Smaller Guy on the Velocity Diet

Diet and Nutrition
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All, pretty new to posting, but I have been actively reading this site for well over a year and really love the site, quality of people on this site is phenomenal. I do have a question in this post if anyone wants to skim through, but I want to give some background on myself in case it helps anyone.

I was tiny in high school, wrestled at 112 as a senior and then pretty much relied on my natural metabolism all through college despite eating burger kind and burritos every day… It’s really amazing I made it through ok. About a year ago I was starting to look a pretty soft 135 pounds and at the same time was working with a fellow T-Nationer… He really knew his stuff and the whole theory and action behind working out and nutrition was fascinating.

A year later, I’ve done a bunch of Waterbury workouts, and while I would definately not consider myself hard core am now weighing a much more solid 150. People laugh when I say it, but I have a beer gut, and I’m sure there are people here who know what I’m talking about… While I don’t look fat, for someone my size I probably carry a good 10-20 pounds in my stomach and love handle areas which can really effect my physique and stamina.

A combination of those things has me starting the V-diet. That and I love doing crazy experiments, as long as I have researched them and am confident that they are healthy.

Here’s my question. I have been using the Metobolic Drive: Complete, for the first two shakes, then switching to the low-carb variety. I’m noticing that this is unusual for the diet, and don’t want to torture myself for a month doing something that is going to hinder my results. The reason I am using it, is I can’t get the math to work out for low-carb MD.

I want to take in about 1200-1500 calories a day, I have a pretty quick metabolism and don’t want to lose muscle, but in order to do that I need around 12 scoops a day of LCMD, giving me 240 grams of protein! I don’t need that. Am I missing some fundamental part of all this?

I am using Chia seeds, but am going to switch to milled flax because the chia seeds are… umm… seemingly just passing through. I am also using 5 Flameout tablets per evening. Surge recovery shakes post workout. The way that the diet looks for someone my size is way too much protein and almost no carbohydrates (hence my use of the Metabolic Drivc Complete to even this out a bit)… I’m a bit confused here and would love to hear some feedback. I will try to post some pictures at some point soon, and will definitely post results.

A few other stats for those interested:

Height 5’5"
Weight 150lbs
Age 25
3RM -
Bench approx 165
DL approx 235
Squat approx 180
BB Row approx 135

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Let’s say you need 1300 calories and 200g of protein. For argument’s sake we’ll just use Metabolic Drive. 10 servings would give you 200g of protein and 1000 calories. The other 300 calories are going to come mostly from fat. You can break that down as 10g of fish oil, some flax, and either a scoop of peanut butter or an ounce of olive oil.

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I still feel that 200 grams of protein is a bit much for someone my size, I am working out pretty hard doing Waterbury’s TBT MWF, I am not doing the cardio in off days since shedding weight isn’t as much my goal as breaking bad eating habits (obviously I will lose weight anyways if I stick to the diet) and drinking habits, which is actually a big thing for me.

I’ve definitely heard a lot about the dangers of over-taxing your liver with protein. Anyone have some reading material on this that isn’t just the general junk you get from uninformed co-workers?

Either way, I don’t think I am getting enough fiber and wonder if I have some celery each day am I wimping out? Do I need to get all fiber from flax?

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Walnut, it is recommended that you get between 1-2g of protein per lb of bodyweight. So if you weigh 150, you should take in between 150-300g of protein per day. I tend to eat on the 2g/lb ratio.

Also, why do you want to do the V-Diet? I understand you want to lose your gut, but why not clean up your diet, do some cardio, and try to add muscle to your frame? You are quite small right now. If you were to do the V-Diet, you’d be incredibly small.

Just my 2cc, but I’d reconsider this if I were you.

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i don’t understand how it’s possible to have a gut at 150lbs

i’d say Biotest are licking their lips at the amount of people doing this diet at the moment, pretty much all of which shouldn’t be bothering

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[quote]walnutmon wrote:
I still feel that 200 grams of protein is a bit much for someone my size, [/quote]

It’s not.

What’s wrong with just being a man and eating right? Sheesh, you don’t need the v-diet to change your habits, just some balls and discipline.

Your liver is not involved in protein metabolism. It’s already been broken down in your small intestine before it goes through your liver. Did you mean kidneys? For evidence against that, how about the millions of people who are not afraid to eat more than 200g of protein and all that happened is they got stronger?

You’re on a liquid diet. Your shits will not be pretty.

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[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
walnutmon wrote:
I still feel that 200 grams of protein is a bit much for someone my size,

It’s not.

shedding weight isn’t as much my goal as breaking bad eating habits (obviously I will lose weight anyways if I stick to the diet) and drinking habits, which is actually a big thing for me.

What’s wrong with just being a man and eating right? Sheesh, you don’t need the V-Diet to change your habits, just some balls and discipline.

I’ve definitely heard a lot about the dangers of over-taxing your liver with protein. Anyone have some reading material on this that isn’t just the general junk you get from uninformed co-workers?

Your liver is not involved in protein metabolism. It’s already been broken down in your small intestine before it goes through your liver. Did you mean kidneys? For evidence against that, how about the millions of people who are not afraid to eat more than 200g of protein and all that happened is they got stronger?

Either way, I don’t think I am getting enough fiber and wonder if I have some celery each day am I wimping out? Do I need to get all fiber from flax?

You’re on a liquid diet. Your shits will not be pretty. [/quote]

Anyone who doesn’t already understand everything you just wrote shouldn’t be anywhere near the fucking V-Diet.

Is anyone actually on this damn diet who SHOULD be on it?

