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[quote]limitatinfinity wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

So you’re saying you’re a coward and a sellout because “have to appear to be in agreement with the media”?
What are you gonna do when Obama and the media tell your students that people are dying from drinking protein shakes and being to muscular?

lim@infinity[/quote]

Protein shakes aren’t scheduled drugs. You clown.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.[/quote]

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

If someone smokes and they die from lung cancer, it is generally assumed that the smoking caused it. On the other hand, some people that don’t smoke at all have/had lung cancer. Anyone with an ounce of brains in their head realizes the smoking didn’t HELP the lungs along. Even if AAS isn’t the culprit here, it DIDN’T help his heart. Smarten up Stu.[/quote]

AAS in typical cycling doses or in TRT doses do not put the same amount or kind of stress on the heart as inhaling smoke does to the sacs in the lungs. Your analogy is not based on any truths whatsoever.

And yes AAS can have negative effects. Directly causing a heart attack in an otherwise healthy individual is not one of them.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

[/quote]

95% of high school students are minors.

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[quote]WS4JB wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
I true am sad for your glee loss OP. Peoples must recognize that steriods destroy life. Your case is only a sad example whereby too many is happened to those here if they do not stop using steriods. Is warning.

You talk non sense is true. Speak learn english please language.

Do mock not be I am Korean and consequently software of translation use. Anyway our neighbors China will receive soon and will have died you of steriod use, that judges through your picture - ha ha soon we have melted you steroid men down to make soap and steal we your oil :slight_smile:

Greatest Post Ever.[/quote]

This is why I love this site.

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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
If you don’t care. Don’t post. Lot of people here that don’t care, but have an awful lot to say. [/quote]

jCaesar88 wrote:

The only thing I “care” about is people who try to make others feel bad for being “insensitive” because they don’t give a shit about the person who died. [/quote]

Read that again.

This will be my last normal response to you on this topic

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The thread mocking this one mysteriously just vanished, makes me wonder if the Mods know something we don’t.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

So you’re saying you’re a coward and a sellout because “have to appear to be in agreement with the media”?
What are you gonna do when Obama and the media tell your students that people are dying from drinking protein shakes and being to muscular?

lim@infinity

Protein shakes aren’t scheduled drugs. You clown. [/quote]

Not yet.

Who’s to say the government doesn’t have the authority to regulate the production and sale of any food or drug.

At this point, it’s not beyond the reach of the president to push through that kind of of legislation if he feels it is necessary.

If the latest FED overhaul legislation is passed, he may not even need legislative authority to direct the FED and FDA to enforce that kind of regulation.

lim@infinity

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

[/quote]

Even if they are high schoolers, a majority of them would be minors, he simply can’t talk to minors about illegal drugs and shed ANY positive light on them.

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oh man this thread is a winner

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

[/quote]
www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/11/10/barack-obama-will-legalize-anabolic-steroids

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[quote]bicepmannn wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
bicepmannn wrote:
I true am sad for your glee loss OP. Peoples must recognize that steriods destroy life. Your case is only a sad example whereby too many is happened to those here if they do not stop using steriods. Is warning.

You talk non sense is true. Speak learn english please language.

Do mock not be I am Korean and consequently software of translation use. Anyway our neighbors China will receive soon and will have died you of steriod use, that judges through your picture - ha ha soon we have melted you steroid men down to make soap and steal we your oil :)[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

Stu your very respected on here so dont take this the wrong way, I completley disagree with you not telling your students the truth.Your no better than all the politicians and doctors who speak out about AAS and you might be worse because you know the truth but avoid it.Inform your students and tell them the truth.

You sound like someone who has never had a professional job where your word can be held against you at all times.

I heard students and thought of atleast high school not children.I understand the possible ripple effect of telling the truth but it has to start somewhere.

Someone needs to gather a group of lobbyist’s and go to washington.

[/quote]

Both of my parents are/were teachers. There is a ton of shit you can NOT say in a classroom no matter how compelled you may be to get the truth out there. You will have parents at your doorstep the very next day asking for your resignation. Some of you need more life experience. Even in high school, there is no way I would be a teacher today given the outlandish controls in place that limit free speech/THOUGHT.

