[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
When I started training in 1985 we certainly had differences around the edges, but bodybuilders and powerlifters/strength athletes still had much in common. IMO…the best of them still do. We frequently trained together…challenging eachother in heavy work one session and repfests the next. It worked toward everyones advantage. Plenty of bodybuilders specialize in heavy work. Most powerlifters understand the importance of volume and rep. work. Look into some Westside RP and tell me they haven’t taken hypertrophy into consideration. You get size and density by busting your ass, over and over again. Taking yourself to deep, dark, lonely, painful places. Outside of eating properly, and getting adequate rest, your genetics are going to determine the majority of your results. Make peace with them early. [/quote]
If I were to hazard a guess I would say bodybuilders have many more capillaries in the muscle while powerlifters have bigger cross sections in thier muscle fibers. Once you reach the top of the mountain, near you genetic limit so to speak, your training over the past ~3 months or so will effect which side of the pendulum your body swings a little more towards.
Of course the goal is to have both developed to their furthest possible limit but accomplishing that with one training protocol is most likely impossible. The only other factor to muscle growth would be the nervous system you developed from your training history. It anyone’s guess on how to best develop that.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
@ zraw would you incline that the denser look comes from pushing to failure?
Thanks, all the best![/quote]
Yes
Dorian Yates was known to train to failure and actually past failure - dense as fuck
Idiotic weight throwing everywhere Branch Warren, to failure cause nothing else looks hardcore badass - Fucking dense
DC guy Dusty Hanshaw… DC = to failure… - Dense
Phil heath (i love him), I’m not next to him when he’s working out but judging from videos he doesnt train to failure - not dense
Arnold, pump training - not dense
Serge Nubret - not dense
etc etc[/quote]
I don’t think examples of aas users is the best way to set as precedence. Who knows what the hell any off those guys are on and the effects of said substances on their physiology
[quote]BHappy wrote:
@ zraw would you incline that the denser look comes from pushing to failure?
Thanks, all the best![/quote]
Yes
Dorian Yates was known to train to failure and actually past failure - dense as fuck
Idiotic weight throwing everywhere Branch Warren, to failure cause nothing else looks hardcore badass - Fucking dense
DC guy Dusty Hanshaw… DC = to failure… - Dense
Phil heath (i love him), I’m not next to him when he’s working out but judging from videos he doesnt train to failure - not dense
Arnold, pump training - not dense
Serge Nubret - not dense
etc etc[/quote]
also, DC training is low volume and high intensity (heavy weights + rest pause + failure)… think it’s more related to the volume than training to failure
heavy weight low volume = dense
light weight high volume = size
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
When I started training in 1985 we certainly had differences around the edges, but bodybuilders and powerlifters/strength athletes still had much in common. IMO…the best of them still do. We frequently trained together…challenging eachother in heavy work one session and repfests the next. It worked toward everyones advantage. Plenty of bodybuilders specialize in heavy work. Most powerlifters understand the importance of volume and rep. work. Look into some Westside RP and tell me they haven’t taken hypertrophy into consideration. You get size and density by busting your ass, over and over again. Taking yourself to deep, dark, lonely, painful places. Outside of eating properly, and getting adequate rest, your genetics are going to determine the majority of your results. Make peace with them early. [/quote]
I agree with this guy.
I have always considered training to failure, and beyond with the aid of ‘intensification techniques’ to be fundamental.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
@ zraw would you incline that the denser look comes from pushing to failure?
Thanks, all the best![/quote]
Yes
Dorian Yates was known to train to failure and actually past failure - dense as fuck
Idiotic weight throwing everywhere Branch Warren, to failure cause nothing else looks hardcore badass - Fucking dense
DC guy Dusty Hanshaw… DC = to failure… - Dense
Phil heath (i love him), I’m not next to him when he’s working out but judging from videos he doesnt train to failure - not dense
Arnold, pump training - not dense
Serge Nubret - not dense
etc etc[/quote]
Every time I’ve seen a video of Arnold training he’s making some ugly ass faces from going to failure. Arnold’s book outlines intensification techniques (drop sets, negatives, supersets) which would one way or another lead you to failure.
[quote]BHappy wrote:
@ zraw would you incline that the denser look comes from pushing to failure?
Thanks, all the best![/quote]
Yes
Dorian Yates was known to train to failure and actually past failure - dense as fuck
Idiotic weight throwing everywhere Branch Warren, to failure cause nothing else looks hardcore badass - Fucking dense
DC guy Dusty Hanshaw… DC = to failure… - Dense
Phil heath (i love him), I’m not next to him when he’s working out but judging from videos he doesnt train to failure - not dense
Arnold, pump training - not dense
Serge Nubret - not dense
etc etc[/quote]
Wat… Those are like 2 totally different times in terms of BB. its a known fact that Guys today are at a lower BF then guys that competed in Arnold’s day.