This seems to be the cop out effort for every skinny newb and obese idiot who doesn’t want to put any real time and effort in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Is anyone actually on this damn diet who SHOULD be on it?
[/quote]

This is a rhetorical question, right? Have you seen any of these New Years Resolution people that even know the first thing about nutrition?

I haven’t. But they will blindly go on the first diet they find that promises fast fat loss.

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You are better off learning to eat right as someone else posted unless you are trying to fit into your dress and your wedding is only a month away.

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I agree with RJ. No one on this thing knows anything about how to eat properly. Anyways, OP, sorry for the semi hijack, but you’re better off eating right than doing this diet at this point in time.

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You mean like eating 200 grams of protein a day in a careful balancing act of fiber and good clean carbohydrates? Eating frequent small meals?

First off, I’ve been reading and experimenting with this stuff for over a year, you can quiz me if you like, but I know what I need to do to eat healthy, but the reality of having a long stressful day and no time to spend at home cooking for 2 hours a night does make it difficult. I get that a lot of people are really good at this, but I have trouble with junk food and am a binge drinker.

I’m only 5’5" and have a smaller frame, you can definitely have a gut at this size, if I had a digi, i’d take a picture. And I am sure that I am much smaller than most body builders, that’s not why I’m on this diet, I’m on it to shed the stomach fat, get start seeing my abs again, and learn to do things that suck and are hard and suck it up.

This is a mental thing for me, and I am trying to improve my eating habits, but I eat too much junk food… the beauty of this diet is I know what I can and can’t do on it. I have finally been able to stop drinking, granted only for a few days, and have been getting enough protein, and I actually am feeling pretty good right now. I’m already starting to want to cheat by eating things like bananas and oatmeal and chicken, as opposed to chicken wings.

And yes, I mixed up kidneys and the liver, sorry. Point stands that there is a lot of people out there that think that protein is difficult for the body to handle, and I didn’t even say it was true, I asked if there was any reading material out there for me to refer to.

I can completely understand why people think that this may not be neccessary for me at this point, but if you really think about it, spending 6 days a week at the gym isn’t necessary, nor is drinking protein shakes, or eating protein, it’s a life choice we make in order to better ourselves.

No, I’m not dying of obesity, but I am trying to rip some fat off to give me a bit of motivation to keep going since I am one of those lucky guys who can pretty much stay at 150 forever no matter what I eat. But to go up or down is very difficult for me.

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Look friend, I wish you only the best and I mean that sincerely, but you are wasting your time with every single self inflicted mind trick there is.

Find a piece of paper and write this down from somebody a lot older than you who I promise has seen his share of self induced adversity.

Any attempt at escaping yourself by trying to alter external influences is doomed to failure. [quote]“I’ll just not bring that alcohol in the house so I don’t drink”[/quote] you’ll be down at the store picking some up before you know it. [quote]“I know !! to keep from eating shit I’ll go on this cool diet that doesn’t allow me to”[/quote] Be sure to let us know how that turns out.

The bottom line is when you’re ready to do what you need to do you will and not a minute before. Don’t get me wrong, like I say, I wish ya the best, but I have seen armies of guys like you and until the pain of continuing exceeds the pain of change you won’t.

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I’d like to think I did the diet at the right time. I was around ~12-13…had abs peaking through…

The cases are getting continuously more extreme…

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Swole, at least you had a decent build in you. This guy is only 150, with a beer gut, so he wants to do it. Chances are, he doesn’t have much muscle on him, and if he just lifted weights and dieted correctly, he’d improve drastically. But yea, you did make good progress in your diet.

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[quote]walnutmon wrote:

First off, I’ve been reading and experimenting with this stuff for over a year, you can quiz me if you like, but I know what I need to do to eat healthy…but I have trouble with junk food and am a binge drinker.[/quote]

Somewhat of a contradiction??
And yet you think 200 grams of protein per day is a lot?..that’s generally “nutrition 101”

Isn’t necessary for who? The average fat sedentary population who have no idea about nutrition/exercise?

Why is being 150 lucky?? And I doubt you could stay like that eating takeaway for breakfast, lunch and dinner…

I really do hope whatever you do does work out for you, however you don’t sound like you’ve got it all together just yet.

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Like Rainjack and Professor X are saying, it’s the QUICK aspect that lassos the wrong people into the V-Diet.

For someone who has not yet developed sound eating and training habits an extreme specialized plan of any kind is the exact wrong thing for them to do. Even if it weren’t, what, pray tell, makes a guy who can’t control his drinking enough to shed a beer belly think he can stick to a liquid only diet… unless it was beer?

Someone is going to say, yeah but it may just be the thing to induce that discipline. Firstly that is very doubtful to say the least and even if he did stick to it the rebound is going to be grotesque. No, you need to get your head out outta yer ass before anything else will matter.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Like Rainjack and Professor X are saying, it’s the QUICK aspect that lassos the wrong people into the V-Diet.

For someone who has not yet developed sound eating and training habits an extreme specialized plan of any kind is the exact wrong thing for them to do. Even if it weren’t, what, pray tell, makes a guy who can’t control his drinking enough to shed a beer belly think he can stick to a liquid only diet… unless it was beer?

Someone is going to say, yeah but it may just be the thing to induce that discipline. Firstly that is very doubtful to say the least and even if he did stick to it the rebound is going to be grotesque. No, you need to get your head out outta yer ass before anything else will matter.[/quote]

Well said. For anyone to use this diet to retrain their bad habits is just completely irresponsible. This may work for someone who already knows what they should be eating, had been lifting weights for years and simply needs to get back on track, but there is no way some sedentary newbie should use it this way.

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Agreed all around.

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I should throw in here that when I say someone should get their head outta their ass I speak from very personal and painful experience lest anyone think I’m talking down to anybody.