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When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S

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[quote]bicepenvy wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow. I always feel sorry for anyone’s loss. Sadly though, and you see this whenever a parent, or loved one needs something to blame, certain things that have a stigma attached to them get the blame. I don’t want to sound like an ass here, but I’ve had tons of friends, and known hundred of acquaintances who have used ‘substances’ (as it was put I believe) and never had any mood swings or any types of bad reactions.

When you do hear of someone dying, there’s usually a pre-existing condition, or some other ‘substance’ besides the AAS that was really a trigger. Having hung around with DRs who use, and will go on and on about not a single study actually linking anything negative to use, I am somewhat troubled by a ‘coroner’ who was well versed enough to draw such a conclusion.

I had an old friend who was on stuff for about 16 years, never off. He died a few years ago, and while I tell my students that it was because of his ‘use’, in actuality he had developed a serious habit of Meth, Nubain, and all sorts of other non-ASS habits just from hanging with the lovely crowd he fell into (I don’t tell that to my students though, I have to appear to be in agreement with the media).

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss, I just wanted to voice my true thoughts.

S

If someone smokes and they die from lung cancer, it is generally assumed that the smoking caused it. On the other hand, some people that don’t smoke at all have/had lung cancer. Anyone with an ounce of brains in their head realizes the smoking didn’t HELP the lungs along. Even if AAS isn’t the culprit here, it DIDN’T help his heart. Smarten up Stu.[/quote]

Wait, WHO should smarten up?

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Cocaine in the nose = extra?

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EDIT

thread malfunction

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
bicepenvy wrote:
If you don’t care. Don’t post. Lot of people here that don’t care, but have an awful lot to say.

jCaesar88 wrote:

The only thing I “care” about is people who try to make others feel bad for being “insensitive” because they don’t give a shit about the person who died.

Read that again.

This will be my last normal response to you on this topic[/quote]

Go stroke your cat. Don’t post if you don’t care. simple.

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Plenty of prescribed drugs increase the risk of heart attack. I see a couple every night on TV saying “This may increase your risk of stroke and heart attack.”

I don’t disagree with your post, but just because something is used by doctors as medicine doesn’t mean it is safe. What can save one person can also kill them - chemotherapy.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
When you work in a public school, the best thing you can do, sadly, is to keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The last thing I need is one of my students doing something stupid, and then saying “Mr. So and So said that it wasn’t bad for me”. Just this realization alone really does limit what you can say to the kids.

Most of you already know this, but while I don’t use AAS, I certainly don’t take one side or the other about whether they’re good or bad for you. It’s a decision that (hopefully) an informed adult makes for himself. Yes, they are illegal, but I don’t think that’s the issue we’re discussing here. I highly doubt they’re the evil most people seem to brand them as, certainly no one takes steroids and then gets behind the wheel of a car ‘under the influence’ and kills people, but hey, alcohol is legal, and all of the studies that have been done prove that excessive consumption will result in a negative effect.

We’ve still got people talking about how Lyle Alzado’s use of AAS caused his brain cancer, even though his own Doctor has constantly gone on record disputing the fact. Admittedly, I’m no doctor, and all I can use as my own reference point is the studies I read, and the numerous people I have known who routinely mpartake of AAS. Nothing I have seen points my decision in the “steroids are bad, Mnn-kay” direction.

BICEPENVY- If you can show me one study that actually links AAS to coronary issues, I would love to see it. I’m sure folks with more medical knowledge than I have can rattle off the real culprits of heart disease, but somehow, I don’t think elevated testosterone levels would be on the list. Again, I’m not getting firey or angry here (I’ll avoid the pissing contests that seem to spring up on here), but I’ve never seen a single link. Linking the other “very real” drugs my friend was routinely using to his health issues… well yeah, that’s very easily supported by facts.

S
[/quote]

Funny how everyone here is a medical expert. Those drugs are NOT on the list of things that are GOOD for the heart.