[quote]orion wrote:
Alpha characteristics
Posted by xsplat on October 11, 2012
There is no such ?thing? as a human alpha.
But a term was needed to encompass the set of traits that are attractive to women, and it is now convention to use the term alpha within the context of seduction to describe that set. In other contexts instead of talking about being a lady?s man, people use it to describe a man?s man. A virtuous leader of men. In other contexts it?s the top leader of a troup of animals that gets most of the pussy. Or whatever gorillas call their gorilla poontang. It?s just a term, not a thing, so as long as we are clear on the context, we can know which set of traits we are describing.
Here are some alpha traits:
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The guy has slept around, and has experience with women. In the Roissy definition of alpha, the man is the guy who COULD sleep around, because women offer themselves to him, but he doesn?t necessarily follow through. Maybe. Not all alphas will have all alpha traits. This trait is alpha, as it dramatically changes the mans personality and approach to women and to life. The man not only can, but has fucked and fuck buddied and flinged and romanced with dozens and dozens of women. He?ll have been heart broken and broken hearts, been played and played the players. Many of the girls will have fallen in love, given him marriage proposals, and remained smitten for years after he left. There may be many ?oops? pregnancies in there, as the girls ?forgot? to be careful.
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Closely related to number 1. The man no longer thinks of the women?s feelings first. He is capable of causing heartbreak knowingly. He no longer feels duty bound to protect the womans feelings at the expense of his own interests.
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The bulk of all alpha attitudes flows out from number 2. The man has made a dramatic life shift in empasis, towards selfishness. Paradoxically this is attractive, and he starts to become conscious of this. Treat em mean to keep em keen is a phrase he?ll share with his buddies.
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Grows out from number 3. He becomes commanding, and gives direct orders to his women. ?Give me the remote.? He makes little allowance for what the girl wants to watch.
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He is confident that he can compete in the sexual marketplace. He may not be the best his girl has ever had, but he knows he?s up there in the top 10%, and will remain in that to 10% no matter who she dates in the future. Again, this trait is not common to all alphas, but it is an alpha trait. The sexual confidence translates directly into authoritative command over his women.
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He isn?t playing alpha games. If he wants closeness and sensitivity, he?ll have closeness and sensitivity. If it?s an intimate moment he won?t shy away from intimacy. He can say ?I love you? and mean it. However his form of poetry will have constraints in meter and rhyme, and he?ll have an embodied feeling for never saying ?I love you? more than 1/3rd as many times as the girl does. He?ll know that less is more when it comes to giving appreciation and validation. So when he gives it, it?s felt fresh by the girl as a real gift. He may compliment every good meal and call her a good girl, but the girl will know it?s appreciation backed by a true value judgment. Sometimes he?ll say the food sucks.
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Enjoyment and expertise in subjects within at least two of these categories:
a) Sports. Two bonus points if the sport is a marital art, one bonus point if it?s dangerous.
b) Music: collecting < playing < composing and playing publicly
c) Something intellectually competitive and for which recognition is given, such as skill at writing, philosophical debate, or some business skills.
d) Contemplative and meditative arts, especially when it gives some recognition within a community of peers, but also as it applies to the profundity of your presence.
e) Social discourse, which could be through public speaking, acting, bartending, keeping a group at a table spellbound with your conversation while making them feel as participants, or chatting up strangers.
f) Dance
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And then there are the structural alpha traits. Worldly command, where you have social, financial, political, and other real world powers. This could come from being a DJ or a religious orator who is up in front of crowd moving their emotions. Or it could come from the economic clout of being able to buy things and influence people. It is an elite level of control of the people and things in your environment.
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Another structural alpha trait is how physically attractive the man is. Height, facial handsomeness, style, grooming, and fitness come into play. As does plain muscular bulk ? especially lean bulk.
