[quote]countingbeans wrote:
…proving every single criticism I’ve had to be true…
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you mean that part where I showed enough maturity to admit my flaws?
I can’t imagine anyone reading your shit and not detecting a bit of callousness, I mean jesus you have every little bit of life figured out with no questions, you’re perfect!
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Lol, at spending an entire page proving every single criticism I’ve had to be true, in rapid fire fashion… Yet still being convinced I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about because “magic CAD” or “machine shop” or something.
Up your insult game boy, it lacks imagination. And it takes a lot more than that to hurt my e-feelings.
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yet you felt the need to post a response…interesting…[/quote]
Yes, because even though you’re acting borderline retarded and can’t see it, I actually do care about you, and your future.
The more I try and hammer what I’m saying home, the sooner it will click with you.
And even if I’m wrong about you, and you end up a lost cause, there might just be someone reading who is picking up what I’m putting down.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
You can take your INCIDENTAL experience and shove it straight up your urethra. I was raised …
I just think that some of you can’t fathom someone like me (balls to the wall, pedal to the metal) exists.
I’m not concerned with office drama, asshole,
And let me just reiterate, [/quote]
Sure sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself of all this bullshit, because not a single one of us that has actually been around the block a couple of times even remotely believes any of your fair tales at this point homie.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
You’re an accountant…isn’t it assumed that for like half of every month you don’t have shit to do? [/quote]
Hey look, you’re assuming, and making an ass of yourself… What’s the old cliche?
Being one? None. Doing bean counting for and advising ownership? haha. God this is hilarious.
[quote]So, in your eyes, how much (incidental) experience does one need before they qualify to make statements?
What about their attitude?
Personality?
Education?[/quote]
The problem sport is you’re making judgements, and likely from a position of ignorance.
That’s funny, because the people who sign you paycheck do.
lmao
It’s not surprising you’re confused.
Every single one of your posts in this thread and your ridiculous need to try and convince a bunch of internet people you are truly badass worker man.
because those things are mutually exclusive?
Lmao, jesus kid.
[quote]oh, and by the way beans…with all of your awesome “Experience” that you have, I’m sure you have a few accomplishments…right? Or am I mistaken?
Please go ahead and list a few for the young whipper snappers out there…[/quote]
lol. You just don’t get it.
You sound like the most insecure pussy on Earth in this thread. Who is projecting some false sense of heightened self worth as if you aren’t instantly replaceable, and likely by the kid you want to snitch on.
I feel bad for anyone that took the time out of their life to take this thread serious.
Jesus Christ. Like you’re the lost diamond in the rough, and the only one who works hard… Just lmao.[/quote]
Can you atleast try to post something thats relevant to this thread, or what I said?
You just have no clue until you show up and walk a day in my shoes where I’m at. I guess it was silly of to think i could convey everything through these posts and have it sink in for you. Like i said, you can’t fathom.
I’m sorry.
Aand btw, aren’t you like 36? Not that i expect you to answer a question of mine.
So don’t actually answer any of my questions, don’t write anything directly related to this thread, just tell us about your frustrations and gods work that you do.
I used to have more threads like this when i was in school, i got a mouth full of “you haven’t done anything yet”…now that i have done plenty in my short career it’s “oh youre too young and naive to make judgements”
Fuckottahere
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Your level of ignorance is breathtaking. Go ask someone what a CPA does. Then read his later posts, especially the last one about maintaining objectivity when managing people.
EDITED[/quote]
I’ll go ask someone what a CPA does as soon as this CPA starts answering some of my questions for him, it may be a while.
And as far as learning about managing people, my current boss (operations manager) is a genius at this, and he is well known for it. Of course, he is only 31 so many may look at him as an inexperienced whipper-snapper, but hey I think he can teach me a thing or two about managing people. I’ll listen to him all day with my mouth shut, I’m not taking advice from some hypocritical loser-fuck CPA who knows very little about what I do, where I work, or the industry I’m in.[/quote]
Really? I am 36. Without giving too much away online, in the simplest terms possible, I manage the guy who manages the guy in your boss’s position. I listen to my CPA.
