I’m not going to insist on anything. I’m just in no way tied to either occurrence as part of my self worth like you are with the baker, so I’m able to view them objectively.
Baker believes being gay is wrong, as such refused to service the customer. Business owner believes spinning Trump lies for a living is wrong, as such refused to service her.
That’s cute. Not only was I not ranting, but the ONLY non financial sector non work related media I consume comes from tnation forums.
But thanks for tossing out a label while at the same time accusing someone of being brainwashed. Really makes sense
And that’s the problem. It makes perfect sense to only support candidates with a shot at winning. But you can’t say you don’t directly support and encourage tribalism while at the same time sending tribalistic leaders into office.
You can not LIKE tribalism, but you 100% support and encourage it. As did basically everyone that voted in 2016
This reasoning of yours is dangerously close to being the ‘taxicab fallacy’. You have to drill down a bit further to see the difference. The cake thing was a request for the baker to make a custom item, using her talents to create something that did not previously exist, to make her do something with something she did not agree.
Sanders went to a restaurant to order something off a menu. She was not asking anybody to create something specifically for her that would not be agreeable to the staff or the restaurant,
Had she requested that they spell ‘Trump’ with french fries, then the situation would be more similar. But she merely showed up and was thrown out because they did not like her and for no other reason.
I have. You referred to “throwing people out of movies or restaurants simply because they are affiliated with a tribe.” But Sanders wasn’t asked to leave because of her ‘tribe;’ rather, it was because she works for (and therefore aids/abets) Trump. Big difference.
In no way is it “splitting hairs.” Note that the rest of Sanders’ party–at least some of whom were Republicans, presumably–were welcome to stay. The restaurant owner was refusing to serve Sarah Sanders, not Republicans. No ‘tribal’ issues involved.
I have no problem acknowledging at a micro level the baker and Sarah being booted are not the exact same. I just don’t think those differences constitute a difference in action/opinion.
The difference being, of course, that you have reverance and respect for religious matters. That does not apply to me, even a little. That’s why I’m able to be objective.
2 people were denied service because of the personal beliefs of the owner. It’s not all that complicated. You’re the one splitting hairs acting like the reason for the denial is the most important factor
I’m not sure that’s correct. I understood the entire party was asked to leave.
Further, when Sanders went home, the rest of the party went to the restaurant next door, whereupon the harassers followed them and forced them to leave this second restaurant.
Moreover, the remaining people in the group were actually Democrats, and family friends of Sanders, which they tried to explain, but were chased out simply due to association.
But, hey, two can play. I employ hundreds of people. I suppose I could just fire everyone who is a registered Democrat.
Dirty little secret about DC that people who respond with outrage to facebook memes don’t want to believe:
Both sides of the aisle have friendly working relationships. The vast majority of vitriol is demonstrated by blind partisans and sensationalized by the media for clicks!
"All the same, [the restaurant’s owner] was tense as she walked up to the press secretary’s chair.
“I said, ‘I’m the owner,’ ” she recalled, ” ‘I’d like you to come out to the patio with me for a word.’ ”
They stepped outside, into another small enclosure, but at least out of the crowded restaurant.
“I was babbling a little, but I got my point across in a polite and direct fashion,” Wilkinson said. “I explained that the restaurant has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation.
“I said, ‘I’d like to ask you to leave.’ ”
Wilkinson didn’t know how Sanders would react, or whether Trump’s chief spokeswoman had been called out in a restaurant before — as the president’s homeland security secretary had been days earlier.
Sanders went back to the table, picked up her things and walked out. The others at her table had been welcome to stay, Wilkinson said. But they didn’t, so the servers cleared away the cheese plates and glasses.
“They offered to pay,” Wilkinson said. “I said, ‘No. It’s on the house.’ ”
There were no “harassers.” The restaurant’s owner simply asked Sanders, and Sanders alone, to leave. From the link above:
“For all the angst that evening, Wilkinson said, everything had taken place with decorum. She had been polite; Sanders had been polite; the press secretary’s family had been polite as they followed her out the door.”
As for ‘harassers,’ perhaps you are mixing the Sanders’ incident for the one involving the DHS Sec (who was harassed while eating).
I doubt very much that everyone else in the party was a Democrat. At any rate, as indicated above, none of them were “chased out.”
“According to Mr. Huckabee the owner of the Red Hen restaurant not only kicked out Sarah Sanders and her in-laws, but she followed them to another restaurant, organized a group of people to assist her efforts, and then led the mob in continued harassment of the Sanders family.”
“Once Sarah and her family left – and of course Sarah was asked to please vacate, Sarah and her husband just went home. They had sort of had enough. But the rest of her family went across the street to a different restaurant,” Huckabee said on “The Laura Ingraham Show.” “The owner of the Red Hen – nobody’s told this – then followed them across the street, called people and organized a protest yelling and screaming at them from outside the other restaurant and creating this scene.”
This appears to be a false story pinging rapidly within the right-wing echo chamber.
But don’t take my word for it: Just read what Sanders herself said. Here is her tweet about the incident. If the post-Red Hen harassment actually happened, why didn’t Sanders tweet about it? Surely if the restaurant’s owner had followed and harassed her family she would have mentioned it.
Yes, because a tweet leaves so much room to be verbose. I suppose one could read the British papers and see what the restaurant staff member said:
“Staff member Jaike Foley-Schultz took to Facebook to recall the encounter where he told Sanders he could only serve her for two minutes. ‘I just served Sarah Huckabee Sanders for a total of 2 minutes before my owner kicked her out along with 7 of her other family members,’ he posted on Facebook.”
Well, I’m fairly certain the twitter machine would have allowed her to post a second one if needed. Again, it just strains credulity that she wouldn’t mention such a deplorable act. Either way, I suppose the truth will come out soon enough.
(The WaPo article touched upon her employee’s FB post.)
Of course she has? In her explanation of the events that differ from his?
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I just feel like I would need to see more evidence of it other than the millionaire who claims he regularly eats gas station sushi for dinner. One person is a local business owner with absolutely no reason to start stalking people in public at her source of income, and the other is a televangelist turned career politician with a colorful history of truth telling.