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Another structural alpha trait is penis size. Some take the attitude that this there is nothing that can be done about it anyway and so push it out of awareness. Others who desire more competitive equipment put in regular time and effort through jelqing to gain an inch. There is a sweet spot that varies for each woman. Someone remind me of the link to the penis size sweet spot chart ? it?s somewhere on penissizedebate.com. As I recall according to that chart the sweet spot begins somewhere around 7 inches and ends somewhere around 9, and very few men score a bullseye into the center of the sweet spot. Smaller tighter girls, like Asians, will have lower sweet spot numbers.
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Be from somewhere else. Girls find it exotic and intriguing if you are from out of town. It not only shows that you have some daring to travel and live elsewhere, but her gene pool craves fresh genes.
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Comic ability. People laugh at their bosses jokes much more than their underlings jokes. Making people laugh is both a sign of status and a cause of it.
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Pre-selection. If you have number 1, then you?ll get some pre-selection from ex girlfriends who remain peripherally in your life, but you can also get it from flirting with the waitress or from pictures on your cell phone and hard drive. If you are still dating then girls will ?accidentally? place hairs and hair clips and earrings and toothbrushes strategically throughout your pad. Don?t be in a hurry to hide all evidence.
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? I?m going to come back to this post after the readers add some other traits. Hidden readers who haven?t commented yet, don?t be shy ? I know you?re out there.
Interesting take on this alpha conundrum. [/quote]
You see, this is where this whole thing stops seeming practical to me. For some timid, socially awkward guy to try to memorize this list (which I don’t necessarily agree with in it’s entirety) and then attempt mimic these behaviours is kind of ridiculous to me.
The guy is going to completely lack any freedom and spontaneity because he’s constantly going to be running in mental circles checking and rechecking his list to make sure he’s acting “alpha” enough. He’s going to overthink all of his social interactions, especially those with women. He can’t possibly “not care” (poor choice of words IMO) because in order for him to go to the trouble to seek out, memorize and then try to enact this list in the first place, he would need to care very much indeed. It’s a catch-22.
I actually prefer the Greek alphabet list in the Game thread because it seems more geared attempting to understand the dynamics of interpersonal hierarchies and where we might fit into them. Whether it’s entirely accurate is another question. It’s the apparent intent that I’m commenting on. If you are a “delta” (as the author theorizes that most guys are) maybe you would be happier and further ahead to develop yourself in those areas instead of struggling incessantly to be more artificially alpha. Round pegs, square holes and all.
I am still firmly of the opinion that discovering and developing your own competencies and interests, overcoming your weaknesses and insecurities, failing, succeeding and passionately and relentlessly pursuing your life’s goals and generally trying to bring more the the table each day is really The Game (the one that matters anyway). I believe that all of us would benefit from cultivating a healthy sense of detachment from external judgments and events. However I believe few, if any of us will get anywhere simply pretending not to care. A genuine sense of freedom, inquiry and adventure will allow us to find our natural place in the world and our relationships with others.
It is not necessarily inherently more desirable to be truly alpha, in the way that I think of it. It’s simply a way that some people are. It has it’s benefits but it has it’s price. That price is most heavily exacted in the form of responsibility and aloneness. Leaders have many supplicants and admirers, but few real friends. I would submit that if a delta guy learned to mimic alpha behaviour effectively enough that he actually found himself in an alpha role in professional and social situations he would likely not really enjoy it, deep down. He would be constantly in conflict with his inner nature. Command has its benefits, but it’s also a potentially terrible burden that is more easily and comfortably borne by one with the deeper psychological makeup to support it. No list from this or that blog will ever create that. If he’s just looking to get laid, well maybe. However, a guy who understands himself and his place in the world in a real, visceral way and acts spontaneously, in alignment with that will tend to get laid, with the added benefit of, well, understanding himself and his place in the world and being happy and stuff.
Is it possible to begin by adopting a set of personality traits that you deem to be desirable with the hope that acting that way will result in becoming that way? I guess maybe. If it works for some guys, great. It just seems bassackwards to me.