Does this clarify things for you?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Lol, at spending an entire page proving every single criticism I’ve had to be true, in rapid fire fashion… Yet still being convinced I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about because “magic CAD” or “machine shop” or something.
Up your insult game boy, it lacks imagination. And it takes a lot more than that to hurt my e-feelings.
[/quote]
See? I told you. Different languages…
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I can’t imagine anyone reading your shit and not detecting a bit of callousness,[/quote]
I would imagine that’s because I am being callous here.
Look, fact of the matter is can and have sat down to dinner and drinks with people who paid more in 3rd quarter estimated taxes than you or I will ever earn in our lifetimes combined. You take the fact I am confident I can sit down and “talk shop” (and even life sometimes) with anyone in the Business world and walk away with at the very least respect, if not a job offer as “me having all the answers”.
Look forget it. I don’t have the energy to give a fuck about you anymore. Do it your way… Pretend I’m anyone you want me to be. Whatever man.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Lol, at spending an entire page proving every single criticism I’ve had to be true, in rapid fire fashion… Yet still being convinced I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about because “magic CAD” or “machine shop” or something.
Up your insult game boy, it lacks imagination. And it takes a lot more than that to hurt my e-feelings.
[/quote]
See? I told you. Different languages…[/quote]
You’re right. I should have quit after the fiber joke. I lol’ed. I should have been satisfied.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Frankly, I think you’re heading for a long career of changing companies every few years, probably leaving of your own accord most of the time but getting fired at least once for being the company hothead who couldn’t play nice, probably cussing out the place you leave every time because it was filled with idiots and you haven’t learned that not everyone works exactly the same way that you do.
Have fun with that.[/quote]
I want to reiterate this position again, because I feel it more strongly now after watching the discussion on the last page. OP is heading for a career spent changing employers every two or three years, sometimes because he can’t stand his job and/or coworkers, sometimes because people can’t stand him, and he will be fired at least once for being the office shithead. Shame, too, because he might well be a brilliant engineer. But having the skills is only half the battle.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I just want to say that this thread has been helpful to me. There are two therapists on staff at my medical practice and we are night and day. Over the two years I’ve been there I’ve become the go-to for doctors needing to get someone seen quickly, which makes them prefer to refer to me for any complex case.
The past two weeks, in addition to the regular referrals that are divided evenly between us, I’ve squeezed into my schedule two PTSD people (one attacked by a group and left for dead, the other accused of something bad and suspended from his career), one family member of a suicide, and a person who is themselves suicidal after being asked for a divorce after 20+ years. I also have pretty much every ex-con and heroin addict seen at the place (she’s church lady-ish, so the cons don’t like her, and she refuses to work with addiction - but someone has to).
I’m bitter! I have this incredibly high intensity job while she helps “the worried well” honor themselves and find the good energy in their hearts, or wtfever. She also looks like I’ve pulled a gun on her any time I want to discuss a case. Since we see families, teaming is necessary and right, and anything less disadvantages the clients. We’re each going to work with a sibling and separately tell the parents what the problem is? Or only I am going to try to address underlying family issues?
So it’s all been galling me for some time.
I will, however, do my best to calm the fuck down.
I’m also sad because I’ve always had a team I liked, and who liked me, and this leaves me feeling isolated. (I was recruited to the organization based on the strong recommendation of former team members, so it is not that I’m difficult. She apparently has a reputation for self-serving behavior.)[/quote]
The difference, it seems to me, is that your co-worker’s conduct directly affects your workload and your ability to do your job in the most effective way possible.
As I understand it, OP shares an office with his guy but they answer to different bosses and work on different projects. It’s only a problem because it pisses him off to see this guy screwing the pooch while he’s busting his ass.
