I know it’s not mature or the best way to handle things, but I FREAKING LOVE seeing a Republican fight back. Republicans always back down when the media/Democrats try to portray them as the bad guy or heartless. Trump just fights back. Definitely not in the most mature manner, but he gets his point across. Hopefully, Republicans learn that they can fight back but do it in a more mature manner down the road.
Hold on–you really think Trump is a Republican? You don’t think he would have been just as happy to run as a Democrat if he’d seen it as a better path to get what he wanted?
I think overall he’s been more conservative than either Bush, that’s what matters to me. Whether you want to call that Republican or not, he clearly represents the right more than the left. And his supreme court picks are going to be fantastic for Republicans.
Those pesky media, calling separating children from families “heartless”. Thinking white nationalists are the “bad guy”. Glad to have Trump fighting back against those labels.
Yes, if you talk about specific issues, not Trump’s latest tweet.
You have to ask the person what they think about subsidizing Tesla, or what to do about Harley Davidson.
Or how their family is effected by the new tax bill, and if they think we should do more to increase the earned income credit.
If they think it’s unfair that a US manufacturer of water bottles has to pay $6 to ship one, when someone in China can ship it for less than $2 because they have a preferential agreement. Maybe we need to make some adjustments on trade without alienating our allies.
You could ask them if we should issue more work visas for farm workers, since there’s a shortage and if that would be a good thing to do for the families at the border.
You may not always agree, but you’ll be talking about real issues. You probably agree on 60% of them, which is a big shift from viewing them as the enemy who is 100% wrong. Not saying you do that, antiquity, just talking generally. I’m not a Trump supporter by any stretch, but I don’t think it’s possible to start with his tweets, unless you’re talking to a right-leaning person who will just agree that the tweets are needlessly unpredictable and caustic.
I had co-workers last summer discuss conservatives in front of me, not knowing that I lean right on many issues. They’re opinion was simply that conservatives are selfish people who’s main motive is self-interest, keeping what’s theirs. That’s the main difference between “us” and “them.” Conservative Christians give more blood and volunteer more time than any other demographic. That’s probably something they should remember when they’re describing them as stupid, selfish, or bigoted.
Calling me racist and heartless over and over probably isn’t going to get me to see things your way. My first wife was Hispanic. Her grandmother came here LEGALLY in the 1970s. My step-daughter fully Hispanic, my son half-Hispanic. My four step-sons now are all half-Hispanic. But I’m so very racist for wanting to protect America’s borders.
My current wife’s family spent two years in a refugee camp as they applied to enter the U.S. LEGALLY. That was after her dad spent 2 years in a Viet Cong “camp of concentration” as he calls it. You’ve seen the images of women trying hand their babies over the fence at the U.S. embassy in Saigon as it fell? My wife was 4 days old and in that crowd with her parents.
I’ve never understood the obsession that people like Zeb had in which the media is somehow this mega powerful entity with the power to shape the country.
We have a liberal dominated media, and have for years. On the flip side, it’s been years since liberals had meaningful control over the govt. Something the GOP has en masse today.
So the media is very powerful and negatively influences the country? I’m totally on board. The media causes liberals to win? Not according to history
I don’t think it’s as bad as it’s been made to seem. Have you ever been to an event or something that was covered by the media? Then you go home and watch the reporting of the event and it hardly resembles your experience?
I have experienced it as I am sure many probably has at some point in their lives. I try to remember the levels of separation between what actually happened and what was reported to have happened.
My day to day life is quite polite. And I live in a very diverse neighborhood and area. Most of the time, people are pleasant and interactions are usually positive.
Certainly divisiveness, these days, are at a high point, but it hasn’t invaded day to day interactions for the most part.
This is a ‘safe space’ if you will to have those hard conversations. But my view, even though we get heated from time to time we still manage to be friends, or at least ‘internet-friends’. Despite a few exceptions, I think most of us here, would get along just fine as neighbors.
This throwing people out of movies or restaurants simply because they are affiliated with a tribe one may not like is wrong. It does send a message, the message that the restaurant owner is a dick, or the movie hecklers are assholes who cannot tolerate opinions, not even expressed of others. They discriminate against people for work for the wrong person or voting for the wrong person and this is perceived. No conversation was had, just vile behavior toward another human being.
Imagine the noise, if the person harassed at an establishment had a rainbow flag button on? Or a member of Obama’s cabinet was thrown out of a restaurant? Imagine the outrage.
The knife cuts both ways, I pray that there is no retaliation.
You can say ‘fuckin’. And how is it possible? Let us be the better people than that.
He may be the President, but he is also just a man. Just because the President acts petty doesn’t mean we should or have to also.
Sure it seems enabling, but it should only bait bottom feeders at best.
I agree that refusing to service people due to their personal beliefs isn’t amazing. Wasn’t smart when the baker did it, when what’s her name refused to give marriages to gays, and not smart this time around either.
That being said, we already saw WIDESCALE support out of the GOP for stopping service due to personal beliefs. I have no doubt the Dems will not rise to the occasion and pull punches. Especially considering whose in the oval
Of course there will be. Like I said upthread, people don’t ‘really’ care about tribalism and political targeting. Not nearly enough to do something like influence their voting.
Tribalism is bad. Sure. Bad for the country even. But both you and I don’t actually give a shit, because we both showed up 2 years ago to vote for some tribalistic asshats anyways.
But when that person can impose his or her personal beliefs upon the nation that changes things. In fact, we can change the whole personal belief angle into public policy.
When did the GOP say tolerance is bad, ever?
Second, conservatives in this case are not the ones who banged the drum of tolerance, over and over and over. Then decided that conservatives are not to be tolerated.
The left did do this in this case. Which is hypocrisy at its finest. Not all liberals or democrats, though. Many have condemned Waters and her ilk. And I commend those who did.
This is apples and oranges and I fear no matter what anybody says you’re going to insist on conflating the two issues. The gay cake was a request for the baker to make a specific, custom item that contradicted her beliefs. Should said same gay people come it to buy some cookies or cakes already made, there would have been no refusal to serve. And if there was a refusal to sell or service those people, or if they were thrown out because they were gay, then of course that would cross the line.
In the case of Sarah Sanders, she was thrown out of a restaurant simply because of who she was and no other reason. That is every bit as much discrimination as throwing someone out because of the color of their skin.
The sad part about your rant, is that you believe the cartoon version\ media version of who conservatives are and what they actually believe and you seem to drink the kool-aid happily.
Conservatives and Liberals tend to mostly have the same ends. What’s different is the means.
Unfortunately, the tribalistic asshats where the only two that were on the ballot. I voted for what I believed to be the less bad option out of two terrible options.
If there were another option that was less bad than Trump and Clinton with a legit shot at winning, I would have voted for them.