a vert sensible post…but the guys on here trying to outright defend the soliders actions and put a positive spin on it are being ridiculous IMO. What they did was perhaps understandable but wrong full stop.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Bushitler SENT these mean, mis-treating bastard sons-a-bitches to Iraq to torture those kids! That was torture! Pure and simple. That vehicle was Guantanamo on wheels as far as I’m concerned.
I guess Bill Maher was right all along! There is damned good reason for them to hate us…and kill us. We tease their kids. He made that kid run. Made him run. For water. Sure. Sure. Those soldiers might get killed by roadside bomb next week. But that’s nothing compared to what they put those poor, poor, peace-loving Iraqi kids through.
Bush lied, kids died! No blood for oil!
I hope Michael Moore does an expose on those servicemen.
I love how the liberal left pretends to ‘honor’ the service of our men in the field, but they are quick to air anything that will enable them to react with outrage and cry torture![/quote]
Dude, chill. You do realize that you marginalize yourself when you act like this right? You hurt your cause because guys that support you (like me in many cases) get lumped into the angry raving guy niche you seem to be in. Either that or guys that support you turn away.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
That’s just wrong. While it may seem innocent to the soldiers, those kids will always remember that.
That kid can run though, huh?
DB
You can’t toss out water to everyone. Anyone that has actually been in that situation knows that this isn’t that big of a deal. If I only had one water bottle or candy bar to give out, it’s going to the kid that wants it the most. It is quite understandable though that it looks bad to you guys. Besides, are we missing the worst part of this thing? Those kids on the side jumping on it before the running kid got it really really sucks.
mike
There’s a right way to conduct business and a wrong way. This way was not right. Don’t try to spin it by saying they gave it to the kid that wanted it most. If that were the case, why didn’t they drop it several hundred yards back after the other kids dropped out? There’s no way to defend the way they handled this, in my mind.
DB[/quote]
I agree it isn’t the ideal way to handle it. I cracked down on it with my squad when I was there. All things considered though, I’m just saying that it just makes them stupid assholes, but it isn’t that big of a deal. I doubt that kid is going to go pick up an AK and start shooting people over it.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
We used to throw the small instant coffee packets from our MREs to kids in Somalia. They would think it was candy and would eat it. The look on thier faces was priceless.
We would throw water bottles into a crowd and watch the kids fight over them.
My Gunny caught us doing that stuff and he corrected us swiftly and with great vengence.
It was all in all a pretty f*cked up thing to do. We never had enough stuff to give to every kid, and most of the time the older kids would wait off to the side and kick the crap out of the little ones as soon as we were leaving.
I’m not too proud of doing that stuff, but at the time we didn’t give much thought to the idea of winning hearts and minds.
We were pretty damn tired of getting rocks thrown at us and getting sniped at, so it seemed perfectly reasonable to screw with the kids. That doesn’t make it right, but I understand the mindset these soldiers are in.
These guys in Iraq are facing much worse than we did in Mogadishu. As an officer now, I would be administering a swift kick in the ass to these guys for screwing with the kids. Sometimes we are doomed to learn the same lessons over and over again. [/quote]
Couldn’t have said it better myself. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. We used to give the kids our mini tabasco bottle when I was in PI for OEF and tell them it was candy. It was all in good fun though. We’d buy the kids a coke afterwards. We used to teach them how to cuss too. I remember these two kids chasing each other on bikes. One of them crashed, looked at us and his eyes lit up when he realized that this was a great time to yell, “SON OF A BITCH!”
The fact is that Marines, particularly grunts, belong storming beachheads or assaulting hills, not standing guard duty or running convoys. This has nothing to do with the rigors of combat. Rather it is the rigors of NOT having combat. If you think what these guys did to the kid was bad then you should see what we do to each other!
The fact remains though that this wasn’t really kosher and the proper solution is for the guy’s sergeant to go out and smoke-check him behind the shed when they get back to base. Unfortunately, thanks to our kinder, softer and highly pussified military, that kind of thing is considered hazing.
[quote]PGA wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr ian wrote:
… The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.
I used to think that people were people and they would flourish under democracy and freedom in Iraq.
More and more it appears that they would rather kill each other.
The ones that don’t want to kill each other are too scared to help stop the killing.
Bad situation. I think you are right not to judge the guys in this video too harshly. They may be acting like dicks but who knows what horrible things they have been exposed to.
If they are so fucked up in the head then they should be told to go home. We all know the situations over there are as shitty as can be but these guys in the video were complete dicks for what they did.
Now these kids were dicked around by our soldiers and laughed at. They were made a joke. I wonder what their disposition towards our soldiers will be now.
If the situation is so terrible over there, we know it is, then how do they have time to play shitty games with children like that?[/quote]
you got all the answers first you should go be acop in nyc and then get your ass in the millitary and go to iraq
[quote]PGA wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr ian wrote:
… The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.
I used to think that people were people and they would flourish under democracy and freedom in Iraq.
More and more it appears that they would rather kill each other.
The ones that don’t want to kill each other are too scared to help stop the killing.
Bad situation. I think you are right not to judge the guys in this video too harshly. They may be acting like dicks but who knows what horrible things they have been exposed to.
If they are so fucked up in the head then they should be told to go home. We all know the situations over there are as shitty as can be but these guys in the video were complete dicks for what they did.
Now these kids were dicked around by our soldiers and laughed at. They were made a joke. I wonder what their disposition towards our soldiers will be now.
If the situation is so terrible over there, we know it is, then how do they have time to play shitty games with children like that?[/quote]
Yeah lets send them home for teasing kids with a water bottle. Why do you hate America so bad? I know you must have never served your country PGA, but I must tell you that your argument is ridiculous. I tease my nephew everyday worse than that, he thinks it is funny. It didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings. The kids probably got a kick out of it.