You, on the other hand, are required to bust your ass (take on all the intense cases) because the other person screws the pooch and doesn’t provide you with the support you would expect (teaming up on family issues).
Feel free to calm the fuck down if you like, but IMO when you have a reasonable expectation that someone is working with you as opposed to just near you and they hang you out to dry you have a right to be pissed.
I wonder if some meaning was lost in interpretation. It’s not like I said anything fundamentally different than what everyone else has been saying.
In the short term, while you could certainly change your attitude, calm down, mind your own business, or whatever, probably the easiest thing to do is just get him out of your field of view. Move your monitor(s) or something. That’ll at least keep you from looking over there.
I also would never suggest treating deadlines or the bottom line as unimportant. Mostly, I want to encourage some reflection on the relationship between yourself and your company (or any company you work for as an employee). I could elaborate, but that somewhat defeats the purpose.
It’s great things seem to be working out well for you right now.
The vast majority of this stuff is great, its just at an entirely different level than necessary. A fine dining experience is amazing, but sometimes at the end of the day you just need some meat and potatoes.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Frankly, I think you’re heading for a long career of changing companies every few years, probably leaving of your own accord most of the time but getting fired at least once for being the company hothead who couldn’t play nice, probably cussing out the place you leave every time because it was filled with idiots and you haven’t learned that not everyone works exactly the same way that you do.
Have fun with that.[/quote]
I want to reiterate this position again, because I feel it more strongly now after watching the discussion on the last page. OP is heading for a career spent changing employers every two or three years, sometimes because he can’t stand his job and/or coworkers, sometimes because people can’t stand him, and he will be fired at least once for being the office shithead. Shame, too, because he might well be a brilliant engineer. But having the skills is only half the battle.[/quote]
I’d love for him (or all of us for that matter) to find the utopian work environment in which there is no unfairness, no jerks, no slackers, no mistreatment, no rule breaking, no false or double billing, etc, etc. 
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Frankly, I think you’re heading for a long career of changing companies every few years, probably leaving of your own accord most of the time but getting fired at least once for being the company hothead who couldn’t play nice, probably cussing out the place you leave every time because it was filled with idiots and you haven’t learned that not everyone works exactly the same way that you do.
Have fun with that.[/quote]
I want to reiterate this position again, because I feel it more strongly now after watching the discussion on the last page. OP is heading for a career spent changing employers every two or three years, sometimes because he can’t stand his job and/or coworkers, sometimes because people can’t stand him, and he will be fired at least once for being the office shithead. Shame, too, because he might well be a brilliant engineer. But having the skills is only half the battle.[/quote]
I’d love for him (or all of us for that matter) to find the utopian work environment in which there is no unfairness, no jerks, no slackers, no mistreatment, no rule breaking, no false or double billing, etc, etc. [/quote]
I’m a programmer who works full-time from home. The only slacker I have to deal with is myself. It’s 10:30pm here and I’ve only done about an 2 hours of work today. You want my bosses number OP? He already knows I’ll probably be up past 2am watching movies I’ve seen and coding. And finishing my project on time.
The only asshole I have to deal with during the day is my cat. He can be a real SOB when he wants attention.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
You can take your INCIDENTAL experience and shove it straight up your urethra. I was raised …
I just think that some of you can’t fathom someone like me (balls to the wall, pedal to the metal) exists.
I’m not concerned with office drama, asshole,
And let me just reiterate, [/quote]
Sure sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself of all this bullshit, because not a single one of us that has actually been around the block a couple of times even remotely believes any of your fair tales at this point homie.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
You’re an accountant…isn’t it assumed that for like half of every month you don’t have shit to do? [/quote]
Hey look, you’re assuming, and making an ass of yourself… What’s the old cliche?
Being one? None. Doing bean counting for and advising ownership? haha. God this is hilarious.
[quote]So, in your eyes, how much (incidental) experience does one need before they qualify to make statements?
What about their attitude?
Personality?
Education?[/quote]
The problem sport is you’re making judgements, and likely from a position of ignorance.
