Skipping Breakfast is the Way to Go? WTF

Nutrition
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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Seriously? There’s a kid right here asking if he’s been “doing it wrong”…

My point is that people tend to polarize towards the latest thing, as if that is the only valid approach now that the “secret” has been revealed.

Not just in this thread, but you see it all the time, all over this site. [/quote]

I may have misinterpreted your post then. I was referring to people who are experienced with eating this way. Of course newbies are going to jump on every “new” idea that comes out, but that is to be expected…I’m almost embarrassed to admit to some of the shit I bought into when I first started training, haha.

[quote]Dave Rogerson wrote:
A little context is required.

Why do we assume that things are black and white and that one method is better than another? Look, if you are someone who needs to ingest something like 4 - 5,000 kcalories a day, then spacing such a large intake out over multiple smaller meals is going to be much more manageable than several larger feedings. Which will likely necessitate breakfast. If you are into the research, it does suggest that smaller, frequent feedings increase appetite between meals, so we can see why in this case it could be appropriate.

If you only need 2,000 - 3,000 kcalories per day then a less frequent eating schedule maybe more appropriate for your appetite regulation and goals. Now if you do go over 16 hours without eating, as long as total intake is appropriate ( I define this as macronutrition and total energy intake), then you will be fine.

Yes this is an individual thing, but equally, meal to meal appetite regulation is adjustable.

Meal frequency isn’t really important, the main thing is to ensure that your intake is adjusted to your goals. Yes there are benefits to extended periods inbetween meals (and some research does suggest that you could eat too frequently, from a protein synthesis perspective), but if this prevents you from getting sufficient nutrients, then maybe it isn’t appropriate for you. [/quote]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Seriously? There’s a kid right here asking if he’s been “doing it wrong”…

My point is that people tend to polarize towards the latest thing, as if that is the only valid approach now that the “secret” has been revealed.

Not just in this thread, but you see it all the time, all over this site. [/quote]

I may have misinterpreted your post then. I was referring to people who are experienced with eating this way. Of course newbies are going to jump on every “new” idea that comes out, but that is to be expected…I’m almost embarrassed to admit to some of the shit I bought into when I first started training, haha.

[quote]Dave Rogerson wrote:
A little context is required.

Why do we assume that things are black and white and that one method is better than another? Look, if you are someone who needs to ingest something like 4 - 5,000 kcalories a day, then spacing such a large intake out over multiple smaller meals is going to be much more manageable than several larger feedings. Which will likely necessitate breakfast. If you are into the research, it does suggest that smaller, frequent feedings increase appetite between meals, so we can see why in this case it could be appropriate.

If you only need 2,000 - 3,000 kcalories per day then a less frequent eating schedule maybe more appropriate for your appetite regulation and goals. Now if you do go over 16 hours without eating, as long as total intake is appropriate ( I define this as macronutrition and total energy intake), then you will be fine.

Yes this is an individual thing, but equally, meal to meal appetite regulation is adjustable.

Meal frequency isn’t really important, the main thing is to ensure that your intake is adjusted to your goals. Yes there are benefits to extended periods inbetween meals (and some research does suggest that you could eat too frequently, from a protein synthesis perspective), but if this prevents you from getting sufficient nutrients, then maybe it isn’t appropriate for you. [/quote]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.[/quote]

X3, how was this not understood from the beginning?

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Seriously X? you fat bastard, youre going to come in here lecturing about nutrition? get ahold of yourself and your nutrition. god youre fat. fatty.

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
This is going to turn into a “don’t fuck with my breakfast” thread.

This should have been posted in the IF or Carb-Back Loading thread. You’ve been here for 2 and a half years, not cool OP.[/quote]

[quote]Dave Rogerson wrote:
A little context is required.

Why do we assume that things are black and white and that one method is better than another? Look, if you are someone who needs to ingest something like 4 - 5,000 kcalories a day, then spacing such a large intake out over multiple smaller meals is going to be much more manageable than several larger feedings. Which will likely necessitate breakfast. If you are into the research, it does suggest that smaller, frequent feedings increase appetite between meals, so we can see why in this case it could be appropriate.