The mistake these soldiers made was not paying attention to their surroundings and that could put others in danger. If you think you can do better, join our military, we need quality individuals like yourself to make this world better. I went to that country to help and I did, only to come back here to hear people like you whine and complain about our military. You don’t know what sacrifice is. You don’t know what it is like to patrol Iraq and fight FOR people that hate you and loose brothers to liberating a mostly ungrateful nation. YOU ARE THE DISGRACE! THOSE MEN WILL BE LUCKY TO SEE THEIR FAMILIES AFTER THEIR TOUR, IF THEY MAKE IT. WHY DON’T YOU CUT THEM A LITTLE SLACK. A-HOLE
The actions of these soldiers cannot be defended. They joined the military. So what? That makes them better than everyone else and causes their actions to be excusable? How are they serving their country by turning the feelings of some children against us?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
The fact remains though that this wasn’t really kosher and the proper solution is for the guy’s sergeant to go out and smoke-check him behind the shed when they get back to base. Unfortunately, thanks to our kinder, softer and highly pussified military, that kind of thing is considered hazing.
mike[/quote]
I think we knocked the balls off of the NCO ranks sometime between 1995-1999. A legacy of the Krulack years, but that is a discussion for another time. Good post, the Son of a Bitch story is pretty funny.
One quick sea story and I will go. There was a kid that used to hang out by the Italian Marine’s compound with a Rocky II t-shirt. He used to give us the thumbs up and call us Rambo. We would give him all the candy we had, just for wearing a kick-ass shirt. We learned later that candy is the last thing you want to give to a famine victim. We meant well, but we probably made that little guy pretty sick.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
We used to throw the small instant coffee packets from our MREs to kids in Somalia. They would think it was candy and would eat it. The look on thier faces was priceless.
We would throw water bottles into a crowd and watch the kids fight over them.
My Gunny caught us doing that stuff and he corrected us swiftly and with great vengence.
It was all in all a pretty f*cked up thing to do. We never had enough stuff to give to every kid, and most of the time the older kids would wait off to the side and kick the crap out of the little ones as soon as we were leaving.
I’m not too proud of doing that stuff, but at the time we didn’t give much thought to the idea of winning hearts and minds.
We were pretty damn tired of getting rocks thrown at us and getting sniped at, so it seemed perfectly reasonable to screw with the kids. That doesn’t make it right, but I understand the mindset these soldiers are in.
These guys in Iraq are facing much worse than we did in Mogadishu. As an officer now, I would be administering a swift kick in the ass to these guys for screwing with the kids. Sometimes we are doomed to learn the same lessons over and over again. [/quote]
I’m glad you shared this, BH6. What these soldiers did was immature, but a lot of people forget that our boys fighting over there are just that, BOYS. 18, 19 and 20 year olds.
I’m glad your Gunny reprimanded you for your actions. It obviously made you think about your actions and you learned from it. Let’s hope the soldiers in this video are made aware also.
[quote]PGA wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr ian wrote:
… The civilians of Iraq are in on it too. That whole area is taught from birth to hate. Like I said, We need to set a good example for the people who do want to do better, but you dont know what its like for our boys to be over there, and have to see/do the shit that they have to.
I used to think that people were people and they would flourish under democracy and freedom in Iraq.
More and more it appears that they would rather kill each other.
The ones that don’t want to kill each other are too scared to help stop the killing.
Bad situation. I think you are right not to judge the guys in this video too harshly. They may be acting like dicks but who knows what horrible things they have been exposed to.
If they are so fucked up in the head then they should be told to go home. We all know the situations over there are as shitty as can be but these guys in the video were complete dicks for what they did.
Now these kids were dicked around by our soldiers and laughed at. They were made a joke. I wonder what their disposition towards our soldiers will be now.
If the situation is so terrible over there, we know it is, then how do they have time to play shitty games with children like that?[/quote]
I like a majority of what you post but there are things that bother me. I know you don’t typically care what anyone thinks about you, but I think alot of times you tend to have an opinion on things that you don’t know much about. Along with your constant cop bashing I’m gonna say military deployments are something else you have no experience with.
Have you ever once posted a positive thread in reference to all the lives police officers save or all the good soldiers/marines/seaman/airman do?
PGA- Not to fight with you but there are a lot of things about the military you could never understand unless you served. As some have mentioned; A lot of our service members are kids right out of high school, most likely chose the military for a better life, or because they couldn?t afford nor had interest in going to college.
Its not that they are fucked up, but many have no real life experience as well as are being asked to do something they were never trained nor know how to do. In my MOS I wasn?t trained how to rebuild a country that is based on hate. I want trained how to tell if that dead animal in the road is really an IED. Even as a NCO, I can not watch these kids every second, my main purpose is to keep my team tight, and alive, and try to set the best example I can.
Also with the country being so desperate for troops and not wanting to have a draft, there has been a MAJOR lack of quality in standards with our military personnel in the past few years. So, its wrong for what they are doing, but you could never understand what these troops are going through.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
Have you ever once posted a positive thread in reference to all the lives police officers save or all the good soldiers/marines/seaman/airman do?[/quote]
I just recently posted a thread about a soldier comforting a wounded child.
So in addition to hating cops I hate America too…This is getting better by the moment.
P.S. Not saying you did just combining posts.
To the person that said he teases his nephue like that…Give me a frigging break. Comparing your nephew to a kid in a war ravaged country who is relying on our service men and women to save his country, sees people die on a daily basis. A little rational though goes a long way…