That’s funny, because the people who sign you paycheck do.
lmao
It’s not surprising you’re confused.
Every single one of your posts in this thread and your ridiculous need to try and convince a bunch of internet people you are truly badass worker man.
because those things are mutually exclusive?
Lmao, jesus kid.
[quote]oh, and by the way beans…with all of your awesome “Experience” that you have, I’m sure you have a few accomplishments…right? Or am I mistaken?
Please go ahead and list a few for the young whipper snappers out there…[/quote]
lol. You just don’t get it.
You sound like the most insecure pussy on Earth in this thread. Who is projecting some false sense of heightened self worth as if you aren’t instantly replaceable, and likely by the kid you want to snitch on.
I feel bad for anyone that took the time out of their life to take this thread serious.
Jesus Christ. Like you’re the lost diamond in the rough, and the only one who works hard… Just lmao.[/quote]
Can you atleast try to post something thats relevant to this thread, or what I said?
You just have no clue until you show up and walk a day in my shoes where I’m at. I guess it was silly of to think i could convey everything through these posts and have it sink in for you. Like i said, you can’t fathom.
I’m sorry.
Aand btw, aren’t you like 36? Not that i expect you to answer a question of mine.
So don’t actually answer any of my questions, don’t write anything directly related to this thread, just tell us about your frustrations and gods work that you do.
I used to have more threads like this when i was in school, i got a mouth full of “you haven’t done anything yet”…now that i have done plenty in my short career it’s “oh youre too young and naive to make judgements”
Fuckottahere
[/quote]
Your level of ignorance is breathtaking. Go ask someone what a CPA does. Then read his later posts, especially the last one about maintaining objectivity when managing people.
EDITED[/quote]
I’ll go ask someone what a CPA does as soon as this CPA starts answering some of my questions for him, it may be a while.
And as far as learning about managing people, my current boss (operations manager) is a genius at this, and he is well known for it. Of course, he is only 31 so many may look at him as an inexperienced whipper-snapper, but hey I think he can teach me a thing or two about managing people. I’ll listen to him all day with my mouth shut, I’m not taking advice from some hypocritical loser-fuck CPA who knows very little about what I do, where I work, or the industry I’m in.[/quote]
Really? I am 36. Without giving too much away online, in the simplest terms possible, I manage the guy who manages the guy in your boss’s position. I listen to my CPA.
Does this clarify things for you?[/quote]
Yes it does clarify your world for me, this should come in handy, thanks.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Frankly, I think you’re heading for a long career of changing companies every few years, probably leaving of your own accord most of the time but getting fired at least once for being the company hothead who couldn’t play nice, probably cussing out the place you leave every time because it was filled with idiots and you haven’t learned that not everyone works exactly the same way that you do.
Have fun with that.[/quote]
I want to reiterate this position again, because I feel it more strongly now after watching the discussion on the last page. OP is heading for a career spent changing employers every two or three years, sometimes because he can’t stand his job and/or coworkers, sometimes because people can’t stand him, and he will be fired at least once for being the office shithead. Shame, too, because he might well be a brilliant engineer. But having the skills is only half the battle.[/quote]
Another fucking wizard on GAL with a crystal ball, i think we are currently over staffed in that position 
My dad finished his successful career with just under 4 decades at a fortune 500 company, the early part of his career was spent jumping from job to job on a bi-monthly basis. I would be very happy if i could follow a similar path as his. But wait, am i quitting my job? Is that my plan? Hmmmm.
Btw, with your crystal ball, can you tell me what the weather will be like on 1/22/2016?
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
One other thing I thought of just now while I was in the gym, wish I’d mentioned it in my first post:
OP, one of your original ideas was that you’d passive-aggressively shame your co-worker and make him as uncomfortable as possible. Does that sound like a good leader to you? If you were evaluating someone for management potential, is that what you’d want to see?