If you only need 2,000 - 3,000 kcalories per day then a less frequent eating schedule maybe more appropriate for your appetite regulation and goals. Now if you do go over 16 hours without eating, as long as total intake is appropriate ( I define this as macronutrition and total energy intake), then you will be fine.

Yes this is an individual thing, but equally, meal to meal appetite regulation is adjustable.

Meal frequency isn’t really important, the main thing is to ensure that your intake is adjusted to your goals. Yes there are benefits to extended periods inbetween meals (and some research does suggest that you could eat too frequently, from a protein synthesis perspective), but if this prevents you from getting sufficient nutrients, then maybe it isn’t appropriate for you. [/quote]

call it a draw, two winners

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A great response by one of the readers:

Time out. After looking at the references, I have to question the intellectual honesty of this article:

â??So what happened when researchers studied two groups, one that ate most of their calories in the beginning of the day, to simulate the no-eating-after-seven routine, and the other that skipped breakfast and ate most of their meals in the latter half of the day? Damn if I shouldnâ??t be embarrassed: the group that ate most of their calories early in the day, including a big breakfast, lost more weight than the other group 65.â??

For which the reference study is:

â??65. School breakfast improves verbal fluency in undernourished Jamaican childrenâ??

Assuming that you didnâ??t accidentally cite the wrong studyâ?¦. WTF?! SERIOUSLY?!?
And on top of that the next paragraph which supposedly vindicates the previous:

â??Hold on: thereâ??s more to this story. The researchers also looked at body composition before and after. The morning group lost more weight but lost a lot more muscle and a lot less fat. The night group lost almost exclusively fat and preserved muscle65-69.â??

â?¦Is just linked to more cognitive studies of school children who do or donâ??t skip breakfast, not a singe one of which even claims to be a weight loss study, let alone studying lean, experienced athletes in a controlled environment (i.e. not applicable whatsoever). And whatâ??s sadder is that those studies are basically supposed to be the â??proofâ?? of the entire premise of the article. Weak sauce.

â??Who knew, maybe there is something to this science stuff after all?â?? ,indeed.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
A great response by one of the readers:

Time out. After looking at the references, I have to question the intellectual honesty of this article:

â??So what happened when researchers studied two groups, one that ate most of their calories in the beginning of the day, to simulate the no-eating-after-seven routine, and the other that skipped breakfast and ate most of their meals in the latter half of the day? Damn if I shouldnâ??t be embarrassed: the group that ate most of their calories early in the day, including a big breakfast, lost more weight than the other group 65.â??

For which the reference study is:

â??65. School breakfast improves verbal fluency in undernourished Jamaican childrenâ??

Assuming that you didnâ??t accidentally cite the wrong studyâ?¦. WTF?! SERIOUSLY?!?
And on top of that the next paragraph which supposedly vindicates the previous:

â??Hold on: thereâ??s more to this story. The researchers also looked at body composition before and after. The morning group lost more weight but lost a lot more muscle and a lot less fat. The night group lost almost exclusively fat and preserved muscle65-69.â??

â?¦Is just linked to more cognitive studies of school children who do or donâ??t skip breakfast, not a singe one of which even claims to be a weight loss study, let alone studying lean, experienced athletes in a controlled environment (i.e. not applicable whatsoever). And whatâ??s sadder is that those studies are basically supposed to be the â??proofâ?? of the entire premise of the article. Weak sauce.

â??Who knew, maybe there is something to this science stuff after all?â?? ,indeed.
[/quote]

FAIL. Next time read all the comments.

