[quote]baugust wrote:
[quote]emskee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]emskee wrote:
Next Wednesday I get officially weighed in and calipered for percent body fat. This, along with height shall be sent to my “case worker” who will deem that I am still obese and need to weigh between 158 and 177 if I don’t want to pay a fat man penalty on my health insurance next year. They may let me pass if I am under 27% BF but they don’t have to since my BMI is like 32 (she tells me). I have a near elite deadlift. Maybe I am muscular?
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Impossible. The weight of muscular humans is still an anomaly unknown to modern medicine. According to government science you’re just fat as hell I guess sorry.[/quote]
You gotta love BMI…[/quote]
One should imagine that medical personnel, making health decisions are capable of properly understanding statistics. I guess doctors and nurses are not required to pass advanced math or physics.
By the same reasoning, a male professor at an all girl’s school is a female because on the average (maximally likely), a person randomly selected from that school would be a female.
Carry on Marine.
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Doctors and nurses aren’t required to pass advanced math or physics because those classes aren’t typically required or a part of their curriculum (at least at the graduate level). And I wouldn’t consider any undergraduate work in either field to be advanced, so any classes taken before medical or graduate school shouldn’t count. Regardless, at the graduate level (not medical school), we (at my institution) are required to take biostatistics (currently enrolled), and I think it’s extremely beneficial.
You also said, “I note that medicine, and other fields are unaware of how statistics work…” I’m not sure I agree! Is your case manager a Ph.D., or M.D.? Probably not. Even if she were, she doesn’t decide the rules, and she’s probably reading from a script anyway! (You may say that the medical director is a M.D., and I’m sure he is, but in this situation he is more of a “boss” involved in the business side than a practicing doctor). At the end of the day, it’s the people at the top that want $$$$ that decide the rules, regardless of how accurate they are (and typically they are not).
And… to play devil’s advocate, isn’t the medical director technically correct, at least to a certain degree? He may be right that at your weight, regardless of what you can pull, it isn’t healthy, and therefore that makes you “at risk” and costs them more money. I do not agree with the assessment based on BMI for athletes (they should use body composition and other health markers), but for the general population it typically does work (higher BMI associated, statistically, with diseases, mortality, etc.). You know what would be really ironic? If you send them that deadlift video and they say, “wow, that’s extremely dangerous, we’re going to double your premium!” 
ANYWAY, shouldn’t your deadlift goal be 650 or so? Given the ease of the 575 pull, I think you could already pull 600+.
Great log, my friend. Keep inspiring. [/quote]
Not dogging my case manager, she is an RN, but I am concerned when those who set the pace use macro statistics to model the sample.
To my point, I had a doctor, a premier neurologist, who said to me “you have all the symptoms of thoracic outlet syndrome, but it is very rare so I’m going to say that you don’t have it.” It is rare within the general population, not rare amongst those who have “all the symptoms.” Anyway, had further diagnostics and did indeed have an injury at the thoracic outlet.
I’m a researcher engineer and myself and others have similar stories from the MD world. Now Osteopaths, those people have a better oriented, more holistic view of the patient-ry. I will call out the MDs on this one.
And yes this is about money. Extra premiums are always appreciated.
OH MY GOD, that would actually make me laugh if I got pinged on heavy lifting as a life hazard. I’d deserve that one!
Maybe I should change the title to “Double Weight DL Before I Die”?