How about this novel idea: instead of being the office shithead who hopes to fuck with anyone he doesn’t like until they quit, how about you be a decent leader. If you want to be a manager someday, this is what you’ll have to do, so start getting some practice. Ask the guy how he’s settling in, if there’s anything you can help him with, if he needs any programming or technical help. Engage him in a discussion about his current projects and how they’re going. Talk some shop. Maybe he’ll get more comfortable and start producing. Maybe he’ll figure out that this isn’t the place for him. But there’s a hell of a lot better chance of a happy ending for all if you try this approach instead of “I’ll just ask him what’s up on FaceChat every day until he breaks down and cries” - man, aren’t you so ALPHA.[/quote]
Thats great advice…for someone who is trying to be a condescending prick.
“how is everything”
“can I help you”
“how are your projects coming along”
[/quote]
It’s not being a condescending prick. It’s being a good co-worker. This is how it works in offices with happy employees - people help each other out, talk to one another about their projects, share tips and tricks that they’ve learned to make each other’s lives easier. A lot of good comes from those little conversations, and once in awhile it could be a really big breakthrough. Just because you are an impossibly arrogant SOB who would perceive genuinely helpful conversation as someone being a “condescending prick” doesn’t mean everyone else would. Maybe you should talk to your manager who’s such a fucking genius at managing, and ask if he thinks it’s a good idea for employees to talk to each other about their projects and help each other out.[/quote]
I noticed jimmy need to do something for one of his projects and i said “hey i can show you how to do this, i just learned how” and he said “yea sure”. Im goig to see of i can squeeze it in today and show him.
Because it was a specific enough situation and i knew he wpuld like to be able to do what i will show him.
This is a little different than just casaully checking up on him in a vague manner once a day…dont you think?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I can’t imagine anyone reading your shit and not detecting a bit of callousness,[/quote]
I would imagine that’s because I am being callous here.
Look, fact of the matter is can and have sat down to dinner and drinks with people who paid more in 3rd quarter estimated taxes than you or I will ever earn in our lifetimes combined. You take the fact I am confident I can sit down and “talk shop” (and even life sometimes) with anyone in the Business world and walk away with at the very least respect, if not a job offer as “me having all the answers”.
Look forget it. I don’t have the energy to give a fuck about you anymore. Do it your way… Pretend I’m anyone you want me to be. Whatever man. [/quote]
“Once upon a time…”
Omfg rofl at this post, dinner huh?
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
EmilyQ: I think your situation is a little different. Depending on the dynamics of the medical practice and who has the final say-so over major decisions, case load, etc…I think you’d be within your bounds to comment to the proper decision-maker that it feels as though the case load has become unbalanced and that it’s worth examining the referral patterns to make sure both of you can continue to serve the patients well, or something of that nature. You’re not trying to stab your co-worker in the back for personal gain, but trying to make sure that both you and your co-worker are able to provide quality patient care.[/quote]
Agreed, but in reading this thread I’ve reflected that she does positively affect the bottom line, she just doesn’t make my job pleasant or easy. Now, I can - and to some degree have - force parity by increasing my own boundaries to more closely match hers. This week I’ve booked all of my lunches because of the recent influx of crises and their need to be seen weekly or more. I’ve booked clients into my Friday afternoon paperwork time. But where that was once standard, it’s now rare. My colleague NEVER books people during lunch, and is very often gone an hour before we’re meant to close.
But she is a consistent producer of billable hours. Her mild depressions, low-level anxieties, and the one guy who found me too intense (a scrawny male professor with an eating disorder) all show up as scheduled, so on bottom-line paper we look the same. My caseload is less reliable and less organized due to their higher acuity. I have three full-blown agoraphobics - they’re not always willing to leave the house. If one of our drug-contract people fails a UA they often avoid the practice altogether, though I’m not part of their medical treatment. So some weeks I blow her out of the water, productivity-wise, other weeks I drop. While meanwhile she’s consistent.