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whoa whoa hold the phone
everyone needs to eat breakfast…i even found an article
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/powerlifting-articles/how-to-get-huge-at-breakfast-time/

Tired of being small, weak, and not awesome? I bet you are! It just so happens that Iâ??m here to help. Iâ??m sure that all of you know that you need to eat big to get big right? Of course you do. Everyone knows that. That fact is almost as well known as the fact that box squatting makes you awful. You should also know that you need to eat breakfast every day.
MEAL 1

What you need:

* Dozen eggs.
* Loaf of bread. Bonus points for white bread.
* 8 CHOCOLATE Eggo waffles. The Chocolate is vital.
* Jar of peanut butter.
* Real maple syrup. No idea how much really. Just get a lot.
* Shit ton of butter. This is also vital. None of that silly PAM spray.
* Big ass pan.
* Cookie cutter circles are best. No Christmas trees.
* Gallon of WHOLE milk.
* 9 x 12 cake pan, or whatever size they are.
* Small orange.

What to do:

You should be drinking the milk the entire time youâ??re cooking. Drink a bunch, but not so much as to make yourself sick. Fire up the stove and throw a bunch of butter into the pan. The more the better. Make sure to let it all melt. Try to get a half inch of butter in the bottom of the pan. Like a lake of awesome. Take the rocks glass and cut holes in the center of 12 pieces of bread. Throw as many of them in the pan as will fit. Crack the eggs and put the whole egg in the hole you cut in the bread. Let it sit until the eggs are cooked. Take them out and eat them while you wait on the rest to cook. Also, youâ??re going to take the waffles and throw them in the toaster. Cover BOTH sides with butter after theyâ??re done. Then cover the inside with peanut butter. How much is up to you, but with the waffles, each sandwich should be at least two inches thick minimum. Repeat this process for all eight waffles. Throw them in the cake pan, and pour the left over butter from the pan over the waffles. Cover the whole mess with syrup. You should also be washing them down with syrup left over, as well as the rest of the milk. Peel the orange. Eat it. Everyone knows that fruits and vegetables are vital to good health!
Nutrition Breakdown

Calories: A bunch. Got to have calories to grow though, right?

Protein: Lots. Donâ??t want to get catabolic!

Carbs: Three pounds. Insulin is Anabolic!

Fat: Donâ??t worry about fats. Thatâ??s what your brain is made from!

Hopefully this gives you an idea what it takes to be big and strong, and by extension of those, awesome. Now you just have to get after it.

Alright everyone start eating breakfast again

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[quote]willsee wrote:
whoa whoa hold the phone
everyone needs to eat breakfast…i even found an article
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/powerlifting-articles/how-to-get-huge-at-breakfast-time/

Tired of being small, weak, and not awesome? I bet you are! It just so happens that Iâ??m here to help. Iâ??m sure that all of you know that you need to eat big to get big right? Of course you do. Everyone knows that. That fact is almost as well known as the fact that box squatting makes you awful. You should also know that you need to eat breakfast every day.
MEAL 1

What you need:

* Dozen eggs.
* Loaf of bread. Bonus points for white bread.
* 8 CHOCOLATE Eggo waffles. The Chocolate is vital.
* Jar of peanut butter.
* Real maple syrup. No idea how much really. Just get a lot.
* Shit ton of butter. This is also vital. None of that silly PAM spray.
* Big ass pan.
* Cookie cutter circles are best. No Christmas trees.
* Gallon of WHOLE milk.
* 9 x 12 cake pan, or whatever size they are.
* Small orange.

What to do:

You should be drinking the milk the entire time youâ??re cooking. Drink a bunch, but not so much as to make yourself sick. Fire up the stove and throw a bunch of butter into the pan. The more the better. Make sure to let it all melt. Try to get a half inch of butter in the bottom of the pan. Like a lake of awesome. Take the rocks glass and cut holes in the center of 12 pieces of bread. Throw as many of them in the pan as will fit. Crack the eggs and put the whole egg in the hole you cut in the bread. Let it sit until the eggs are cooked. Take them out and eat them while you wait on the rest to cook. Also, youâ??re going to take the waffles and throw them in the toaster. Cover BOTH sides with butter after theyâ??re done. Then cover the inside with peanut butter. How much is up to you, but with the waffles, each sandwich should be at least two inches thick minimum. Repeat this process for all eight waffles. Throw them in the cake pan, and pour the left over butter from the pan over the waffles. Cover the whole mess with syrup. You should also be washing them down with syrup left over, as well as the rest of the milk. Peel the orange. Eat it. Everyone knows that fruits and vegetables are vital to good health!
Nutrition Breakdown

Calories: A bunch. Got to have calories to grow though, right?

