[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I’d been reading earlier in another thread about wall squats. I was saying to BB that I didn’t see what it would do for squats unless you’re wide. I don’t buy it for narrowe(er) squatters. [/quote]
So interesting. I said the same thing on some thread on the PL forum and got slammed and talked to like I am a fucking idiot. People are so rude.[/quote]
That’s the one I was referring to. I was going to jump in but then thought, why bother hijacking the guys thread. I think sometimes things are repeated as gospel without a whole lot of thought being put behind them.
For instance, I’m constantly reading to squat by breaking at the hips first. I squat by shooting out my knees first and dropping into the hole. If I lead with my hips, I have a propensity to good morning. It seems like leading with the hips works best if you squat wide. I’ve experimented a fair bit. I’ve yet to get an answer as to why you lead with the hips. I don’t mean an adequate answer; I mean any at all. That tells me that not many people really know why. That’s just what they’ve been told and will repeat it ad nauseum. That’s why I didn’t bother jumping in with ‘wall squat’ guy. He just knows what he knows.
It does seem that wall squats are the latest thing despite the fact that they’ve been around for a while. It’s not a cure all, just something to try.[/quote]
I totally agree with you two ladies. What annoyed me most was the fact that he implied that if you squatted narrow you weren’t a powerlifter and should piss off over to the OL forum. As if there was only one correct way to squat (wide). All a wall squat teaches you is how to sit back and I think a box squat does the same thing better and I think neither are worthwhile for a narrow squatter.
I too resisted posting because I didn’t want to get involved in another internet argument. It’s a shame that this seems to be happening more and more on all the forums (except the over35 and PW). There’s even one going on on the OL forum now!
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I’d been reading earlier in another thread about wall squats. I was saying to BB that I didn’t see what it would do for squats unless you’re wide. I don’t buy it for narrowe(er) squatters. [/quote]
So interesting. I said the same thing on some thread on the PL forum and got slammed and talked to like I am a fucking idiot. People are so rude.[/quote]
That’s the one I was referring to. I was going to jump in but then thought, why bother hijacking the guys thread. I think sometimes things are repeated as gospel without a whole lot of thought being put behind them.
For instance, I’m constantly reading to squat by breaking at the hips first. I squat by shooting out my knees first and dropping into the hole. If I lead with my hips, I have a propensity to good morning. It seems like leading with the hips works best if you squat wide. I’ve experimented a fair bit. I’ve yet to get an answer as to why you lead with the hips. I don’t mean an adequate answer; I mean any at all. That tells me that not many people really know why. That’s just what they’ve been told and will repeat it ad nauseum. That’s why I didn’t bother jumping in with ‘wall squat’ guy. He just knows what he knows.
It does seem that wall squats are the latest thing despite the fact that they’ve been around for a while. It’s not a cure all, just something to try.[/quote]
I think the main reason people suggest breaking at the hips first is to prevent the knees from shooting forward first. If the knees shoot forward, you (likely) won’t squat big numbers. They "k"need to shoot out.
Although I would say that its predominantly stated with a presumption that the stance is wide so the force/weight go “out” and the feet/shins/knees stay pretty quiet throughout.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I’d been reading earlier in another thread about wall squats. I was saying to BB that I didn’t see what it would do for squats unless you’re wide. I don’t buy it for narrowe(er) squatters. [/quote]
So interesting. I said the same thing on some thread on the PL forum and got slammed and talked to like I am a fucking idiot. People are so rude.[/quote]
That’s the one I was referring to. I was going to jump in but then thought, why bother hijacking the guys thread. I think sometimes things are repeated as gospel without a whole lot of thought being put behind them.
For instance, I’m constantly reading to squat by breaking at the hips first. I squat by shooting out my knees first and dropping into the hole. If I lead with my hips, I have a propensity to good morning. It seems like leading with the hips works best if you squat wide. I’ve experimented a fair bit. I’ve yet to get an answer as to why you lead with the hips. I don’t mean an adequate answer; I mean any at all. That tells me that not many people really know why. That’s just what they’ve been told and will repeat it ad nauseum. That’s why I didn’t bother jumping in with ‘wall squat’ guy. He just knows what he knows.
It does seem that wall squats are the latest thing despite the fact that they’ve been around for a while. It’s not a cure all, just something to try.[/quote]
I think the main reason people suggest breaking at the hips first is to prevent the knees from shooting forward first. If the knees shoot forward, you (likely) won’t squat big numbers. They "k"need to shoot out.
Although I would say that its predominantly stated with a presumption that the stance is wide so the force/weight go “out” and the feet/shins/knees stay pretty quiet throughout.