My direct supervisor is aware, but very passive. We hang out outside of work, so while I have complained it doesn’t seem to be held against me. My predecessors, with whom I am also social, complained as well.
The medical director of our multi-site organization works in my office and is one of the docs most likely to find me in the evening and ask “if there’s any way” I can pull someone in quickly. I know he’s a fan of mine and must see the difference and I’m sure everyone knows that I have a number of her former patients on my caseload, but again, she’s doing her job as written on the job description. The medical director, as busy as he is both carrying a full caseload of patients and managing the needs of our organization and its however many (100+) providers, is someone to whom I go if I have an urgent patient situation. And he always does find some way to get my people in.
I don’t even know that I’m bitter as much as sad that I don’t have someone with whom I can work at the level I like to work, and with whom I can share the burden. My greater team (again, multi-site practice) has therapists I know well and like, but I see them rarely unless outside of work.
So again, remembering about the bottom line is helpful for me. Hopefully we’ll grow enough to eventually get a third therapist and that person can be my equal. Then, frankly, I’ll be glad to have the milquetoast colleague take all the milquetoast clients.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I just want to say that this thread has been helpful to me. There are two therapists on staff at my medical practice and we are night and day. Over the two years I’ve been there I’ve become the go-to for doctors needing to get someone seen quickly, which makes them prefer to refer to me for any complex case.
The past two weeks, in addition to the regular referrals that are divided evenly between us, I’ve squeezed into my schedule two PTSD people (one attacked by a group and left for dead, the other accused of something bad and suspended from his career), one family member of a suicide, and a person who is themselves suicidal after being asked for a divorce after 20+ years. I also have pretty much every ex-con and heroin addict seen at the place (she’s church lady-ish, so the cons don’t like her, and she refuses to work with addiction - but someone has to).
I’m bitter! I have this incredibly high intensity job while she helps “the worried well” honor themselves and find the good energy in their hearts, or wtfever. She also looks like I’ve pulled a gun on her any time I want to discuss a case. Since we see families, teaming is necessary and right, and anything less disadvantages the clients. We’re each going to work with a sibling and separately tell the parents what the problem is? Or only I am going to try to address underlying family issues?
So it’s all been galling me for some time.
I will, however, do my best to calm the fuck down.
I’m also sad because I’ve always had a team I liked, and who liked me, and this leaves me feeling isolated. (I was recruited to the organization based on the strong recommendation of former team members, so it is not that I’m difficult. She apparently has a reputation for self-serving behavior.)[/quote]
The difference, it seems to me, is that your co-worker’s conduct directly affects your workload and your ability to do your job in the most effective way possible.
As I understand it, OP shares an office with his guy but they answer to different bosses and work on different projects. It’s only a problem because it pisses him off to see this guy screwing the pooch while he’s busting his ass.
You, on the other hand, are required to bust your ass (take on all the intense cases) because the other person screws the pooch and doesn’t provide you with the support you would expect (teaming up on family issues).
Feel free to calm the fuck down if you like, but IMO when you have a reasonable expectation that someone is working with you as opposed to just near you and they hang you out to dry you have a right to be pissed. [/quote]
I guess the key is to be pissed without being toxic myself, which is what the thread has made me think about, and to realize that it’s apparent to anyone with interest that she’s lazy. Unfortunately the people with interest are the doctors looking for someone competent to squeeze their suicidal clients in during their paperwork time or lunch break, so a bit of a vicious circle.
Other than that my job and workplace are a dream.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
One other thing I thought of just now while I was in the gym, wish I’d mentioned it in my first post:
OP, one of your original ideas was that you’d passive-aggressively shame your co-worker and make him as uncomfortable as possible. Does that sound like a good leader to you? If you were evaluating someone for management potential, is that what you’d want to see?
