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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.[/quote]

Neither is Claritin. What’s your point?

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[quote]poophead wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
I true am sad for your glee loss OP. Peoples must recognize that steriods destroy life. Your case is only a sad example whereby too many is happened to those here if they do not stop using steriods. Is warning.

You talk non sense is true. Speak learn english please language.

Do mock not be I am Korean and consequently software of translation use. Anyway our neighbors China will receive soon and will have died you of steriod use, that judges through your picture - ha ha soon we have melted you steroid men down to make soap and steal we your oil :slight_smile:

Greatest Post Ever.

This is why I love this site.

[/quote]
Maybe we drop Nuclear missile on you.

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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.[/quote]

No shit, that was his point. You have no idea what you are talking about. That much is obvious.

You have actually never posted anything worthwhile on this site. There is no doubt in my mind that you wont have any idea why your post is lost in the context of this topic.

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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.[/quote]

Bicepenvy’s account was disabled once we discovered that it was a duplicate account for another member who is alredy posting in this thread under his original username.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

same guy?

[/quote]

JF…how the hell did you remember that? lol

There is no way I would have remembered a thread from last year…maybe it was the weed as a teenager. =)

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.

Bicepenvy’s account was disabled once we discovered that it was a duplicate account for another member who is alredy posting in this thread under his original username.

Slimthugger?

BBB[/quote]

Ya think? These guys are tools.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
As I understand it, AAS have been shown to increase levels of homocystine. Homocystine is ‘linked’ to heart disease, in that many young MI victims have genetically high levels of homocystine.

However homocystine cannot be that important or my friend who has a very strong genetic risk of an MI (‘heart attack’ to some) i.e. his father died of one very early in life, would surely have been informed of homocystine and been routinely checked for it, no? Apparently not. He was only made aware of it when we spoke about it at the gym.

Further, since 800mg of folic acid (a dietary supplement) has been shown to effectively lower homocystine levels, one could argue that if AAS significantly increases the risk of MI, then that risk can easily and safely be countered.

BBB[/quote]

Just wondering, how would AAS go on to increasing levels of homocystine? Would they offset a subtle defect in the gene programming the construction of methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase? Or it does it in a totally different way, and doesn’t affect genes?
I’m not questioning you, just genuinely interested [/clarification]

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[quote]JPCleary wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:

same guy?

JF…how the hell did you remember that? lol

There is no way I would have remembered a thread from last year…maybe it was the weed as a teenager. =)
[/quote]

I didn’t remember it. Going by the original post, something didn’t add up. So, I looked at the post history

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

95% of high school students are minors. [/quote]

Come on bonez,There is a difference between a child and a highschool student.Most of them have there licenses in high school and begin lifting weights.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.

Bicepenvy’s account was disabled once we discovered that it was a duplicate account for another member who is alredy posting in this thread under his original username.

Slimthugger?

BBB

Ya think? These guys are tools. [/quote]

LOL owned.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

95% of high school students are minors.

Come on bonez,There is a difference between a child and a highschool student.Most of them have there licenses in high school and begin lifting weights.

[/quote]

But they are still minors, with parents who love to go to the school board over things like this. Are you self employed ?

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Come on bonez,There is a difference between a child and a highschool student.Most of them have there licenses in high school and begin lifting weights.

[/quote]

Yeah man, there’s a difference. The ones in HS are bigger.

I think you’re giving kids too much credit here buddy. Either that, or you’re totally oblivious to the fact that MOST of them are braindead followers

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[quote]WS4JB wrote:

But they are still minors, with parents who love to go to the school board over things like this. Are you self employed ? [/quote]

That is exactly the point. If the majority of the world truly viewed HS students as capable of making their own decision, and as such solely taking the blame for bad ones, then there wouldn’t be an issue with actually engaging in serious topics, or even voicing your own personal viewpoints. When I was teaching college, it was a completely different story, hell, I was only a few years older than some of my students -lol.

S

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Allright Allright im wrong i get it.I understand highschool or any school is the wrong stage to teach about the benefits of AAS.But I hope we all agree on this, the nations view on AAS needs to change and it isnt going to if no one opens there mouth.

This stupid country is full of hypocrits, I can buy a case of beer and a pack of cigarets everyday and get blasted and choke down bigmacs all I want and I have never seen any one standing out front of the liqour store or Mcdonalds saying “dont go in there you might die”, but as soon as I want to get in shape and blast through my genetic limitations I then have to keep my mouth shut and head down about what im doing.

We all know the truth but none of us can say anything

And no Im not self employed, but I dont work for the city the gov or a school.I also wouldnt get on a soap box in the middle of my work and start preaching about the benefits of gear, but the issue doesnt really come up either.

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[quote]WS4JB wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
Greatest Post Ever.[/quote]

Not a bad avatar either.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

95% of high school students are minors.

Come on bonez,There is a difference between a child and a highschool student.Most of them have there licenses in high school and begin lifting weights.

[/quote]

Yes of course the mental capacity of a 17 year old is different than a 9 year old. I get that. But legally speaking a minor is a minor. The job description of a public school teacher does not afford the opportunity to endorse the use of Schedule III drugs. This is a cut and dry situation. You wouldn’t be saying this if the drug in question was methamphetemine or cocaine, drugs of the same schedule. Obviously there is a HUGE difference between AAS and meth but legally they are the same. I am 100% positive that Stu is not basing his decision on what information he shares on the maturity of the students but solely on the legal ramifications of endorsing illegal drugs to minors in his classroom.

EDIT

The other responses hadn’t showed up when I posted this. Don’t want to sound like I’m dwelling on this topic just for the sake of it.

Yes the national view on AAS should change. We’ll see what happens in the next 30 years. That’s my guess on how long it’ll take for the idea to even be entertained.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

95% of high school students are minors.

Come on bonez,There is a difference between a child and a highschool student.Most of them have there licenses in high school and begin lifting weights.

[/quote]

Yes, but there’s not much difference in the idiocy or litigiousness of parents of either children or high school students. They are almost equally deranged.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Yes the national view on AAS should change. We’ll see what happens in the next 30 years. That’s my guess on how long it’ll take for the idea to even be entertained. [/quote]

I have faith. In the past 2 years four “anti-aging” clinics have opened within a 20 mile radius of my home.

They all specialize in HRT. I take that as a good sign.