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You do have a way with words. I don’t think most people could actually articulate this to tell you why you would lead with the hips. The other day when we did wide stance I definately led with my hips and see the advantages. However, many people take it as a ‘one-size fits all’ piece of advice.
Now I’ve invented my own iteration; wall pulls. I just put quarters on the bar and rolled it right against the wall and put my shins against the bar. Basically, I pulled so that the bar rolled up the wall. It completely takes the back out of it and forces your butt and hips to work. First of all, to get down the the bar staying that upright when there are only quarters on is a feat. I think I took a bit of skin off my face. I bet Ksnap could do it no problem with her hip flexibility.
I seem to always get myself in trouble when I stray outside the O35 or PW compounds. You’d think I would learn. I must commend everyone for the tremendous civility on this forum. We are always supportive of each other’s efforts and can disagree respectfully.
I think the bottom line is that different things work for different people. Most of us on this forum have enough life experience to know that the world is not black or white. I think you, O, are a bit of an exception with the breaking at the knees on your squat. But you squat HUGE weight with that form, so it obviously works for you.
And I totally agree with Brett that box squats are a better way to train someone to sit back rather than having them slide their face down a wall. That skill doesn’t seem all that transferable to me. But it must work for some!
I’ll second Snapper’s comment on civility. If I had encountered the flaming other forums use, I would have left long ago.
I gave wall squats a try with a broomstick and didn’t see what it could do for me. The box squatting seems much more useful.
On the point of no single style being perfect: considering the comments I’e been getting on my squatting, perhaps a note on what styles of squatting may be different between people and which styles are not permissable for anyone.
[quote]cavalier wrote:
I’ll second Snapper’s comment on civility. If I had encountered the flaming other forums use, I would have left long ago.
I gave wall squats a try with a broomstick and didn’t see what it could do for me. The box squatting seems much more useful.
On the point of no single style being perfect: considering the comments I’e been getting on my squatting, perhaps a note on what styles of squatting may be different between people and which styles are not permissable for anyone.[/quote]
I’ll give you that one. I’ve been the proud possessor of some ugly squats myself.
I think it is great how different things work for different people. Life would be pretty boring if everyone was the same. This is my second sign up because some responses to the first one scared me away. I’m glad I came back because there is a great bunch of people here.
I find it interesting to try and sort out the ‘because this is how it is done’ from ‘and this is why it is done that way’, too. Really interesting to see breaking at the knees works for you. Good idea with the belt on the zerchers.
Eric Cressey uses wall squats as an assesment tool- so does poliquin
go figure.
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I don’t think they’re bad and I could see how they would make a great assessment tool. I was just pointing out that it seems like one of the recent things that people are blindly suggesting without really knowing why or if they think they know why, whether it is an appropriate solution to the proposed issue.
I tried them and wasn’t sure what they would do for my squats but think they may help with something I’m trying to change on my deadlift.
I find the younger crowd tends to be a bit more dogmatic in their approach to life not just lifting. I once had a very interesting discussion with my teenage daughter about whether the bible was the uninterpreted word of God versus a moral and social narrative that has evolved over time. Guess which was her point of view
when I checked my squats before and after spending a few months on the wall squat exercises I realized I was sitting back more and my knees weren’t shooting over my feet as much. I don’t think my stance is that wide but I’ll try a different vid angle next time to get an idea.
Things have been a bit quiet as I’ve been busy wall squatting.
Seriously though, still training. Things have been going pretty well. I squatted in suit bottoms on Thursday using my old suit and had good results. I worked up to a triple at 305 with wraps and bottoms.
It looked like this
bar-10
115-5
155-3
195-1
235- 3 suit bottoms
255-3 "
275-3 "
295 -2x3 bottoms/wraps
305 - 3 "
315- 1.5 A double was close but the bar shifted on my back and that was that.
There was a bit of light bench
Good mornings up to a triple at 195
I was pleased enough with how the squats felt that I decided to enter the Toronto Invitational meet mid June. It’s like a Canadian version of the Arnold at the convention centre. I was reluctant at first because I was still worn out from nationals. The day before is classic (raw). My hips cry just thinking about that. We’ve had a big push towards raw lifting and quite a few CPU sanctioned meets have been set up so hopefully they get the support they were hoping for.
I’m focusing on strengthening my hips and really forcing my feet out. I’ve also discovered that if I pull my chin in and roll my shoulders forward and down, I get about and extra inch.
We then did extra wide squats to pins above parallel as an assistance for DL.
135-3
225-3
275-3
325-2
275-1 (my wrist said fuck off)
CG Bench to boards
95-5
105-5
135-0 I got pinned and BB took his time teabagging me and fogging up my glasses with his sack pulling the bar off me.
115-2x5