How about this novel idea: instead of being the office shithead who hopes to fuck with anyone he doesn’t like until they quit, how about you be a decent leader. If you want to be a manager someday, this is what you’ll have to do, so start getting some practice. Ask the guy how he’s settling in, if there’s anything you can help him with, if he needs any programming or technical help. Engage him in a discussion about his current projects and how they’re going. Talk some shop. Maybe he’ll get more comfortable and start producing. Maybe he’ll figure out that this isn’t the place for him. But there’s a hell of a lot better chance of a happy ending for all if you try this approach instead of “I’ll just ask him what’s up on FaceChat every day until he breaks down and cries” - man, aren’t you so ALPHA.[/quote]
Thats great advice…for someone who is trying to be a condescending prick.
“how is everything”
“can I help you”
“how are your projects coming along”
[/quote]
It’s not being a condescending prick. It’s being a good co-worker. This is how it works in offices with happy employees - people help each other out, talk to one another about their projects, share tips and tricks that they’ve learned to make each other’s lives easier. A lot of good comes from those little conversations, and once in awhile it could be a really big breakthrough. Just because you are an impossibly arrogant SOB who would perceive genuinely helpful conversation as someone being a “condescending prick” doesn’t mean everyone else would. Maybe you should talk to your manager who’s such a fucking genius at managing, and ask if he thinks it’s a good idea for employees to talk to each other about their projects and help each other out.[/quote]
I noticed jimmy need to do something for one of his projects and i said “hey i can show you how to do this, i just learned how” and he said “yea sure”. Im goig to see of i can squeeze it in today and show him.
Because it was a specific enough situation and i knew he wpuld like to be able to do what i will show him.
This is a little different than just casaully checking up on him in a vague manner once a day…dont you think?[/quote]
Yes, that’s a very good example of what I’m talking about. I didn’t say you had to babysit him and ask him every single day. But every couple of days, you could take a minute and go grab a cup of coffee with him, or eat lunch at the same time, and offer up a story or two about what you’re working on / what you’ve learned recently / ask a question about his most interesting current project / ask a question about his most difficult current project / etc. See, here are some examples?
“Hey man, just finished something up, before I get started on my next project, do you want to grab a cup of coffee from the break room?”
“Sure, I’d love that, this is killing me”
“Hey, want to eat lunch with me around noon today? Working here can be pretty intense, it’s good to take a break for a few minutes and talk shop.”
“Hey, want to take a couple minutes every Friday morning to talk about our ongoing projects? We might be running into some of the same challenges, maybe a regular idea swap would help us both out.”
I mean, this shit is common sense. You’ve been bragging on here about how socially adept you are for an engineer, and somehow you need the basics of Human Interaction 101 spelled out for you. You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
The above stuff has been enormously helpful to me. Most of my major breakthroughs come because I have to figure something out on the fly, but a decent minority come just from talking to others in my field and hearing how they approach problems. It’s one of the reasons why professional meetings, although they’re often a big money-making racket, are so valuable. I might learn something there that cuts my time finishing certain projects in half or better. Within the office, there are fairly few people who can do what I do, but I make it a point to talk regularly to those that do because there’s always a chance one of us has just figured out a new programming trick or analytic approach.
Put that stuff in your time log, too (I do the same thing you mentioned earlier re: keeping a detailed time log of how much time I spend doing certain tasks on each project). It will give you some examples to cite when you’re getting reviewed of how you’ve gone above and beyond your normal duties on projects to help out a co-worker. That’s the sort of shit that screams “management potential” and will get you further up the ladder. Having those concrete examples ready to hand of the time you taught Jimmy to do this, or when you helped Jimmy figure out that, or even something like “I decided that we should meet for 15 minutes every Friday morning to discuss our most difficult current projects” - all of that stuff is great.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
One other thing I thought of just now while I was in the gym, wish I’d mentioned it in my first post:
OP, one of your original ideas was that you’d passive-aggressively shame your co-worker and make him as uncomfortable as possible. Does that sound like a good leader to you? If you were evaluating someone for management potential, is that what you’d want to see?