Protein: Lots. Donâ??t want to get catabolic!

Carbs: Three pounds. Insulin is Anabolic!

Fat: Donâ??t worry about fats. Thatâ??s what your brain is made from!

Hopefully this gives you an idea what it takes to be big and strong, and by extension of those, awesome. Now you just have to get after it.

Alright everyone start eating breakfast again[/quote]

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast.

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[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Good for him. Pics of your progress?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Yes I thought so, glad you agree, he seems to be a promising powerlifter.

The same guy (Keifer) is also working with Brian Carroll at the moment…you know, one of those “elite fuckers” (that’s what she said…da da boom!) that “stands out”.

Bit early yet.

Maybe you could call out someone who’s been doing the protocol for an appreciable amount of time?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Good for him. Pics of your progress?[/quote]

Dude, if that’s him in his avatar (and I’m guessing it is) he looks pretty bricked.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Good for him. Pics of your progress?[/quote]

Dude, if that’s him in his avatar (and I’m guessing it is) he looks pretty bricked. [/quote]

As do you, sir.

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Mostly this has been a good thread. Very informative. My schedule only permits me to workout in the AM. Very early AM. I get up at 4:00am and start lifting at 4:30. Then at 5:45am ish i have a post workout shake and get ready for work. In bed for this at 9:00pm. Anybody still make a sucessfull go of this with am lifting? Stronghold, you seem to be pretty up on it, what do you think?

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
As do you, sir.
[/quote]

Ah…thank you.

Well, you don’t win 6 Olympias by slacking! ; )

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Good for him. Pics of your progress?[/quote]

Dude, if that’s him in his avatar (and I’m guessing it is) he looks pretty bricked. [/quote]

Squirrel has been missing his nuts in the morning (thats also what she said…ba ba boom!). :slight_smile:

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

Funny you should quote this article as the author of it is currently working with Keifer doing carb backloading and…you guessed it…skipping breakfast. [/quote]

Good for him. Pics of your progress?[/quote]

Dude, if that’s him in his avatar (and I’m guessing it is) he looks pretty bricked. [/quote]

As do you, sir.
[/quote]

You look like wings.

Mmmmmmmm…wiiiiiiiingssssssss…tasty wingsssssss…

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[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

he is fat… how can you possibly deny it, if you can’t tell by his pics then consider that he’s like what over 260-270 sub 300, with the lifting numbers of someone way smaller. His attitude suggests he thinks he is the next Kai Greene or some shit…all of you hug nut like crazy, I’m not saying he doesn’t have more experience than me, he’s been lifting since I was 5 years old, but a fat guy is a fat guy, end of story. I said gimme a couple days on pics etc, i have no camera yet, but they’ll be here…besides my original retort to him calling me small, wasn’t even saying how freakin jacked I am, but really how can some fat guy call me small, no shit i’m not that heavy, im also not a baby beluga whale.

[/quote]

So, how about those pics?

I noticed you kind of backpedaling (see the bold above) about how “jacked you are” and a “fat guy calling you small” - seems like you’re setting up to show us something much less impressive than what you’ve been claiming. But, of course I’m always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, so if X is a whale at 280, then I’m expecting to see at least an NPC quality physique at a lean (stage ready) 235 or so…maybe even 250.

Looking forward to seeing your progress. : )

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Dude - c’mon. This is about to drop off the front page.

You’re not going to disappoint us now, are you? You talked a LOT of shit. Now it’s time to put up…

Seriously, I’m just so disillusioned with this place - I thought for sure you’d be the one guy out of the thousands that talk ridiculous shit and never back it up to actually put up pics that blow X’s physique away, and this is how you repay me?

I believed in you man…

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This is where the thread drops off -lol

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