How about this novel idea: instead of being the office shithead who hopes to fuck with anyone he doesn’t like until they quit, how about you be a decent leader. If you want to be a manager someday, this is what you’ll have to do, so start getting some practice. Ask the guy how he’s settling in, if there’s anything you can help him with, if he needs any programming or technical help. Engage him in a discussion about his current projects and how they’re going. Talk some shop. Maybe he’ll get more comfortable and start producing. Maybe he’ll figure out that this isn’t the place for him. But there’s a hell of a lot better chance of a happy ending for all if you try this approach instead of “I’ll just ask him what’s up on FaceChat every day until he breaks down and cries” - man, aren’t you so ALPHA.[/quote]
Thats great advice…for someone who is trying to be a condescending prick.
“how is everything”
“can I help you”
“how are your projects coming along”
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It’s not being a condescending prick. It’s being a good co-worker. This is how it works in offices with happy employees - people help each other out, talk to one another about their projects, share tips and tricks that they’ve learned to make each other’s lives easier. A lot of good comes from those little conversations, and once in awhile it could be a really big breakthrough. Just because you are an impossibly arrogant SOB who would perceive genuinely helpful conversation as someone being a “condescending prick” doesn’t mean everyone else would. Maybe you should talk to your manager who’s such a fucking genius at managing, and ask if he thinks it’s a good idea for employees to talk to each other about their projects and help each other out.[/quote]
I noticed jimmy need to do something for one of his projects and i said “hey i can show you how to do this, i just learned how” and he said “yea sure”. Im goig to see of i can squeeze it in today and show him.
Because it was a specific enough situation and i knew he wpuld like to be able to do what i will show him.
This is a little different than just casaully checking up on him in a vague manner once a day…dont you think?[/quote]
Yes, that’s a very good example of what I’m talking about. I didn’t say you had to babysit him and ask him every single day. But every couple of days, you could take a minute and go grab a cup of coffee with him, or eat lunch at the same time, and offer up a story or two about what you’re working on / what you’ve learned recently / ask a question about his most interesting current project / ask a question about his most difficult current project / etc. See, here are some examples?
“Hey man, just finished something up, before I get started on my next project, do you want to grab a cup of coffee from the break room?”
“Sure, I’d love that, this is killing me”
“Hey, want to eat lunch with me around noon today? Working here can be pretty intense, it’s good to take a break for a few minutes and talk shop.”
“Hey, want to take a couple minutes every Friday morning to talk about our ongoing projects? We might be running into some of the same challenges, maybe a regular idea swap would help us both out.”
I mean, this shit is common sense. You’ve been bragging on here about how socially adept you are for an engineer, and somehow you need the basics of Human Interaction 101 spelled out for you. You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
The above stuff has been enormously helpful to me. Most of my major breakthroughs come because I have to figure something out on the fly, but a decent minority come just from talking to others in my field and hearing how they approach problems. It’s one of the reasons why professional meetings, although they’re often a big money-making racket, are so valuable. I might learn something there that cuts my time finishing certain projects in half or better. Within the office, there are fairly few people who can do what I do, but I make it a point to talk regularly to those that do because there’s always a chance one of us has just figured out a new programming trick or analytic approach.
Put that stuff in your time log, too (I do the same thing you mentioned earlier re: keeping a detailed time log of how much time I spend doing certain tasks on each project). It will give you some examples to cite when you’re getting reviewed of how you’ve gone above and beyond your normal duties on projects to help out a co-worker. That’s the sort of shit that screams “management potential” and will get you further up the ladder. Having those concrete examples ready to hand of the time you taught Jimmy to do this, or when you helped Jimmy figure out that, or even something like “I decided that we should meet for 15 minutes every Friday morning to discuss our most difficult current projects” - all of that stuff is great.[/quote]
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This guy isn’t an engineer. I read through the thread and he didn’t know who Gauss was. If you’re an engineer and you don’t know who gauss is…well, lets just say you should find another profession. Then again, the doctor who graduated with the lowest GPA is still called “doctor”.